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I came across this website today for One-on-One Safaris. If you visit their website: http://www.oneononesafaris.com/, you can see they have a picture of a live Mountain Nyala on the homepage, but the operation is based in South Africa and has absolutely nothing to do with Ethiopia. I guess the web designer just figured it's all the same. Roll Eyes Anyways, I thought some of you might get a kick out of that.


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You're right about whoops...... that looks like a Tragalaphus Angasaii to me, otherwise known as the common nyala which does occur in SA..... Smiler Wink Smiler






 
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steve,

I can't tell if you're joking or not. bewildered I am by no means an expert on Africa, but I am absolutely 100% sure that is NOT a Southern Nyala. It is definitely a Mountain Nyala.


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No bwana, I'm not joking...... what makes you think it's a mountain nyala? Looks like a common nyala to me, albeit a very big one......






 
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Looks like a mountain nyala to me.....
 
Posts: 85 | Location: Limpopo, RSA | Registered: 04 September 2004Reply With Quote
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Look at the legs. Orange legs means it is a Southern Nyala. Big one, but a Southern none the less. Also, note the mane. Mtn Nyala are not that hairy.

Sorry, but the whoops is on you, not the web site.

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That is a Mountain Nyala (Tragelaphus buxtoni) and the photo is taken around the park hq in Dinsho Ethiopia. 100% sure! (I haven't taken the photo, but personally recognize the bull...)

BTW, I should perhaps introduce myself; I'm a swede and have spent about 6 months in Ethiopia the last two autumns. I've done internship as a biologist and have therefore spent quite some time in Bale, where I conducted baseline surveys on behalf of the NP, Ethiopian wolf conservation programme and Frankfurt Zoological Society.

I've lurked around on this forum for years and got helpful info when I booked my first (and so far only) hunt in Africa (Namibia with Vaughan Fulton).


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Now hold on a minute guys, according to ol' Ray:
"A lot of the real experts are afraid to post here and most all the gun writers stear clear."
So, unless you fall into one of these categories you guys shouldn't know what you are talking about!!!!
I for one, come here just to lean from anyone.
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It is not the best of photos to use for identification. The front legs got white at the back, a big white blotch below the chin and the horns are bent towards the back, it all points to a Mountain Njala. I miss the white on the front part of the hind leg, which points towards a Southern Njala. The rest of the coat is also not long enough for a S Njala with such long horns.


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I didnt think Regular Nyala had the curl in the horns that the Mountain Nyala has.

This one looks like A Mtn Nyala to me, (judging by a number of photos of both types I've looked up) but then given that I haven't seen either in the flesh...

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Note no ventral mane - must be a Mountain Nyala.
 
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Well we have the SA view. How bought we see what Ethiopia has to add. Mr. Elliot?


Also, while we wait perhaps the SA crowd could focus on the flora. Maybe the evidence is there.
 
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Nyala
Mountain Nyala


Throat patch on the Mountain Nyala, among other things.


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The horn bases don't look thick enough for a mountain nyala to me..... but I'm only basing that statement of photos I've seen of MN..... Also I fail to see why a SA outfitter would put what is an alien species to his area on his website? ......The fact it's such a lousy picture makes it even more difficult to be sure.

Jerry,

That's an adolescent common nyala you've posted there, the real big boys have tips that turn out.......






 
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Jaco 1, Shakari 0, so far.
 
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Probably the only one who knows the truth is the outfitter himself..... but he does have common nyala on his trophy list......






 
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Southern Nyala


Mountain Nyala


Not even close.


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Yes Mr. Huffaker I think we have a winner!!! dancing

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Not even close.


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No doubt about it that is a common, central, side hill dodger..

But it sure looks like a mountain nyala to me.



 
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One more vote for definately Mtn. Nyala
 
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I don't know much about Nyalas but I do have a lot of experience with graphic artists and layout. There is little reason to believe depicting the mountain nyala is ruled out because it's not indigenous. Typically, the artist does not (and is not expected to) deal with that sort of thing. Odds are, he pulled the image from a wesite and dropped it in. Hell, it could have come from the Houston Zoo for all we know. Smiler
 
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Never seen a mountain nyala in the flesh but definitely does not look like a Southern one to me. First thing I noted on the website background was an absence of a hairy cheast and belly.


