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Why? Tusk-less elephants are caused by taking out the tusk gene, shooting any big tuskers. Tusk-less elephants has more change to survive, it is called evolution, natural selection....until hunters decide to use them for BAIT! This is again not hunting. | |||
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I have only done one cat hunt, baiting leopard. It was mentally challenging, 12 days of hard work and an awful lot of rolling tires running multiple baits. I'm glad to have done it once, but it is likely my last cat hunt. http://forums.accuratereloadin...401096881#9401096881 I have taken three elephant hunting trips, and successfully hunted five ele. http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7401037002 For me, no question. Tracking elephant has been the most gratifying hunting experience I have ever had. It's physically challenging, exciting, and fulfilling. Cat hunting, at least for me, is in second place. Mind you, if money was no object, I would surely do a trophy lion hunt, but I can get a lot more pleasure and fulfillment for my time and money hunting elephant. | |||
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If given the chance I would hunt a lion, I would give it a thought on where I could be successful By the way tuskless elephants caused by hunting?, now I have heard it all. | |||
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i seriously doubt we have heard it all. i am sure Lizzy will again enlighten us with some more absolute nonsense. she obviously didn't take my earlier comment( about keeping her mouth shut so as not to reveal her stupidity) to heart  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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So fishing is not fishing if you deceive a fish with bait?  To the original question; I'd love to have such a problem..... | |||
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Since when is fishing called hunting? I thought that hunting had ethical rules! To kill a big cat who is eating bait, is not hunting. They don't even know they are hunted. So they don't stand a chance. I think the only animal that is really dangerous to hunt is the Cape Buffalo. They are cunning and clever and can re-track the hunter from behind. Elephants? I knew many Game Rangers in the Rhodesia era and they had to do the culling of herds. Just shoot the Matriarch and the herd stands around her body. One by one they shot every elephant and hated doing it. They didn't call it hunting but slaughtering. The orphanages were saved and lived in Mukabusi woodlands and a few went to an sanctuary. Or overseas Zoo's. I met Mukabusi, shortened to Mac and he is now 36 years old and stands 4 meter high. Semi wild-tame and I walked with him and 3 more elephants. I respect him but I am not scared of him. He forgave humans for killing his family and it is amazing how gentle elephants really are. | |||
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Shakari: I am sorry you have to live in the same country as this NUT! | |||
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Please stop insulting me. If there is one nut,it is you. Why don't you come back with some intelligent reply. Or is it not good for your ego to read that many animals are not as dangerous as you make out to be. Shakari, there is almost no wildlife left in Portugal. Rarely do I see a very frightened rabbit. The hunters who shoot anything on Sundays. In Spain the hunters hang their hunting dogs in trees to die. The one's that are too old or not good at hunting. Cruel beyond believe. In Portugal they poison dogs or tie them up in the forest and leave them to starve to death. Very brave, don't you think so! | |||
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Madam, I think you are full of utter bollocks and have no idea whatsoever of what you're talking about. To suggest there is almost no wildlife in Portugal is as utterly ridiculous as the rest of your comments. Game populations could be higher in Portugal but only because the Govt/EUSSR plants so much commercial woodland. Go to the areas that still have the indigenous trees and not the commercial woodland and you'll see extremely high game populations and even in the areas with commercially grown trees, there are game populations, albeit in lower numbers. We have commercial forest on 3 sides of our house and we see deer, wild boar and partridges on a fairly regular basis....... if I took the trouble to feed them in, we'd see even more. | |||
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So am I! | |||
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Well I lived here longer then you. Move to Spain. | |||
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Oh proof it....I live here for 14 years and I am involved in wildlife and bird life. I work at the wild bird sanctuary where we nurse injured birds back to health and release them again. Some come back again with pellets of shotguns and broken wings. The Lynx is protected and we are trying to introduce them in the wild again. NOT TO BE HUNTED AGAIN a very stupid answer without defense but insults. Here are foxes, rabbits, lots of birds, including the vulgar, flamingos, storks. | |||
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I'm very happy where I am thanks and reckon we should be able to share the country even if we can't share an opinion!  More seriously, some of your comments are waaaay uninformed so might I suggest that rather than just leaping into turbo tongue mode straight off, you rather ask why African hunting is as it is........ there are a lot of well informed people here who have spent an awful lot of time either living, working or hunting on the dark continent and they might be able to correct some of your misconceptions. You might not want to hunt and that's fine, but there's plenty of evidence to prove that hunting plays a very important role in the survival and success of African game populations and that without hunting, these game populations will dwindle at the very least. | |||
