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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Saeed, please be fair with that accusation. Regarding the prepaid trophy fees, it was very limited. It was ONLY for clients that wanted to hunt in a concession CMS didn’t control at that time and it was ONLY for eland and zebra, IIRC, in that outfitters concession where that operator had limited quota for those species. That operator had clients wanting to hunt those species when they had been promised to CMS and others, requiring CMS to pre purchase the quota. CMS had a couple of clients change their minds upon arrival, No longer wanting to take those species, leaving CMS holding the bag for the trophy fees without subsequent clients lined up to pay for them.

It was the main reason Buzz got his knickers in the twist after a member here complained.

Buzz was very happy to get clients off AR.

Once he decided to become a crook - charging NON REFUNDABLE trophy fees is what crooks do.

And an AR member complained, he decided AR is not for him!

I have absolutely, positively, no respect for someone who lacks character to stand for what he does.

Or at least apologize for what he did!

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Originally posted by AilsaWheels:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
just do not know why I have been singled out as the bad guy and how this will affect future bookings on AR

fairgame,

Why is everything about you? The hubris and narcissism are mind blowing. Shouldn't your primary concern be getting your clients money back? Shouldn't your second concern be in showing empathy to a client who's father is dying and may now never be able to hunt Africa with his son. If you do those two things, all gets back close to normal.

I am not trying to be rude, but you have the ability to come off as crass and clueless sometimes.

You asked the question so I will try to answer it in blunt honesty.

1. Never post while drinking. Perhaps you haven't in either of these two threads. If so I apologize. Your writing in the early pages of the first thread certainly didn't come across as someone in complete control of their senses. The post I am answering doesn't seem coherent either.

2. Stay humble. "Yes it was my mistake for putting the money with Ibrahim but I am in communication with him and CME to try and get the money back as soon as possible". Then make sure and stay in touch with both parties regularly until CME is paid off. Don't make excuses. They don't work. Also don't have a pity party for yourself like the post I am responding to.

3. Don't lie or say things that can easily be disproven in text messages. You have had to eat your words way too many times on the previous thread to have credibility now.

4. Remember the rule of glass houses. When you live in a glass house, don't throw stones at Sam Farrow or Mike Jines. DON'T START A NEW THREAD THAT DOUBLES THE AMOUNT OF BAD PRESS YOU WILL RECIEVE REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH YOU THINK THE INDIVIDUAL YOU ARE ATTACKING DESERVES IT. It may feel great throwing a rock through their house but these two threads are destroying your home.

5. Remember the rule of holes. When you are in a hole and over your head, stop digging. This should have been evident after the first day of the first thread. See number 2 above and stay humble.

For the average AR member these threads have been entertaining. Probably the most entertaining topic on AR in the past couple of years. I keep getting commentaries on WhatsApp every day from friends asking if I have seen the latest thing posted. This can't be good for your reputation. There are multiple AR members like dogcat who have politely tried to tell you to stop being pompous and arrogant in your comments. Instead of listening to his advice you start a new thread.

I have nothing against you. I believe we communicated one time about your quota clean up hunt with Thor. I was going to be happy taking a tracker and still hunt a 200 meter wide belt of riverine brush a kilometer or two long for the entire week or 10 days, to have a chance at one of those amazing bushbucks Thor has but that quota was already spoken for. Would I consider a hunt like that now? I know people like Frostbit have had amazing hunts with you, but there are already way more amazing places and wonderful outfitters/ph's than I will ever get the time to hunt with in my lifetime.

As I said in the other thread. My heart goes out for everyone trying to make an honest living in Africa. This goes for you too Andrew. It is not easy. I have tried and failed.

I hope you can salvage your clientele and hunting reputation. To do that, first you need to get CME his money back.

Stay humble!

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Originally posted by the Pom:
This is the saddest of threads. CME'S comment that he can make more money but he can't make more time with his father tears at the heart. That is the main point.
I don't doubt for one moment that Andrew is doing everything he possibly can to pressure Ibi to repay the money as soon as possible. I do doubt that Ibi has still got the money or is in a position to pay at the moment. He is the problem.
Without trying to take sides I think we all realise the huge stress that Andrew is under at present. Royal Kafue, his life's work has been stolen off him and he faces very expensive litigation to get it back. He now has to take all the hunts he can get on other people's concessions to keep going. I wouldn't be surprised if he has had a drink or two before writing here.
I would hunt with him again any time.
CMS is a very fine company and I am looking forward to booking a hunt with them as soon as my wife's health allows.
Let he who is without fault amongst you cast the first stone, as Christ said.
Can we please put this shit fest to bed ? It won't get poor CME his money back any faster. It certainly won't help his father's situation. All it is doing now is trashing the reputations of Buzz and Andrew, two fine PHs.

