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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Lizzy:
Please Mark, I am trying to find out but I only get nasty remarks without any real reasons to hunt. Accept that they love it. Give me one good reason for hunting, and don't start that hunting is nature or on top of food chain. You are a professional hunter and earn money from amateurs.
You create the dream for overweight, middle aged men who don't know what to do with their money.

But are you responsible? Do you know how many animals are in your concession? And which one can be hunted without hurting the herd, specie or breeding? Remember the Musango bull in Kariba? Was wearing a collar but wandered into a hunting area and was taken out. A very friendly bull, who came close to people.

No one has told me why hunting is so great. En-light me. Except stupid excuses.

May be you will earn more money with tourism who will shoot them with a camera and the animals are still there for the next tourists.

Hi Jolo.

Long time since we spoke.

There is almost no way that Lizzy is Joloburn. Joloburn has the intelligence to keep an open mind and listen to our side. Lizzy is a lost cause.

Lizzy,
I know that I am wasting my breath but I will answer you question.... Yes, professional hunters do know which animals can be removed without affecting the health of the heard. This is why hunting areas all over Africa have robust game populations. Hunting areas MUST maintain robust populations to allow hunting to continue, so they are well managed. The non-hunting areas are often devoid of game.

The reason that it is unrealistic to expect photo safaris to sustain African wildlife is due to the simple fact that all you anti hunters love to point out: "The ONE elephant that a hunter might kill could be photographed by hundreds of photo safari-ists"

Just stop and think about that... A country does not need to have a healthy population of animals to support a photo safari industry(Kenya!). The don't even need wild areas for game. All they need is a national park or 2 with a few animals and the photo safari-ists will be content. Heck, the average photo safai-ist would be happy with a trip to a South African zoo.

Hunters pay for and maintain the wild areas of Africa. Killing 1-3% of the animals does not negatively affect the population. The 1-3% that are killed allow the rest to live their natural life.

Please read what I wrote with an open mind.

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Originally posted by shakari:
Lizzy

Your reference to Chenobyl suggests you believe the answer to game population problems is to leave strictly alone and hope the natural balance re-establishes itself......... Which is exactly what the Kenyan govt tried to do some decades ago during a long drought period.

They were advised to cull a largish percentage of their elephant populations to ensure the remainder of that population and all the other game populations would survive the drought period.

They chose to ignore that advice and pics of the result of that decision is below. Not only did almost all the elephants die but so did almost all the other game populations, (including birds & predators) trees, grasses and other bush and if you take the trouble to read it, there's a book called 'The End Of The Game' by Peter Beard that tells the whole tragic story.



In the pic below, every little white spec you see is an elephant bone!



My apologies to Peter Beard for using his pics to illustrate the point he makes so very well in his book.

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Originally posted by Paul C:
Kind of hard for the deer to thrive when none are left after the lions wiped them out. You have to have balance and unfortunately with so many people and so much development nature can not do it on its own. Nature needs the help of Hunters.

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Originally posted by JBrown:
Lizzy,

I gave you and honest answer that is beyond dispute. I guess you are choosing to ignore my post because it does not fit you close minded agenda?

You are definitely not Joloburn!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Paul C:
Actually big game hunting started way before 1900. The anti hunting stance is so beyond making any sense. You give them the prime example of Kenya and now what Botswana will be in five years and it does no good at all. And they still believe Obummer is a great leader for the US.

You are absolute disgusting Saeed. Go and wash your mouth with green soap.
Sadly, some versions of the human race do not have much between their ears, so they use other parts of their anatomy to "think" with

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Originally posted by Lizzy:
Thank you Steve, I have to buy this book. But culling elephants is different then hunting them.
Do you think that tourist hunters are willing to pay for the culling?
What is your opinion about the David Sheldrick wildlife trust?
Is the WWF wrong! I don't like the WWF but that is an other story.
Where do you live in Portugal?

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Originally posted by nickh:
Lizzy,
So I take it you have eaten ele as well as buffalo.? Y or N


Nick

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Originally posted by Paul C:
Saeed I tried clay birds once. Too dry and I had to use way too much mushroom cream sauce to gag them down.

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Originally posted by Lizzy:

Paul, you know as well that lions don't wipe out all the deer but only the weak and sick .

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Originally posted by Bwana338:
John

From what i read Namibia for elephant would be a great hunt.

That would be my choice if i could manage the cost.

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Originally posted by Lizzy:
Hi Frostbite, I have never had a problem watching a natural kill. Deer is food for the cougar. This has been going on for millions of years. The kill was fascinated to see how the cougar changed it's tactics. So what are you trying to prove! It is a short video so how do you know it is a healthy deer! Cougars or lions or leopards don't want to risk to get insured with healthy prey. If they do, they are in the prime of their life's. If they are older, they will go for he the young or old. They don't go for the big horns or tusks. BTW I am not a troll but a human being.

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@fujoputo.....I think that you are still a cave dweller, killing wild animals or is that the moon generation? Astronauts don't eat elephants but space food.

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Originally posted by Lizzy:
Hee Saeed, you didn't know that farm animals are bred for meat----I am not a vegetarian. As far I know only lions are bred to be hunt and only for their manes. You have to try harder my mate.

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Originally posted by Frostbi

......... I usually don't engage trolls because I don't believe in feeding them but let's hear your comment on this video.

You wanted to learn about hunters. Here's a natural hunter.

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Originally posted by Lizzy:
@lavaca, I have walked with a small group through the bush. Not in a tourist bus. I have peddled for 6 days down the Zambezi river and slept on the river banks without a tent. And we were unarmed. We could see if animals were hunted on their behaviour. Skittish and scared or at ease.
I sat alone under a Baobab tree in Chekwena area, near Mana Pools, as the other 4 wanted to watch the Carbine Bee-eaters again on the river. The guide told me, "whatever happened, don't run". Wild animals walked past and ignored me. A group of Baboons were funny. The young males acted like macho's but were corrected by their mothers. In the Vlei a herd of over 400 buffalo's were grazing. Suddenly the wind changed and 400 heads looked my direction and then took the gap.
A human means danger. Understandable but what a shame.
You should try it once.
Shooting a DikDik, Why? Or a baboon!
Explain please.