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I think you mean prove it rather than proof it....... but in what way would you like me to prove it? - If you want to see good game populations in Portugal, all you have to do is go to any area that has good, old fashioned, traditional woodland such as Castelo Branco...... or ask any farmer about his problems with wild boar...... As for reintroducing lynx, I'm not sure many Portuguese farmers would agree it's such a good idea because they'll not only be eating the other wild game populations of which you are so fond of saving but also whatever livestock they can manage to nail. That said, this forum is about hunting in Africa rather than hunting in Portugal so perhaps better to stick to that. | |||
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You just can not reason with anti hunting groups. They are always correct and hunters are murderers. They post lies and spread their b.s. propaganda . | |||
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Wow! We have another brainless idiot trying to tell us about hunting? As you seem to know so much about lions and elephants, would you please tell us what qualifications in this regards that you have? I bet it is one big fat ZERO! | |||
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Lizzy line, the greatness of a nation is how they treat their animals. Oh yeah, in those countries they treat their people like shit. When we care more about the welfare of an animal than a human, we have a huge problem. That is the Anti hunting stance. Their was a post on a Anti hunting site that showed a picture of a monster of a lion and two boys who are the sons of Tanzanian professional hunters, Raoul Ramoni and Michael Angelides. The post said the two boys killed the lion at the egging on of the parents. I called bullshit on that and these idiots still insisted the boys shot the lion. This is the type of stuff that really pisses me off about the Anti stance. Noting but fabricated bs. | |||
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If I remember correctly, that's a quote from Ghandi and of course, the correct thing to do would be for her to put in in quotes and credit Ghandi with the statement. Lizzy, where in Portugal are you and please do tell us more of the sanctuary you are involved with? | |||
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Gentlemen, You are trying to have an intelligent conversation with someone who has no intelligence. You are wasting your time - remember Jellobrains? This is another one just like her. | |||
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Paul, what is the link of this anti hunting site! I know that there are many OTT animal organisations who are dangerous but those are highjacked by the loony left. Like what happened to Greenpeace. But the one's who go undercover with the risk of their own life to expose the bad treatment of animals, I admire. I have done this on a small scale with circuses and one of my photo's was printed in 5 Portuguese newspapers and 1 English local newspaper. There was a huge outcry The Portuguese ambassador was called in by the British and the law changed here to stop importing wild animals for entertainment. There is no excuse to torture or mistreat animals. People have voices and parties, animals don't. | |||
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OZhunter!!! Are you hunting kangaroos? Why again are you insulting me! I am telling the truth. Sorry about that, but there are people who know a lot about animals without hunting. I lived for 6 years in Zimbabwe and I have used every minute of free time in the bush. That is how I know the Game Rangers. You don't find them in town. Ha ha, next time I see a fisherman, I will asked him how his hunt is going. Or are you shooting fish? | |||
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Saeed, if you call your and other replies intelligent then I am wondering about your intelligence. Only a few are starting to discuss as gentleman. I only wrote down my own experience and living in Africa, is different then a 2 week hunting holiday with a professional hunter as safety. | |||
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Hi Shakari, i live in the East Algarve and here is the blog of Rias, the bird sanctuary but also for small mammals. http://rias-aldeia.blogspot.pt/ They are just outside Olhaõ. Further I worked as volunteer at Goldra in Loule, in Ayamonte in Spain and Guardi shelter near Castrim Marim. I notify SEPA, a part of the GNR police about dogs living in terrible conditions. I foster kittens till they are old enough to be adopted in Holland, Germany or Britain. Still have 5 of the 8 and next week one is going to Holland and the other 4 (found in a box at the lixo at the age of 10 days) are going soon to Germany. I have 1 dog and 4 cats, all abandoned on the street, Shakari, where do you live and do you already have a dog who adopted you? Don't go to the garbage container early in the morning or late at night, you will find live kittens and puppy's in plastic bags. Do you walk away or do you pick them up? Will give Ghandi the credit for his quote, you are right. I have been to Lisbon a couple of years ago for a 3 day congress about animals. It was an eye opener as there are so many organisations and sometimes they work against each other. Some are really mad but many are very good. One speaker was Jane Goodall and Marc Bekoff, amazing people. But the food was terrible, vegan and one veganist next to me became angry as there was cheese on the food. I changed my aubergine for his cheese.... | |||
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Well, I asked you to tell us what your qualifications are for claiming to know hunting better than us. What is it. So working with stray dogs makes you a bloody expert, does it? You really are too impressed with your own selfish ignorance! This might be news to you, but lions and elephants are slightly different to stray dogs. Go and learn something about them. And I see that you have shown your true colours. You admire eco-terrorists do you? Just what I thought, equate animals to humans. Nothing can get more ignorant than this. It did not take very long to expose you for what you are did it? | |||
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My apology's for what you refer to as insults, but It is blatantly obvious that you know very little about our pastime and yes there are many experienced non hunters that know plenty on wildlife and its management however, you are not one of them. Oh, and I'm not much into Kangaroos, the cheeky guys spook the Game. | |||