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Originally posted by the Pom:
This is the saddest of threads. CME'S comment that he can make more money but he can't make more time with his father tears at the heart. That is the main point.
I don't doubt for one moment that Andrew is doing everything he possibly can to pressure Ibi to repay the money as soon as possible. I do doubt that Ibi has still got the money or is in a position to pay at the moment. He is the problem.
Without trying to take sides I think we all realise the huge stress that Andrew is under at present. Royal Kafue, his life's work has been stolen off him and he faces very expensive litigation to get it back. He now has to take all the hunts he can get on other people's concessions to keep going. I wouldn't be surprised if he has had a drink or two before writing here.
I would hunt with him again any time.
CMS is a very fine company and I am looking forward to booking a hunt with them as soon as my wife's health allows.
Let he who is without fault amongst you cast the first stone, as Christ said.
Can we please put this shit fest to bed ? It won't get poor CME his money back any faster. It certainly won't help his father's situation. All it is doing now is trashing the reputations of Buzz and Andrew, two fine PHs.

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Originally posted by the Pom:
This is the saddest of threads. CME'S comment that he can make more money but he can't make more time with his father tears at the heart. That is the main point.
I don't doubt for one moment that Andrew is doing everything he possibly can to pressure Ibi to repay the money as soon as possible. I do doubt that Ibi has still got the money or is in a position to pay at the moment. He is the problem.
Without trying to take sides I think we all realise the huge stress that Andrew is under at present. Royal Kafue, his life's work has been stolen off him and he faces very expensive litigation to get it back. He now has to take all the hunts he can get on other people's concessions to keep going. I wouldn't be surprised if he has had a drink or two before writing here.
I would hunt with him again any time.
CMS is a very fine company and I am looking forward to booking a hunt with them as soon as my wife's health allows.
Let he who is without fault amongst you cast the first stone, as Christ said.
Can we please put this shit fest to bed ? It won't get poor CME his money back any faster. It certainly won't help his father's situation. All it is doing now is trashing the reputations of Buzz and Andrew, two fine PHs.

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Originally posted by bcap:

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Originally posted by the Pom:
This is the saddest of threads. CME'S comment that he can make more money but he can't make more time with his father tears at the heart. That is the main point.
I don't doubt for one moment that Andrew is doing everything he possibly can to pressure Ibi to repay the money as soon as possible. I do doubt that Ibi has still got the money or is in a position to pay at the moment. He is the problem.
Without trying to take sides I think we all realise the huge stress that Andrew is under at present. Royal Kafue, his life's work has been stolen off him and he faces very expensive litigation to get it back. He now has to take all the hunts he can get on other people's concessions to keep going. I wouldn't be surprised if he has had a drink or two before writing here.
I would hunt with him again any time.
CMS is a very fine company and I am looking forward to booking a hunt with them as soon as my wife's health allows.
Let he who is without fault amongst you cast the first stone, as Christ said.
Can we please put this shit fest to bed ? It won't get poor CME his money back any faster. It certainly won't help his father's situation. All it is doing now is trashing the reputations of Buzz and Andrew, two fine PHs.

I agree hope the 2 post just stop and everyone realizes none of this is helping anyone. Hoping the money gets returned faster then planned and he gets to do another hunt with his dad.

I dont think andrew or buzz were trying to screw over any clients. It is just how african business can make a great plan turn to shit fast. Guys just need to stop thinking the hunting business is any different then other business. Shit can happen at anytime that is out of the control of good people trying to give you what you want and make a living.

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Once he decided to become a crook - charging NON REFUNDABLE trophy fees is what crooks do

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Originally posted by Charlie64:

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Once he decided to become a crook - charging NON REFUNDABLE trophy fees is what crooks do

Saeed, You are now calling Buzz a "crook" ?? Wow. From the posts where you lauded Buzz and CMS to outright calling him a crook in social media albeit your website. Thats a 180 degree shift if I have ever seen one. What a great shame.

These threads are just so sad and are so different to the AR of years ago. So much back stabbing and names and calling out and pointing fingers.

