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I would be interested in hearing some opinion of which is best travel medical rescue plan, MedJet Assist or Global Rescue. | ||
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I have had both but have not had to use either. I switched from MedJet to Global Rescue. The reason was that MedJet would fly you back to the states from an major airport somewhere. Global Rescue will pluck you out of the bush or off the side of a mountain. MedJet won't. | |||
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What is the criteria that Global Rescue uses as requisite for evacuation? I currently have MedJet and (if you can make to to a hospital), if admitted, you can get evacuated. In additon to search and resuce, does GR have the this same criteria? Thanks!! -Steve -------- www.zonedar.com If you can't be a good example, be a horrible warning DRSS C&H 475 NE -------- | |||
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I just signed up with medjet after talking to a representative. I was interested if they would go into Harare at this point and she assured me they will. Also, they are networked with local pilots and will extract you out of the bush using local grass strips to get you to a city where the jet takes over. | |||
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Belarus: I'll have to dig it out of the documents they sent. My recollection is that they come and get you when you are in need of medical treatment and can't be moved for example in a truck. If you have the flu, they are not coming to get you. If you have been severely chewed up by a lion with broken bones, lacerations and internal injuries, they will. Again, the major issue is that they come and get you in the bush. That is a big difference from being picked up at Kilamanjaro for example. One other thing about this company. They provide other "services" on a fee basis. For example, they got some people out of Lebanon when the fighting was going on. This is not covered by your normal membership. Certain of their staff are ex special forces. One was involved in the rescue of hostages in Iraq. The Hunting Report has written a lot about this. You might look there for more info. | |||
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larryshores, Thanks for the further info. I'll check it out. Eric | ||
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It has been thought by many (including me) that Medjet only covers transport from a hospital, and that additional bush extraction may be required. However, I looked into this in July-05 and Dec-05 and was assured that this was not the case, and that in Zimbabwe and Tanzania they worked with "a network of affiliates" to provide this service (in Tanz it is The Flying Doctors). I have always been a bit uneasy about this as their website and marketing material does seem to be geared towards hospital-hospital flights - which might be due to their primary market...vaca & cruise ship travelers who would normally seek local treatment. But call (1-800-5-ASSIST) and they will tell you that they do cover field extractions IN SOUTHERN AFRICA. However, there is still some lingering doubt in my mind and I would prefer a more formalized approach. Medjet is less expensive (for example, a short-term 14-day individual plan w/MedJet is $105; Global Rescue is $159). In email with Global Rescue and specific to Zimbabwe, they said that they work with MARS and a few other "aeromedical evacuation companies" to perform bush extractions. As LarryS said, GR is said to have a "military background" and as such unique capabilities/contacts that Medjet may not posess. In speaking with MedJet, another difference might be that outside of Southern Africa, GR would seem to have the advantage. Per April at Medjet, Medjet can only provide and cover field extractions where they have affiliates. This is from Don Causey (The Hunting Report), who had the need to use MedJet Assist in March-05 after a fall from a machan in Cameroon.
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Hello Grumulkin This year I changed my medical rescue plan from Medjet to Global rescue because of the fact that if you are injured GR will get you from the field. I spoke to the GR Representative twice to make sure their criteria for evacuation were the same as Medjet with the added advantage of being rescued from the field. There is one thing to keep in mind that any rescue will take time and if one is injured in field you may have to be transported to a hospital to be stabilized while waiting to be rescued; at that point it does not matter if you have Medjet VS GB. This is more of a concern in West or Central Africa where a local air ambulance and para medic service may not be present. Bill's post went up as I was writing and it covers everything. If GR works with local air ambulance services than you don't need a second insurance, which is far better than what Medjet offers. Regards Aziz | |||
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FYI: Before my trip to Cameroon in January and on Don Causey's personal recommendation I contacted Global Rescue. I explained were I would be etc. and they said they would get back to me with a quote. No quote! I contacted them again to ask what was up and they assured me they were working on it and would get me a quote. They never gave me the quote or contacted me to explain why they could or could not make arrangements to accommodate me. I even explained to them who I was and if I had a good experience with them I might be able to help them out. They just blew me off! I also found initially from them that they do not have people standing by in Africa or anywhere else other than the States so they might be able to extract you once they arrange it with someone in Africa but it might take days. They also have to get clearance to fly in a foriegn countries air space and that is not necessarily a slam dunk. If you do consider buying Global's service give them a real scenario for rescue and let them tell you exactly how they will handle your rescue if need be. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Mark: That is strange. I made one call and was signed up in a very few minutes. I bought for me and my 2 sons both of which are going on trips with me this year. | |||