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Wow! What an extraordinary bushbuck!
 
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Tragelaphus Buxtoni gets my vote. Smiler


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They are both beautiful. Jerry Hoover
 
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Wow! What an extraordinary bushbuck!

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Looks like a Mountain Nyala to me. Wish Rich Elliott would chime in.
 
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Immature, white-throated, ring-necked kudu. RSA is swarming with them.


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I sent Rich a PM, so hopefully he'll stop by.


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Incidentally,

Having done a bit of research on this the MN apparently is closer related to the Kudu rather than the Nyala...

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The mountain nyala was brought to the attention of Western science by Lydekker in 1910, who suggested that this species "in some degree intermediate between the Nyala (Tragelaphus angasii) and the Kudu (Strepsiceros capensis) . . . might be known as the Spotted Kudu" (Lydekker, 1911). The original scientific name proposed was Strepsiceros buxtoni, allying this species with the greater kudu (Lydekker, 1911). However, upon further examination, Lydekker changed his mind, switching the genus to Tragelaphus indicating an affinity with the nyala of southern Africa (Lydekker, 1911; Shuker, 1993). Finally, due to strong similarities between the mountain nyala and member of both the genus Strepsiceros and the genus Tragelaphus, it was proposed that the two genera be merged, removing Lydekker's dilemma (Lydekker, 1911).

'Nyala' (pronounced "n'YAH-la") is the Swahili name for Tragelaphus angasii, a relative of this antelope. Despite this association, the mountain nyala is now thought to be more like a kudu in its nature (Shuker, 1993).

Tragos (Greek) a he-goat;.elaphos (Greek) a deer; in combination referring to an antelope. The first specimen of this large spiral-horned antelope was procured by Mr. Ivor Buxton in 1908, after whom the specific name is titled (Lydekker, 1911).



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In "African Experience", Boddington mentions that Chris Kinsey has collected DNA from all spiral horns and that analyses of it suggests that the closest relative of the Mtn Nyala actually is the Bushbuck. However, it seems likely that the MN has occupied a niche similar to that of Greater Kudu, but at much higher altitude.


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Woops Steve, I'm late to chime in, but Oneonone has a photo of a mountain nyala on their website. I base that not on my intimate knowledge of this species, but the fact that all southern common nyala with horns (bulls), even young ones like shown in Jerry's first photo, have a very distinctive ventral (bottom) mane.

To all others like L david Keith and Steve, scientific name convention is Genus species subspecies with genus starting with a capitol letter and both species and subspecies starting in lowercase. The name is always either printed in italics or underlined. The (rather poor) photo on the website is of Tragelaphus buxtoni

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I'm stuck down here in Mexico with a borrowed 'pooter' When I call up the home page I don't get any picture. But if I did at this point in time it would look like a Dorado!
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Well, I'm back in the USA office. When I call it up on my computer I see a very nice
Mountain Nyala
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Case closed. Thanks Rich. wave


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The give away is the big white blotch on the neck of the mountain nyala compared to a fine white line of the nyala as well as the body posture and the thick neck basically looks like a nyala on steriods.


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Well the more I look at the pic the more unsure I become, so I guess I was probably wrong...... although I find it hard to believe that an outfitter who has common nyala on his trophy lis would post a mountain nyala on the homepage of his website.........






 
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Well, I guess if that's settled, we have nothing left to do but have a contest: How much does he weigh? Big Grin


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... I find it hard to believe that an outfitter who has common nyala on his trophy lis would post a mountain nyala on the homepage of his website.........


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The web design was probably done by a media/IT person that does not understand the difference between sex education and sex training - let alone Nyala subspecies ... Wink


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But surely the owner would have checked his own site and noticed the error..... Ah well, I guess it's just one of life's great mysteries. Wink






 
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