I just caught wind that Rainer Joesch is coming out with a new buffalo video. It's called Buffalo Hunters. For those with facebook look up "Buffalo Hunters-Rainer Joesch Films". If you haven't seen his first [URL=Mountain Buffalo]https://www.safaripress.com/product.php?productid=902&cat=302&page=3[/URL] I highly recomend it! It's suppose to come out any time now.

Brett

Excellent

That's great news, I have his first video and it's excellent.

His Mountain Buffalo video is the best hunting video I have ever seen. I will certainly buy his next release.

Yes, you are right. It is a new "Mountain Buffalo" DVD. I have just run it. Very good stuff! Entertaining and educational as well.
IMHO a "must buy" for any buff hunter!
Cheers, Hans

Where did you buy it?

Brett

Rainer did a screening of a segment of his new video in Reno. It was fanatastic.

The DVD has been released in Germany, but I do not believe its available in NA quite yet.

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
Where did you buy it?

Brett

I bought it directly from Rainer Joesch during the Dortmund hunting fair here in Germany. Rainer had a booth at the hunting fair. Price for his DVD is 29,90 € here in G.
Perhaps you could try the following website:
www.wild-africa.net

Cheers, Hans

It is unfortunate Mr. Josch has been taking these Buffalo in the neighbors hunting block.

According to the block boundary's established by the Wildlife Departments with GPS coordinates, he has been hunting in a place he has no 'right' to be (the camp is in the neighbor's block as well).

The company he sub's from has some 'pull' with the Government, so the battle will continue in to the future at least for the short term.

This wouldn't be Mount Kitumbeine (sp?), would it?

If so, I can vouch that the previous post is, oh, about 100% correct.

Isn't he hunting Mt. Loosimingor in Mto Wa Mbu GCA? Mt. Kitumbeine is in Lake Natron GCA.

Brett

Brett. Your spelling is no better than mine! And yes, it was Ossimingor (sp?), not Kitumbeine. I have hunted a few of these mountains and they can run together.

Is the mountian in Mto Wa Mbu or the Essimingor FR? It would appear to be the latter. Are you implying that he should be hunting in Mto Wa Mbu, but is leaving the concession to hunt Essimingor FR without permission?

...and yes as it states bellow I can't spell!

Brett

It was Essimingor. This is not second-hand information. As good old Elmer said, "hell, I was there!"

I'd like to see the video, if for no other reason than trying to see if they filmed in an area they shouldn't have been in.

So you're saying he sneeks into the Essimingor FR (where he doesn't have permission to hunt) to hunt instead of staying in Mto Wa Mbu (where he does have permission to hunt)? Yes or no? If no what are you saying? If you're going to make accusations let's be crystal clear. Anyone know who has the concession rights for the Essimingor FR? Thanks.

Brett

Brett.

You are quite correct. I have no involvement in the TZ hunting industry. As I am not the outfitter who was infringed upon, I have no dog in this fight.

Obviously someone associated with the "infringed upon operator" felt compelled to register on the forum and voice his complaint.

If he wants to provide additional information, he can. I will say no more on the subject other than to verify this individual's first post.

Guys,

I talked last evening with one of the participant in the video (shot a monster buff) and I asked the same questions about what area, what mountain and what safari company. I didn't get a really clear answer but I'm thinking they were in Mto Wa Mbu and I think this guy was working so hard from the fly camp on the mountain that he didn't think about much except the hunt. He may come on later and give his own report so I won't ruin that with anything further.

Mark

Mr. Josch's camp is in the adjoining block, not in Mto Wa Mbu.

The neighboring company has filed a complaint with the Wildlife Department.

In due time, Mr. Josch will be asked to vacate the mountains in which he currently hunts.

The neighboring company is no small player in the safari industry. They will take all the proper channels until they get a ruling. If the ruling goes against them, I'll post it here.

The Shadow knows,

So who's the company with the Essimingor FR concession rights?

Brett

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
So who's the company with the Essimingor FR concession rights?

That is only a portion of the block.

As I said, when the final determination comes down, I will post it here.

The current block owner has retained Mwalla (lawyer in Arusha) to sort it out with the Wildlife Department, which I am sure he will, one way or the other..

I am not doubting what you say or calling you out. I do have a problem when a new unknown poster comes on and dosnt give us any information. When you dont give information on who you are or who the supposed company was it is meaningless. True or not it is all innuendo. It seves no purpose other than to throw doubt not only on the accused but also your motives. I dont know the accused nor the area. Know even less about you. If you have a legitmate issue stand up like a man and say so. You of course would have to be willing to take any heat that would come down. Perhaps you dont deserve my reaction. I truthfully must say it isnt all about you. I have grown very weary of people being able to anonymously make statements like this with no recourse. My response is the result of the cumulation of these type of events without even giving us enough information to allow us to do due dilligence and make an informed decision.