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Mark, you posted this before, which frankly was enough to keep me from signing up with GR thus far. As it would be nice to get the straight story on this topic one way or another, I emailed Thomas Stark, Operations Manager at Global Rescue...maybe he can respond. Bill | |||
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I think having insurance for air evacuation is a wise choice. At the same time, do not be fooled into thinking that they can be relied upon for a first response extraction from any remote location. As Mark points correctly points out, the logistics of arranging a bush extraction make it impossible in almost all circumstances. You, your PH, and the safari company are going to have to get you evacuated in most extreme medical emergencies. If you lay there on the ground waiting on help from RSA or the US, you are probably going to die. Ask your safari company and PH how they handle medical emergencies and evacuations. Ask them if they've ever had to put an evacuation plan in effect and how it worked out. No matter what type of insurance coverage you have, don't kid yourself into thinking you can make a sat phone call and have a couple of Navy Seals and a Flight Surgeon helo into your location before you bleed out. Its not going to happen. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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I am signed up to try Global Rescue this year while hunting in Namibia and South Africa. | |||
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I know of a general surgeon with trauma experience who would happily accompany any safari for the cost of daily rates. Caleb | |||
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In 1988 a friend of mine and I went on a combination hunt to British Columbia. To make a very long story short, my friend broke his heel. He was in no danger of dying. He was also in no shape to ride a horse 10 hours to the nearest lake to be picked up by a float plane. I'll be willing to bet he would have loved to had Global Rescue come in a helicopter and get him. MedJet wouldn't as I understand it. I agree if you are on the verge of death, it probably doesn't make that much difference. But not all serious injuries are that way. | |||
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Well, gentlemen, I went with Global Rescue. I did ask them specific questions about remote South Africa areas and they said no problem. Their web site isn't set up in the most logical bay, but if you nose around, you can find examples of what they cover. Mention was made of the physician they rescued in Peru after he fell down a cliff in a remote area. They sent a helicopter for him. It said that if he had had a Global Rescue membership, his evacuation wouldn't have cost him anything. Maybe MedJet Assist will rescue from the boonies but their web site doesn't say they will. It says you first have to be transported to an airfield that will accomodate their airplanes. I'm sure airports such as in Johanesburg and Port Elizabeth would qualify but the little dirt strip in the bush might not. As far as Global Rescue being able to get permission to fly into various countries; I'm not particularly worried. Any type of air service has to get permission of some type when flying into a foreign country. | |||
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Gentlemen, My name is Nic (last name left out for search engine reasons) and I am the Director of Personnel Recovery Operations at Global Rescue (GR). Bill Campbell and Don Causey contacted us and asked if we could clarify some of the questions and rumors that have been circulating about GR coverage and associated capabilities. I will attempt to answer the specific questions I have pulled out of this forum, but I fear that my responses may generate even more questions so feel free to contact me anytime at help@globalrescue.com (subject the e-mail “attention Nicâ€). I have been fortunate to have the opportunity to get to know Don Causey over the past few months. You know as well as I that Don does his homework before he recommends anything, be it a hunt, a GPS or an aeromedical evacuation company. Rest assured that Don did his homework on Global Rescue as well. I first met Don last year when he came to Boston to do his diligence on GR. He came to our corporate headquarters and put us, and by us I specifically mean myself, the Flight Operations Director and the CEO, through a multi hour interrogation that would have made a federal agent proud. He left confident that GR is the company best suited to handle the needs of the international hunting community even though he had previously endorsed another company, which should prove to you that Don is continually striving to serve the international hunter. I gave Don my word, and now I give it to you, that if you are a member, I will exhaust every last resource at my disposal to affect your rescue, at the point of injury if possible, and get you to the medical facility of your choice. Now, your questions: -“What is the criteria that Global Rescue uses as requisite for evacuation?†The criterion is simple, there is no fine print, and is as follows: 1.) You must be a member. 2.) You must be more than 160 miles from your home of record. 3.) Your condition must warrant hospitalization (note you do not have to be in a hospital or anywhere else special). 