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@Saeed; What qualifications? No I don't have hunting qualifications and never claimed. I have experience with wild animals by observing them for years while I lived in Zimbabwe, in the bush not in a zoo. And I worked with them at Mukabusi woodlands and in Imire wildlife sanctuary, specially with Rhinos and Elephants. I did shoot but targets and not living beings. My dad did shot twice a burglar. Further I think you should read better or buy glasses. Where do I ever said I admire Eco-terrorists???? I despise Greenpeace as I mentioned before. I do admire people who go undercover to expose the cruelty to animals. Be it on huge factory farms or bullfighting or circuses or whaling or dolphin slaughters around the world. Dogs and cats who are kept in small cages to be sold as food in Asia or hunters who shoot from helicopters or canned hunting. The problem is that you think that animals have no feelings,don't have emotions and cannot think. Did you ever try to understand them? No as you are ignorant. Read the book of Lawrence Antony, "the elephant whisperer"? More authors are Jane Goodall, Dian Fossey, Sharon Pincott, living for 10 years with wild elephants in Zimbabwe. Tony Fitzjohn, living for 20 years with wild lions, together with George Ademson in Kenya. They know much more about wild animals then hunters who go out for 2 weeks. | |||
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Wildlife management? What about people management! Something went wrong, didn't it. From 3 billion people in 1960 to 7 billion today. From 1.2 million elephants in 1960 to 300.000 today. From 200.000 lions in 1960 to 20.000 today. Someone is mismanaging and should be fired. | |||
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I think virtually everyone here would not view torturing or mistreating animals in a positive manner. Hunting is not torturing or mistreating animals. Hunting is part of the natural process. Have you ever checked into how an old bull elephant dies naturally? Perhaps you should . A bullet saves them from a lot of suffering. | |||
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Lizzy you are way mis-informed. Because of their professed " Love for all animals," the antis are giving the slow death to the animals they love. An example, here in California, mountain lion hunting was stopped I believe over 20 years ago and believe me we had a lot of lions. Lions favorite food, Deer. Oh lions will kill wild pigs but they prefer deer and an adult lion will kill one deer a week. Now we have substantially less deer in California due to this stopping of the lion hunting. Problem is now the lions do not have as many deer to hunt so what are the lions doing..... they are now going into towns and cities and eating poor little Fifi, the poodle, and Minxy the cat. NOW the general population is upset as the family pets are being snatched. Plus the lions are taking sheep and beef calves. Now you know what a rancher does when he sees a lion on his property.... that's right they are taken care of and quickly. So soon not only will we not have deer but in a few years but the precious lions that the Antis were protecting will also be gone. | |||
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@larryshores, I agree with that completely but often the one's in the prime of their life's are taken. As a trophy hunter I am sure you don't want to shoot an elephant with broken tusks. I have no problems with old Cape Buffalo's but do have with a lion as if they still have a pride, the next lion taking over is killing his cubs. So one lion cost the life of 10 cubs? And a lion of 6 years looks better then the one of 10 years and thrown out of the pride. Who has more scares | |||
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Lizzy is some air-brained do-gooder who thinks the world revolves around her. How in the world can anyone equate what hunters do as torture to animals? Lizzy she get off her horse and go see how animals survive in the wild. Have you ever seen a pack of hyenas disembowel a wildebeest on the hoof, and devour its rear end whole it is chewing the cud? Have you ever seen a pride of lions do their killing? You lot with the brain of a cicada would probably like to see no lions or hyenas alive. Just to save your little bamby! Honestly, can't you find something useful to do instead of trying to convince hunters not to hunt? Are you REALLY that stupid? | |||
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Can you clarify those comment Saeed? I am not sure you were clear enough. | |||
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These anti hunter groups need to realize that the professional hunters and their clients do more for the future of the game in Africa than the Antis do with their propaganda. | |||
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@Paul C, again you are talking sense but with less lions, the deer population will explode. Is there no balance? Less food, less predictors and more prey, more cubs will survive. In nature the weak one's will not survive but with hunting the strong and big one's (doesn't matter which animal) are taken out. Foxes are hunted because they eat rabbits and then the rabbit population explodes. There is one place in the world where nature is left alone and that is in Chernobyl and bears, moose's, lynx, wolves, elks came back and are thriving. If there was more communication between hunting companies and environmentalists and wildlife protection then there would be more understanding. But it seems that there are now too many hunting safari companies and they all want to earn money. The hunting clients want the big 5 in 2 weeks. There seems no control and responsibility any more. Who knows how many are left and where they are going or coming from. The worst is if an elephant from a national park wanders into a hunting concession and then legally killed. Just across the line into the park it is illegal. | |||
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As Chernobyl is the perfect place for animals, why don't you go live there then? Might give the rest of the world some peace and quiet from your brainless mutterings! In fact, why don't you take all your like minded nitwits along too, and live happily ever after in your convoluted little world! | |||
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Look what they are doing to elephants Lizzy. Hop on the next plane and save the poor suffering creature!  | |||
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