Go | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply |
One of Us |
There have been several threads on the forum in the last several days regarding the Newsweek article that inappropriately blurs the distinction between hunters and poachers. https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1411043/m/595108907 Hunter Formerly Known as Texas Hunter sent the following letter to Newsweek and they are planning to run it in the letters to the editor feature: The decimation of wildlife in West and Central Africa is the sad reality of destruction of priceless creatures by criminals that violate law--bush hunters, poachers, rebel forces and tribal herdsmen poisoning lions, leopards and hyenas in national parks to protect their livestock illegally grazing in the park. Please distinguish between these illegal hunters and those that hunt non-threatened species legally. There is quite another story to be told of the billions of dollars infused into African economies such as that of Tanzania by the legal hunting industry. This industry has created a very high value on wildlife which is recognized by the citizens and government and has led to highly successful game management practices which are strictly enforced (to the extent anything is strictly enforced in Africa). Species populations in Tanzania, Namibia and South Africa, for example, are much larger now than just a few decades ago. To fail to distinguish between legal and illegal hunting and paint all hunting with such a broad brush is deceptive and damaging to one of the proven methods to preserve wildlife populations. Russell Reese Houston, Texas They have asked him to verify the following facts: 1) There is quite another story to be told of the billions of dollars infused into African economies such as that of Tanzania by the legal hunting industry. 2) Species populations in Tanzania, Namibia and South Africa, for example, are much larger now than just a few decades ago. Does anyone have any information/links he can use to provide the necessary verification? Thanks. Mike | ||
|
one of us |
I hope SCI gets all over this Jim "Bwana Umfundi" NRA | |||
|
One of Us |
Here is an Elephant link that might help. I glanced over it quickly. Don't know if it will help or not. stats link And another: sport hunting link And last but not least, A wealth of Links: Links Galore Hope these help! Global Sportsmen Outfitters, LLC Bob Cunningham 404-802-2500 | |||
|
One of Us |
I beleive Craig boddington in African Hunter II talked about wildlife benefits for South Africa now compared to three decades ago. Also just look at where the strongest remnant populations of Black Rhino. Hint: they aren't in national parks. | |||
|
One of Us |
He needs to get SCI to help with the response to make sure he gets it right. | |||
|
One of Us |
My understanding is that he did call SCI and they did not call him back. Not sure what to make of that. Mike | |||
|
One of Us |
Check out the Laikipia Predator Project, run by wildlife biologist Laurence Frank of the University of California, Berkeley. That's right - Berkeley, California. A quote from this link: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/10/06/MNG1UF392D1.DTL
And this article by Dr. Frank published in http://www.africanindaba.co.za/Archive07/AfricanIndabaVol5-3.pdf
A quote from this link: http://mvz.berkeley.edu/Laikipia_Predator_Article.html
In essence, hunting places a value on wild game making it a resource of value to local populations. With no value, game is merely a worthless competitor for food, water and land. And it is the hunter who funds that resource, And the hunter who has the in preserving game in its natural habitat. It is ironic that while hunters are vilified these days by erstwhile "animal rights" organizations, it is the hunter who stands as the ultimate conservationist. People like Teddy Roosevelt, who set aside millions of acres of land for wildlife habitat. SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
|
One of Us |
And a good article from national Geographic: Trophy Hunting Can Help African Conservation, Study Says http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070315-hunting-africa.html SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
|
One of Us |
Good stuff Jim, thanks. Thanks for the links too Cunningham. Mike | |||
|
One of Us |
Understand from Russell that SCI is engaged on the effort now. Mike | |||
|
One of Us |
I know I am being negative and I encourage everyone to keep writing, but what are the odds newsweek will even print the letter, and secondly whether it will be printed with the evidence that is provided. My other question is what do they require from thier other letter contributors? | |||
|
One of Us |
There is a study entitled Economic and Conservation signifigance of the trophy hunting industry in sub saharan Africa by P.A Lindsey from the University of Zimbabwe. It can be downloaded at Sciencedirect.com. An excellent report with facts and figures to back it up. The danger of civilization, of course, is that you will piss away your life on nonsense | |||
|
One of Us |
The letter was submitted, Newsweek responded that they intended to publish it, they provided Russell with a slightly edited version for him to approve, then asked to confirm the facts. Here is the full text of their last email: >From: "Lichtschein, Tilly" <tlicht@newsweek.com> >To: "russell reese" <russell_reese@hotmail.com> >Subject: RE: Letter to the Editor >Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:35:04 -0400 > >Russell, we check the facts in all the letters we run. While I don't >doubt their veracity, please provide verification for the following two >statements. Thanks, Tilly > >1) There is quite another story to be >told of the billions of dollars infused into African economies such as >that of Tanza nia by the legal hunting industry. > > >2) Species populations in Tanzania, Namibia and South Africa, for >example, are much larger now than just a few decades ago. Mike | |||
|
One of Us |