4.) You cannot be anywhere so dangerous that our teams cannot get you out (i.e. North Korea). 5.) You must not have been hospitalized for your preexisting condition within 45 days of your transport. 6.) Your condition must not have been purposely self-inflicted. That’s it. -“One other thing about this company. They provide other "services" on a fee basis. For example, they got some people out of Lebanon when the fighting was going on. This is not covered by your normal membership. Certain of their staff are ex special forces. One was involved in the rescue of hostages in Iraq.†GR did evacuate 23 people from Lebanon during the first days of the fighting. None of the operators employed by GR were involved in the rescue of hostages in Iraq. Our former colleagues were…Sorry -“I explained were I would be etc. and they said they would get back to me with a quote. No quote!†You possibly have us confused with another provider. We do not give quotes for retail services nor do we discount our retail services. The prices are what they are and are posted on our website. -“If you do consider buying Global's service give them a real scenario for rescue and let them tell you exactly how they will handle your rescue if need be.†Please do. We are always open and enjoy the exercise. -“No matter what type of insurance coverage you have, don't kid yourself into thinking you can make a sat phone call and have a couple of Navy Seals and a Flight Surgeon helo into your location before you bleed out. Its not going to happen.†First, we do not have any SEAL’s or Flight Surgeon’s working at GR. The statement above is absolutely correct. Please remember that GR is a privately held company, not the US government, and your expectations should be in line with that. While we strive to continually build our network, no company can be everywhere all the time. Our internal ground SAR team is located in Albuquerque, NM, and will have to respond to your problem from there if they are the only asset available. Should you need GR services, we will first call on the closest asset, followed by the next closest, and so on. If we do have to respond from Albuquerque you will have to wait the time it takes for them to reach your location. That said, you can rest easy knowing that help IS on the way, the only variable is how long it takes to get there. GR membership is NOT a license to throw out the common sense you have developed over your lifetime of hunting experience. Always have a small medical kit, a communication device that will work where you are going to be, a small GPS, a signal device, a fire source, a water source, and the know-how to use your equipment properly. Don’t forget to pack your will-to-live as well. -“In 1988 a friend of mine and I went on a combination hunt to British Columbia. To make a very long story short, my friend broke his heel. He was in no danger of dying. He was also in no shape to ride a horse 10 hours to the nearest lake to be picked up by a float plane. I'll be willing to bet he would have loved to had Global Rescue come in a helicopter and get him.†I bet he would have…and yes, we would have come to get him in a helicopter, assuming one was available and within range, and his condition warranted such a transport. | |||
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Mr McKinley, The point is that after two inquiries you never got back to me with a price or a plan on how you would implement an extraction. You Sir dropped the ball. I made it quite clear to your folks I spoke with that I had talked to Don Causey and what my company affiliation was. You still blew me off. From my perspective that is very poor business practice on your part. The kicker here Mr. McKinley is that shortly after my less than satisfactory experience with your outfit you approached Adam Clements himself for assistance in promoting your business. Sounds like the right does not know what the left is doing and that would make me very apprehensive about recommending your service to a client. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Link to Thread In this case Medjet Assist did clearly pluck Wendell out of the bush. | |||
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Depends on your definition of "bush". They picked him up at an airstrip big enough for a King Air to land and T/O. My earlier point was meant to differentiate between picking up an accident victim at an airstrip, hospital or airport and being a first responder for an accident victim in the middle of nowhere. If you get hooked by a buffalo, your PH and his crew will have to keep you alive and get you to the airstrip. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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ForrestB I agree with you, the point I was making is Medjet did in this case retrieve a victim that was stranded in the bush. This thread has been geared toward the fictitious assumption that GR will come to get you in the bush and Medjet will not. I contacted Medjet and they told me the same thing they told Bill C, they will cover field rescues where they have affiliates (I'm only interested in southern Africa) if M.A.R.S. in Zim, can make the extraction (as T.F.D.'s did for Wendell) the needed assistance would be covered under the Medjet plan. I have contacted M.A.R.S. on this issue but have yet to get a response. My primary interest in Medjet or GR is in the extraction (the sole purpose of getting you to the appropriate medical facility) any medical assistance provided will be a bonus to the service I'm seeking. I am with you 100% when you say the treatment oyu receive before and after will be vital to your chances of survival. However at this point I fail to see where GR offers any superior services that Medjet does not already have in place. The whole thing looks to me like a major player in the industry has climbed in bed with the new guys and now hoards of others want to join the party for reason I have yet to understand. What am I missing? | |||