How about a big breather and we all get back to pro active hunting and supporting each other as hunters and bury the axe but not in each others backs !

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Originally posted by DCS Member:
This shitshow became shitshow 2x.

Alisawheels made a great post. However, it all boils down to if CME has been reimbursed. He has not been.

Andrew, you had a sterling reputation here. You’ve been booted from AH. You were on the top of my list of going to Zambia. I hate what happened to Royal Kafue. You may be hustling to get deals and get in the field again. That’s what hunters do and enjoy. I do believe you owe you honor and bond to get CME refunded. Your other clients were paid in full.

Shit, you created this separate thread. Bust your ass to make CME whole.

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Originally posted by Charlie64:

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Once he decided to become a crook - charging NON REFUNDABLE trophy fees is what crooks do

Saeed, You are now calling Buzz a "crook" ?? Wow. From the posts where you lauded Buzz and CMS to outright calling him a crook in social media albeit your website. Thats a 180 degree shift if I have ever seen one. What a great shame.

These threads are just so sad and are so different to the AR of years ago. So much back stabbing and names and calling out and pointing fingers. Mark Sullivan and Cal was always sort of amusing but this has gone to a whole new level.

How about a big breather and we all get back to pro active hunting and supporting each other as hunters and bury the axe but not in each others backs !

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Originally posted by dogcat:
More smoke...
One thing fixes this entire mess.... a refund.

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Instead of calling people out you should be working on the refund that you guaranteed.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Instead of calling people out you should be working on the refund that you guaranteed.

A guarantee on a refund does not necessarily have a time frame and a protracted delay on making a timely restitution could bear consequences in the form of an interest per day/week/month as yet to be established.

Nowhere has it been said or hinted that the owed amount has been refuted by the debtor.

It is also well understood that under normal circumstances there should be no delay in paying back money to a creditor though it should seem obvious by now that these funds are not immediately available for disbursement and therefore pointless howling about it.

Maybe a full disclosure on what has been agreed or disagreed upon by the parties will help in reducing all the speculation, finger-pointing and generally playing the blame game.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I changed my mind about Buzz due to changed behavior.

Gave him several opportunities to man up an apologize.

He did not have the balls to do so!

He was quick get into a huff, but not enough courage to man up to his mistakes!

A CROOK in every since of the word.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I changed my mind about Buzz due to changed behavior.

Gave him several opportunities to man up an apologize.

He did not have the balls to do so!

He was quick get into a huff, but not enough courage to man up to his mistakes!

A CROOK in every since of the word.

Most guys with balls will refuse to apologize when no apology is warranted. While you might be personally offended and butt hurt that he refused to kowtow to you like many others, that's your problem not Buzz's.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I changed my mind about Buzz due to changed behavior.

Gave him several opportunities to man up an apologize.

He did not have the balls to do so!

He was quick get into a huff, but not enough courage to man up to his mistakes!

A CROOK in every since of the word.

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Originally posted by Texas Blue Devil:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I changed my mind about Buzz due to changed behavior.

Gave him several opportunities to man up an apologize.

He did not have the balls to do so!

He was quick get into a huff, but not enough courage to man up to his mistakes!

A CROOK in every since of the word.

Why would he need to apologize to you??

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I wonder how many here would pay NON REFUNDABLE trophy fees??

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It happens with buying packages including animals all the time.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I wonder how many here would pay NON REFUNDABLE trophy fees??

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I wonder how many here would pay NON REFUNDABLE trophy fees??

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I wonder how many here would pay NON REFUNDABLE trophy fees??

That is exactly what I had to do the last time I went to Botswana.

This entire matter was raised by 30-06 King who ultimately did go on safari with CMS. He had a great hunt with them.


CMS explained their position . Ultimately, they changed their policy and charged no one up front . Having been to Nyakasanga, I can tell you the chances of not getting a zebra are close to zero.

Not everyone here likes CMS. That is their right to have that opinion . Others do like CMS. That is also their right to have that opinion . Similarly, it is our right to form an opinion on Andrew. Personally, I’d go again with CMS . After this debacle, particularly the flat out misrepresentations,I have formed my opinion on hunting with Andrew. I would also be very careful about going to Zambia.

It boggles my mind that Andrew started this thread. It has not helped his position in my view.

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I wonder how many here would pay NON REFUNDABLE trophy fees??