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MJines
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Yes, I would have never imagined that the simple admonition to act ethically and responsibly could be so confusing to some. If someone's personal idea of hunting ethics is "don't screw it up" I would suggest that they might actually spend a few minutes reflecting on the importance of hunting ethics, the importance of setting a good example, the importance of being good stewards of the sport, etc. But then again some people struggle with the same notion in term of how to do business and how to relate to others. That ethical statement is disturbingly reminiscent of something you might hear a Jeff Skilling or Bernie Ebbers say.

. . . might not be a bad idea to read over those Boone and Crocket tenets . . . not a bad of statement of what hunting should all be about in my view . . .

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One thing that is left out of this conversation is common sense. I wouldn't take a 500 yard shot because it is beyond my abilities. Others may shoot, I hope their up to it.

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might not be a bad idea to read over those Boone and Crocket tenets . . . not a bad of statement of what hunting should all be about in my view


Walk-off..home run

we have an example to follow....Boone and Crockett

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1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.
2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.
3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.
4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.
5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.
6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment
 
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now the trick is to agree on a path forward and remember you're all on the same side


And that is the saddest part, we should all be on the same side, but I do not know that will ever happen.


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Originally posted by Heym 450/400:
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might not be a bad idea to read over those Boone and Crocket tenets . . . not a bad of statement of what hunting should all be about in my view


Walk-off..home run

we have an example to follow....Boone and Crockett

quote:
1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.
2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.
3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.
4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.
5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.
6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment


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Okay, let us look at these 6 concepts and think about comments concerning each of them that have been made during this one discussion.



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1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.

Yet some of us claim that just because a method is Legal, that does not make it Ethical.

2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.

Hunting game over bait or at waterholes may be or is both a Legal method, but in many areas both are accepted methods. Again some claim that does not make either Ethical.

3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.

Some folks spend the time/effort/energy and funds to become proficient with a particular type of hunting equipment, but not everyone puts out that same level of effort, yet they believe they are just as capable, even if they know they are not.

4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.

See number 3 above. They acquire the equipment but do not work at gaining the skill or experience.

5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.

Far too many of our fellow hunters, treat hunting as some form of competitive "Sport", with all of the associated "High Fiving" and other forms of gratuitous/exuberant celebrating after the shot.

6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment.

This is the one that leaves to much room for personal interpretation.


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It has nothing to do with whether a shooter has the skills to shoot a tick of the nuts of a gopher at 1000 yards or kills humanely, it has to do with the act of "the hunt"

The hunt is a pursuit of a quarry, but peculiar to this pursuit is both a physical and psychological involvement of the hunter. The physical by necessity demanding that the hunter literally enters the realm of the hunted.

Through the ages this interaction has been the subject of tales, paintings, art, writings , legends and more recently photographs and the collection of momentos and trophies. The need to share or remember a reflection of the psychological involvement.

There is also a very definite morality at play in the act. Again very evident through the ages. Man has through the ages attributed a certain moral value to the act of hunting and has revered the hunter. We see this reflected on many levels even in the Bible.

The criticism of the 1000 yard shot is not that the shooter may wound or not kill cleanly!

It is that there is a physical and psychological disconnect between the shooter and his quarry.

The hunter is literally 1000 yards removed from the animal and its immediate environment. The hunter is physically removed by a great distance from the hunted and to some extent there is then also a psychological distancing between the shooter and his target it becomes all about the shooter and not about the animal or the hunt
 
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