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Ok, Here is an easy one. A member is stranded in Western Tanzania, he is very sick. He is close to a dirt strip with coordinates 4 19 53 S 31 39 00 E The strip can accommodate one of the larger King Air's, but it is an unimproved dirt strip. The closest village is about 12 hours drive, (no medical facility) there are no other options to get this guy out. What is your plan to extract him and where would you take him? What resources would you use? I am not just doing this for fun, this is the exact situation I was in. The coordinates are pretty darn close to where the actual strip is located. (Google Earth it and see just how remote it is.) There are a few members of this board who have been here who are booked to hunt here this year and next year and a lot more that don't know it yet, but they will go here Please tell us your plan. Thank you. | |||
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This past September I was in Chewore North when a fellow hunter with MedJet Assist had an accident. He was hunting with a scoped double 470 and had an accidental double discharge which rammed the scope into his eye. This action did severe damage to his right eye with deep lacerations and the eye was filling with blood. The cornea was also ripped and his vision was almost gone from the right eye. This injured Hunter was also a well known Opthamologist (eye surgeon)who knows when there was a problem, and he had a big one. After we stitched him up by the fire to stop the blood loss, I used my Sat phone and called MedJet Assist. After explaining in detail the situation, and letting the injured Doctor talk directly to MedJet, they refused to evacuate him. They told me that due to the fact that his life was not in danger, only possible eye loss, he is NOT covered. He had to coordinate, at his own expense, getting himself out of the Bush and back to New York for an emergency operation on his eye. I was totally disgusted with MedJet Assist's attitude and unwillingness to help this member. Needless to say, I would never use them due to this real life situation. Below was our small operating table in Chewore North. | |||
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Interesting! These are stories we need to hear! Nic, Would this situation be grounds for evacuation and transfer back to USA?? | |||
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THis is a very informative thread. I hope Nic responds. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Here is a section from Medjet's Rules and regulations: Evacuation flights will be performed if an inpatient hospitalization is required, and the remaining in-patient hospital stay can be completed at a hospital of the member’s choice near the member's home, and the member is unable to return to his home hospital via commercial airline without medical escort. Aircraft used for the medical transport of MedjetAssist members are fully equipped intensive care aircraft staffed with specially trained medical teams. However, if the member's condition permits, the member may be transported by scheduled commercial airline, while in the care of a MedjetAssist medical team. Air medical services are limited to two separate flights per membership per year, except for repatriation flights involving enrolled, multiple family members requiring simultaneous repatriation. Under these circumstances, each family member will receive one fully paid flight. It appears that admission to a medical facility is a prerequisite in most cases. SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
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This is all very interesting. However, when one's arse is in a sling, the last thing we need is excuses or "didn't you read the fine print?" I think most of us would prefer to pay a little extra just for the security of knowing we would be flown out of an emergency situation. And Mau Mau's fellow hunter would be exactly what I'm talking about. I think most of us consider our eye sight an emergency. LDK Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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That has nothing to do with whether he should have been evacuated. These "fine print" considerations do (from MedJetAssist's rules and regulations): "You must be hospitalized as an inpatient more than 150 miles from your primary residence as listed on your enrollment application and continue to meet inpatient criteria at the receiving hospital." [NOTE: YOU MUST BE HOSPITALIZED.] "Both the originating and receiving hospitals must be reasonably accessible by ground ambulance to transport the member to and from an airfield capable of accommodating an authorized aircraft." [NOTE: NOT JUST ANY HOSPITAL WILL DO.] "A member with mild lesions, simple injuries such as sprains, simple fractures or mild illness which can be treated by local doctors and do not prevent the member from continuing his or her trip or returning home does not qualify for air medical transport." [NOTE: HOW ABOUT POSSIBLE LOSS OF AN EYE!] "MedjetAssist reserves the right to change or amend these rules and regulations. MedjetAssist is solely responsible for the interpretation and application of the rules and regulations communicated in this publication. All determinations by MedjetAssist shall be final and conclusive in each case." [NOTE: MJA CAN CHANGE THE RULES ANYTIME IT WANTS, CAN INTERPRET AND APPLY THEM ANY WAY IT WANTS, AND CANNOT BE SECOND GUESSED!] Really inspires confidence, doesn't it? Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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That's a real horror story to be sure. We need to hear from Global Rescue on that one. I have signed up with Global Rescue this year for the upcoming trip beginning July 13 (only three days until we leave!) | |||