I am not sure it will add up to billions of dollars. It is certainly in the hundreds of millions, but most of these countries have a total revenue of only several billion dollars with actual exception of South Africa. One other thing that might be a valid point is practically all legal forward development in war torn Mozambique is connected to the hunting industry. It might make over two billion dollars. I know that several years ago that TP&W reported deer hunting was responsible for 1 billion dollars in revenue for the state. | |||
|
One of Us |
So, they fact check their letters to the editor but not their articles????? SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
|
One of Us |
In Zimbabwe dollars it might be trillions. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
|
One of Us |
Here is a link to an article about hunting revenues in the SADC states: http://www.africanconservation.org/dcforum/DCForumID5/388.html The importance of the game industry to the economies of some countries is phenomenal, particularly when non- consumptive (i.e. wildlife viewing) and consumptive (sport hunting, licensed resident hunting) are taken into account. For example, in the latter 1990s, Zimbabwe raised some USD254 million through sport hunting, followed by South Africa at USD140 million and Tanzania at USD100 million (Barnes, 1996; ZTA, 2001). In some instances, this contributed significantly to the GDP of certain countries, for example, sport hunting revenue in Zimbabwe contributed some 8% to the country’s GDP (ZCSO, 2000). In some countries, this income is expected to increase in the near future, possibly even double, even in the absence of government grants (Bond, 1997). With annual revenues of USD29.9 million in Tanzania, USD28.4 million in South Africa, USD23.9 million in Zimbabwe, USD12.6 million in Botswana and USD11.5 million in Namibia during the late 1990s, sport hunting is responsible for a large component of economic growth. Initially, most sport hunting revenue accrued to government and private landowners, however, more recently, an increasing proportion of such revenues has been apportioned between these two sectors and local communities. The anticipated growth of the sport hunting industry relies on several factors, namely the diversity of species on offer, the quality of trophy animals available and the quality of professional hunters and associated tourism services (Jackson, 1995). In 2001, South Africa was the only country that offered the ‘big five’ - elephant, rhino, buffalo, lion and leopard – as huntable species, but Tanzania was regarded as the most scenically beautiful destination with record-winning lion, leopard and buffalo trophies. Alternatively, Namibia offered the most cost-effective hunting of plains game and some unique endemic species, while Botswana and Zimbabwe consistently supplied the best quality elephant trophies. Accordingly, each country had something unique to market to potential hunters from around the world. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
|
One of Us |
Add some of those annual revenues up and you get more than US$100 million so ten years revenues is greater than a billion dollars. | |||
|
One of Us |
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070315-hunting-africa.html
SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
|
one of us |
Yea, right. Something is out of whack. JPK Free 500grains | |||
|
One of Us |
My take on this would be that the credit would not be in their (SCi's) name, so avoid helping an individual (Mr Russel Reese) making a positive statement. Sort of territorial wouldn't you say! Member NRA, SCI- Life #358 28+ years now! DRSS, double owner-shooter since 1983, O/U .30-06 Browning Continental set. | |||
|
one of us |
Gentlemen, I raise my glass in a toast to Russell Reese, who had the drive and tenacity to write a left-leaning, green magazine and state the facts about trophy hunting in Africa and to point out the benefits to the country, its' residents and its' wildlife. To Russell... cheers! On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
|
One of Us |
Thanks to loud-n-boomer and all of you that responded to his request. While I do not subscribe to Newsweek, this is the only way to get a "fair and balanced" statement to their readers. | |||
|
One of Us |
Thanks, on Russell's behalf, for all the great information provided by the posters above. Russell has compiled the information and shipped it off to Newsweek for them to review -- consistent with their rigorous editorial standards ( ). If and when he hears back from them I will let everyone know. Russell may not always be right, but he is never in doubt. This time he was right as well! Mike | |||
|
One of Us |
Latest correspondence: >From: "Lichtschein, Tilly" <tlicht@newsweek.com> >To: "russell reese" <russell_reese@hotmail.com> >Subject: RE: Letter to the Editor >Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:05:00 -0400 > >Russell, thanks for sending along the source material earlier. We had to >change "billions" to "millions" because couldn't find corroboration for >that high a figure. See sentence below am referring to. > > >There is > >quite another story to be told of the billions >of dollars infused into African economies >such as that of Tanzania by the legal hunting >industry. Russell also wanted to note that he did end up getting some info from SCI. Mike | |||
|
one of us |
Russell Reese Texas | |||
|
One of Us |
This would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. They take more time to vet the facts in a letter to the editor than they obviously took to vet an entire article spouting as fact that "hunters" were the ruination of Africa wildlife. $200 million per year is just "millions" (not hundreds of millions) even over 10 years it is indeed billions. But I digress. Good job, Russell! SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
|
One of Us |
WTG Russell! You might try involving the Professional Hunters Associations of said countries. They have a dog in this fight. Let's see how many legs they stand on. PH's...can you help Russell verify some facts? Will you help? Thanks, LDK Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
|
One of Us |
Perhaps David Hulme and Jimmy's story would help bend an ear at Newsweek? ~Ann | |||
|
Powered by Social Strata |
Please Wait. Your request is being processed... |
Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia