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12 April 2007, 17:06
Eland SlayerWHOOPS!!
I came across this website today for One-on-One Safaris. If you visit their website:
http://www.oneononesafaris.com/, you can see they have a picture of a live Mountain Nyala on the homepage, but the operation is based in South Africa and has absolutely nothing to do with Ethiopia. I guess the web designer just figured it's all the same.
Anyways, I thought some of you might get a kick out of that.
12 April 2007, 17:15
shakariYou're right about whoops...... that looks like a Tragalaphus Angasaii to me, otherwise known as the common nyala which does occur in SA.....
12 April 2007, 17:24
Eland Slayersteve,
I can't tell if you're joking or not.
I am by no means an expert on Africa, but I am absolutely 100% sure that is NOT a Southern Nyala. It is definitely a Mountain Nyala.
12 April 2007, 17:48
shakariNo bwana, I'm not joking...... what makes you think it's a mountain nyala? Looks like a common nyala to me, albeit a very big one......
12 April 2007, 17:55
young_phLooks like a mountain nyala to me.....
Look at the legs. Orange legs means it is a Southern Nyala. Big one, but a Southern none the less. Also, note the mane. Mtn Nyala are not that hairy.
Sorry, but the whoops is on you, not the web site.
Mac
12 April 2007, 18:14
C-F StoltThat is a Mountain Nyala (Tragelaphus buxtoni) and the photo is taken around the park hq in Dinsho Ethiopia. 100% sure! (I haven't taken the photo, but personally recognize the bull...)
BTW, I should perhaps introduce myself; I'm a swede and have spent about 6 months in Ethiopia the last two autumns. I've done internship as a biologist and have therefore spent quite some time in Bale, where I conducted baseline surveys on behalf of the NP, Ethiopian wolf conservation programme and Frankfurt Zoological Society.
I've lurked around on this forum for years and got helpful info when I booked my first (and so far only) hunt in Africa (Namibia with Vaughan Fulton).
Safe hunting,
/C-F Stolt
12 April 2007, 18:16
PeterNow hold on a minute guys, according to ol' Ray:
"A lot of the real experts are afraid to post here and most all the gun writers stear clear."
So, unless you fall into one of these categories you guys shouldn't know what you are talking about!!!!
I for one, come here just to lean from anyone.
Peter.
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12 April 2007, 20:30
Jaco HumanIt is not the best of photos to use for identification. The front legs got white at the back, a big white blotch below the chin and the horns are bent towards the back, it all points to a Mountain Njala. I miss the white on the front part of the hind leg, which points towards a Southern Njala. The rest of the coat is also not long enough for a S Njala with such long horns.
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www.sahuntexp.com 12 April 2007, 20:51
Fallow BuckI didnt think Regular Nyala had the curl in the horns that the Mountain Nyala has.
This one looks like A Mtn Nyala to me, (judging by a number of photos of both types I've looked up) but then given that I haven't seen either in the flesh...
FB
12 April 2007, 21:02
JTHuntNote no ventral mane - must be a Mountain Nyala.
12 April 2007, 21:10
NavalukWell we have the SA view. How bought we see what Ethiopia has to add. Mr. Elliot?
Also, while we wait perhaps the SA crowd could focus on the flora. Maybe the evidence is there.
12 April 2007, 21:13
Jerry HuffakerNyala
Mountain Nyala
Throat patch on the Mountain Nyala, among other things.
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12 April 2007, 21:14
shakariThe horn bases don't look thick enough for a mountain nyala to me..... but I'm only basing that statement of photos I've seen of MN..... Also I fail to see why a SA outfitter would put what is an alien species to his area on his website? ......The fact it's such a lousy picture makes it even more difficult to be sure.
Jerry,
That's an adolescent common nyala you've posted there, the real big boys have tips that turn out.......
12 April 2007, 21:19
NavalukJaco 1, Shakari 0, so far.
12 April 2007, 21:25
shakariProbably the only one who knows the truth is the outfitter himself..... but he does have common nyala on his trophy list......
12 April 2007, 21:25
Jerry HuffakerSouthern Nyala
Mountain Nyala
Not even close.
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12 April 2007, 21:30
NavalukYes Mr. Huffaker I think we have a winner!!!
Mr Human come on down.
12 April 2007, 21:32
Nickuduquote:
Originally posted by Jerry Huffaker:
Not even close.
12 April 2007, 21:41
surestrikeNo doubt about it that is a common, central, side hill dodger..
But it sure looks like a mountain nyala to me.
One more vote for definately Mtn. Nyala
12 April 2007, 22:25
<Hunter Formerly Known As Texas Hunter>I don't know much about Nyalas but I do have a lot of experience with graphic artists and layout. There is little reason to believe depicting the mountain nyala is ruled out because it's not indigenous. Typically, the artist does not (and is not expected to) deal with that sort of thing. Odds are, he pulled the image from a wesite and dropped it in. Hell, it could have come from the Houston Zoo for all we know.