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UEG: Good luck my friend! Where are you headed? jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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My understanding has always been that MedJet required a runway sufficient for a larger aircraft. Further, I purchased MARS coverage through the outfitter to get me out of the bush. Things go bad, MARS uses either a small plane or even a helicopter for extraction to the proper airport where the MedJet jet is waiting. Wishful thinking?? (of course hoping to never have to test my theory) | |||
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To make a long story short, my nephew was hit by a buffalo in Botswana. We carried him several miles to the truck, drove him to a dirt strip, loaded him on a bush plane that carried him to Maun, loaded him in the back of a pick-up truck that carried him to the clinic in Maun. I got the full runaround from MedJet. Just like Mrlexma posted, they looked for every out. In the end, you know ultimately who came to our rescue? American Express...that's who. I called American Express collect from the clinic in Maun, told them my problem and they went to work. They arranged for an air ambulance and connected me with a surgeon in Johannesburg. They guaranteed payment for everything and negotiated a price with the air ambulance (an excellent price I might add). Another patient came into the clinic with a neck injury. He (a Brit) had fallen from a horse on a photo safari. He came in on a BDF heliocopter. The photo camp had coverage with Med Jet and was getting the same run-around. He ended up on the air ambulance with us instead of waiting on MedJet. It turns out his neck was broken and the last I heard was that he's partially paralyzed. Med Jet was arguing that both these patients should be treated in Maun and then fly commercial to J-burg in a few days. Suffice to say, I won't be buying MedJet "insurance" and I will be carrying an American Express card. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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Forrest, is that coverage under the AMEX Platinum card? I figure I'm covered (by you all ) as long as I'm on active duty. The embassy Attache just writes the check! jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Interesting stuff. I find it amazing that Nic from GR says they would evacuate the hunter in BC with a broken heel(which in most cases could probably be treated on an outpatient basis, not hospitalization), yet MedJetAssist would not evacuate a guy from Zim that clearly needs eye surgery (which last time I checked probably requires at least a short hospital stay). So, in other words, if your condition is not immediately life threatening, with MedJetAssist you are probably screwed. Un-believable. I will NOT be renewing my MedJetAssist membership for sure now. Canuck | |||
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Jorge, I have a platinum card but I don't know off-hand the extent of their emergency coverage, but I know they do have some. Initially, I contacted them not for coverage but because MedJet was wanting payment in full in advance of them sending a plane in case it turned out that we didn't really have a situation that met their criteria as an emergency. I called Amex and told them that MedJet was insisting on a guaranteed payment (in case I tried to cancel the charge after the flight) and asked them if they could help me. The woman at Amex became my instant ally. She arranged for another company's air ambulance service to pick us up and arranged for a great team of doctors to help us once we got to Jo'burg. I wasted two hours arguing with MedJet before I contacted Amex. After my first call with Amex, they called me back in less than an hour telling me that our plane was in the air. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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While hunters were a big part of MedJet's business in its early days, it does not appear that is the case now. MedJet has grown, and in growing appears to have shifted its focus to general tourism and corporate-type relationships. They boast about the deal they sealed with the NFL Europe and their recent deal with AARP (although if you are over 75, you cannot get their normal plan). Seems a real shame that they seem to have all but abandoned a group (hunters) that helped them get up and running. The feedback here certainly supports that view. SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
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This is very informative and I look forward to the continued flow of information. This is scary stuff that needs to be discussed openly. I can't imagine the frustration of that eye doctor or Forrest's situation. _______________________________ | |||
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No I am confused! Taking the family to Namiba next year and was going to use Medjet. sounds like a waste of money. | |||
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Jorge: We're headed to Namibia for a leopard hunt with dogs, and then on to the Limpopo area of S.A. for some more plains game hunting. I figured that covering myself with Global Rescue would be worth it just in case something goes wrong on the leopard hunt this year. I am not sorry that I didn't sign up with Medjet Assist after reading the posts here. By the way, I just picked up my new 'baby' yesterday; a custom .458 Lott built by LeRoy Barry of Canyon Creek Gunstocks in Hamilton, Montana. It is built on a Ruger RSM action. It is incredible! I'll try and post pics of it here on AR if I can before I leave. | |||
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