Doesn't he hunt Mt Losiminguri near the Mto Wa Mbu turn off?

Naturally someone makes a film with a government official present whilst poaching someone else's area. Sounds like some one is trying to sneak in.

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Originally posted by Mike Smith:
I am not doubting what you say or calling you out. I do have a problem when a new unknown poster comes on and dosnt give us any information. When you dont give information on who you are or who the supposed company was it is meaningless. True or not it is all innuendo. It seves no purpose other than to throw doubt not only on the accused but also your motives. I dont know the accused nor the area. Know even less about you. If you have a legitmate issue stand up like a man and say so. You of course would have to be willing to take any heat that would come down. Perhaps you dont deserve my reaction. I truthfully must say it isnt all about you. I have grown very weary of people being able to anonymously make statements like this with no recourse. My response is the result of the cumulation of these type of events without even giving us enough information to allow us to do due dilligence and make an informed decision.

I have seen other posters ridiculed repeatedly here for no good reason. I have no time to argue my facts, or as you or some may say, is only innuendo. I have no need to justify myself to anyone here, or what I know, or how I know it.

I will say, I have just sent off a few separate visitors from Tanzania that are in the safari industry. Each was here for 3 - 5 days.

I do have knowledge of what goes on in Tanzania. I know which companies have blocks and which "companies"sublet. I know who does anti poaching and who does little or none. I know many of the blocks, which are good, reasonable, or less than so.

View my posts for what you think they are worth. You think they are worthless, that is fine.

If you need to check out what I say, maybe contact the wildlife department in Tanzania and give an inquiry regarding the subject at hand. It is true, we are in an age of 'instant news and information', but in this case, it will not be that way.

If you think I have issues with Mr. Josch, why would that make a difference. If his clients are in fact hunting in someone else's hunting area, what happens to the clients trophies if the judgement goes against him ?

So who would be "getting the short end of the stick" in that case ?

As I said, if you think my information is incorrect, disregard it. You want to find out if it's true, make your own inquiry. Isn't that what has been said here many many times, "due diligence" when planning a safari?

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How many posts do you need to have credible information?

Whatever that number may be, are all your previous posts worthless?

The Shadow knows,

Sir your lack of posts means only that people haven't had time to get to know your knowledge base and personality. It doesn't mean a damn thing about what you know. The problem Mike Smith was alluding to and I would agree with is that some anonymous person comes on here and is willing to make a bold accusation about a person and his professional conduct if front of a bunch of his potential clients, but isn't willing to lay down any of the facts. I'm not saying anything is in fact wrong, but you're doing yourself and your message a disservice. So who has the concession rights to Essimingor FR? That's simple enough. Please answer.

Brett

RHS

Are you so sure about that?

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Originally posted by The Shadow knows:
RHS

TSK,

So is Essimingor FR the concession Robin Hurt Safaris calls Burko? Who has the concession rights to Mto Wa Mbu?

Brett

The Burko concession includes most of essimingor mountain - but not all IIRC.

Mto-wa Mbu has the rest and is leased by Intercon who sells quota to about anyone who cares to ask. My understanding is that Mr Josch buys 100% of the buffalo quota from Intercon and the right to hunt the Essimongor Mt part of the concession.

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:

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Originally posted by The Shadow knows:
RHS

TSK,

So is Essimingor FR the concession Robin Hurt Safaris calls Burko? Who has the concession rights to Mto Wa Mbu?

Brett

Naivasha ?

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
The Shadow knows,

Sir your lack of posts means only that people haven't had time to get to know your knowledge base and personality. It doesn't mean a damn thing about what you know. The problem Mike Smith was alluding to and I would agree with is that some anonymous person comes on here and is willing to make a bold accusation about a person and his professional conduct if front of a bunch of his potential clients, but isn't willing to lay down any of the facts. I'm not saying anything is in fact wrong, but you're doing yourself and your message a disservice. So who has the concession rights to Essimingor FR? That's simple enough. Please answer.

Brett

Brett,

Remind yourself this is a forum for the new and old.

Give him some slack.

Cheers

Andrew

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Guys,

I talked last evening with one of the participant in the video (shot a monster buff) and I asked the same questions about what area, what mountain and what safari company. I didn't get a really clear answer but I'm thinking they were in Mto Wa Mbu and I think this guy was working so hard from the fly camp on the mountain that he didn't think about much except the hunt. He may come on later and give his own report so I won't ruin that with anything further.