12 April 2007, 22:47
NitroXNever seen a mountain nyala in the flesh but definitely does not look like a Southern one to me. First thing I noted on the website background was an absence of a hairy cheast and belly.
13 April 2007, 05:01
Steve RichardsWow! What an extraordinary bushbuck!
13 April 2007, 05:24
L. David KeithTragelaphus Buxtoni gets my vote.
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13 April 2007, 06:47
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13 April 2007, 09:16
DPhillipsquote:
Originally posted by Steve Richards:
Wow! What an extraordinary bushbuck!
Looks like a Mountain Nyala to me. Wish Rich Elliott would chime in.
13 April 2007, 09:22
Michael RobinsonImmature, white-throated, ring-necked kudu. RSA is swarming with them.
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13 April 2007, 09:23
Eland SlayerI sent Rich a PM, so hopefully he'll stop by.
13 April 2007, 15:39
Fallow BuckIncidentally,
Having done a bit of research on this the MN apparently is closer related to the Kudu rather than the Nyala...
quote:
Remarks
The mountain nyala was brought to the attention of Western science by Lydekker in 1910, who suggested that this species "in some degree intermediate between the Nyala (Tragelaphus angasii) and the Kudu (Strepsiceros capensis) . . . might be known as the Spotted Kudu" (Lydekker, 1911). The original scientific name proposed was Strepsiceros buxtoni, allying this species with the greater kudu (Lydekker, 1911). However, upon further examination, Lydekker changed his mind, switching the genus to Tragelaphus indicating an affinity with the nyala of southern Africa (Lydekker, 1911; Shuker, 1993). Finally, due to strong similarities between the mountain nyala and member of both the genus Strepsiceros and the genus Tragelaphus, it was proposed that the two genera be merged, removing Lydekker's dilemma (Lydekker, 1911).
'Nyala' (pronounced "n'YAH-la") is the Swahili name for Tragelaphus angasii, a relative of this antelope. Despite this association, the mountain nyala is now thought to be more like a kudu in its nature (Shuker, 1993).
Tragos (Greek) a he-goat;.elaphos (Greek) a deer; in combination referring to an antelope. The first specimen of this large spiral-horned antelope was procured by Mr. Ivor Buxton in 1908, after whom the specific name is titled (Lydekker, 1911).
Taken From Here13 April 2007, 17:41
C-F StoltIn "African Experience", Boddington mentions that Chris Kinsey has collected DNA from all spiral horns and that analyses of it suggests that the closest relative of the Mtn Nyala actually is the Bushbuck. However, it seems likely that the MN has occupied a niche similar to that of Greater Kudu, but at much higher altitude.
Safe hunting,
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14 April 2007, 08:22
Andrew McLarenWoops Steve, I'm late to chime in, but Oneonone has a photo of a mountain nyala on their website. I base that not on my intimate knowledge of this species, but the fact that all southern common nyala with horns (bulls), even young ones like shown in Jerry's first photo, have a very distinctive ventral (bottom) mane.
To all others like L david Keith and Steve, scientific name convention is
Genus species subspecies with genus starting with a capitol letter and both species and subspecies starting in lowercase. The name is always either printed in italics or underlined. The (rather poor) photo on the website is of
Tragelaphus buxtoniIn good hunting.
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14 April 2007, 19:23
Rich ElliottI'm stuck down here in Mexico with a borrowed 'pooter' When I call up the home page I don't get any picture. But if I did at this point in time it would look like a Dorado!
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24 April 2007, 02:50
Rich ElliottWell, I'm back in the USA office. When I call it up on my computer I see a very nice
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24 April 2007, 03:13
Eland SlayerCase closed. Thanks Rich.
24 April 2007, 09:49
Safari-HuntThe give away is the big white blotch on the neck of the mountain nyala compared to a fine white line of the nyala as well as the body posture and the thick neck basically looks like a nyala on steriods.
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24 April 2007, 11:21
shakariWell the more I look at the pic the more unsure I become, so I guess I was probably wrong...... although I find it hard to believe that an outfitter who has common nyala on his trophy lis would post a mountain nyala on the homepage of his website.........
24 April 2007, 19:38
L. David KeithWell, I guess if that's settled, we have nothing left to do but have a contest: How much does he weigh?
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24 April 2007, 19:51
Bahatiquote:
Originally posted by shakari:
... I find it hard to believe that an outfitter who has common nyala on his trophy lis would post a mountain nyala on the homepage of his website.........
Steve
The web design was probably done by a media/IT person that does not understand the difference between sex education and sex training - let alone Nyala subspecies ...
Johan
24 April 2007, 20:00
shakariBut surely the owner would have checked his own site and noticed the error..... Ah well, I guess it's just one of life's great mysteries.
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