Mark

Mark,

What are the realistic chances of any client knowing if he was hunting in the assigned block
and within its prescribed boundaries?...virtually none! - he assumes his PH knows where he is and he "tags along".
Unfortunately not all PHs are respectful of their neighbour.

Some outfitters who have gone as far as nailing boundary marker boards on trees.

Good god boys, must every damn'd post here on AR result in some sort of controversy?...Shit!

I just want to know where this "place" is so that I can book a hunt there - that's it.

HELP!!!

Agreed.

Hell, there have been a couple of times when I was hunting that I wasn't even sure what COUNTRY I was in!

But I did manage to hold my fire until we figured it out!

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Originally posted by Jeff Wemmer:
I just want to know where this "place" is so that I can book a hunt there - that's it.

HELP!!!

There are some good buffalo there. A very physical hunt, quite rewarding.

Depending on when you arrange your hunt (date/year), either contact Mr. Josch or RHS. I'd recommend the later as they have the block according to GPS coordinates.

As I said, Mr. Josch's camp is not in (Niavasha's block) Mto Wa Mbu, nor is the area where he is hunting.

And that would in????

Fulvio,

Of course you are correct. Most of us just assume we are in the proper legal hunting area during our safari and give not a thought to the borders.

Mark

I have been quietly following this thread since Sunday evening. One of the participants in this latest hunting video is a good friend of mine. In fact, I strongly recommended that he visit with Reinhart Joesch at Reno last year and look into hunting this mountain buffalo, simply because of the aura of this type of hunt and the ethics portrayed in Joesch's first video production. I thought then and I still believe now that clambering around on the top of this mountain was a true hunt in every respect, and one that is getting harder to find in much of Africa or anywhere else. My friend didn't know that Reinhart was gearing up for another video, but as it turned out his safari from last October was part of Joesch'e new film.

My hunting friend spent 11 ball busting days of a 10 day hunt to close the deal on this buffalo. It was difficult and it was intense hunting. I gaurantee you that he didn't think about whether he was traspassing on top of that old volcano or not. He killed a very fine dagga boy with an exceptionally thick boss and has yet to measure the trophy. He doesn't care, but he has stated that it will take a very special place of honor in his trophy room because of the quality of the experience.

I haven't told him about this thread and I don't intend to. NO REASON to place a downer on a hunt of a lifetime, don't you think? It is astonishing to me that it so quickly went downhill from praise of the new video to something bordering on sinister and criminal.

I don't know Mr. Joesch, but from what I know about him and his hunts, he offers a unique and challenging perspective to safaris, not like riding the land rover, eh? There were some big name spnsors placing financial backing on this video production. His website is first rate and up to date, the first video must be about three years old now, meaning he's been tresspassing for a fair amount of time without recourse. You can damn near see Arusha from the top of Loosimigor and you can definitely see Ngorongoro Crater from the mountain top camp. It'not like he's hiding out in the swamp along the Ruvumu River now is it? Each of these hunts are accompanied by the Tanzanian game scout, as already pointed out, so where's the infraction?

If I was skinny and younger, I'd do this hunt in a heart beat, and with Joesch.

This hunt sounds to be right up my alley!

I surmise that if there was some sort of "illicit" activity going on the game scout would have blown the proverbial whistle, thus I conclude that the activities were legitimate.

Again, would appreciate it if somebody could put me in contact with the operator!

Thanks,

JW

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Originally posted by Jeff Wemmer:
Again, would appreciate it if somebody could put me in contact with the operator!

The mountain is apparhently encompassed by two concessions. Mto Wa Mbu has part of the mountain and Burko has the rest (most) of the mountain.

Rainer Joesch hunting Mto Wa Mbu (or where ever he's actually hunting):

http://www.wild-africa.net/

Robin Hurt Safaris hunting Burko:

http://robinhurt.com/

Brett

quote:

Originally posted by Jeff Wemmer:
I surmise that if there was some sort of "illicit" activity going on the game scout would have blown the proverbial whistle, thus I conclude that the activities were legitimate.

A very humorous statement.

quote:

Originally posted by Jeff Wemmer:
This hunt sounds to be right up my alley!


would appreciate it if somebody could put me in contact with the operator!

It is a challenging hunt. Very rewarding.

Legal and questionable contacts are listed above.

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Contact them both and ask each who owns what. I'm sure yo will get two answers.