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I don't care if they do does fix it. I would NEVER book with them. NEVER. Jeff | |||
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Same here | |||
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Looks that the loss to Sango will turn out to be a lot be more than 17. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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I missed the original post, but I got the gist of it from following posts. Personally, I would never use someone who did this to me. There are too many places to hunt, both in Zim, and worldwide with honorable people to give them another shot at screwing you over. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Glad they are trying to work it out, Larry. I can see where if there are communication issues (and there are in Zim) that they might have thought you were not "in" and would take a different booking, but they should have been more proactive in trying to fix it once it became obvious that an error was made. I also suspect if you did not have so many friends and folks who know you in Zim that you might well have been told tough luck, and the potential public black eye here would not help them either. | |||
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You know Jeff, there is a reason we are friends. | |||
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I am out as well. I had planned a booking there for 2018. There are very good options right next door to this camp. | |||
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When I was in the Hammond this year my PH mentioned Sango as a possible return trip. Not now. "Never, ever, book a hunt with Jeri Booth or Detail Company Adventures" | |||
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Exactly!!! | |||
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It is low rent and there will be far reaching reprecussions from this. Jeff | |||
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Larry.. what animals are you wanting to hunt on this trip? | |||
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Buff and PG. I had also inquired about their elephant. The biggest thing was to take my wife to a place with an incredibly nice lodge, tons of game and go at a time of the year when it would not be too hot. This lodge is second to none. | |||
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+1 more! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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While I only want this to work out the way Larry wants - I had looked here before if we decided to go back and hunt in Zim. Just for the nice surroundings. But I am pretty sure I didn't save it and I won't be looking at in the future either. | |||
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Run by idiots who should never be patronized! | |||
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Wow, this is surprising. I've hunted Sango 5 times and had great experiences every time I know Larry a little. I know the Sango people and the outfit who runs the hunts. All of the parties are good people from what I can tell and I bet this gets resolved to Larry's satisfaction so condemning them before it runs its course seems a little premature. Just my .02. If Larry gets bumped or can't figure out a workable solution then flame away but it seems as if some miscommunication may be involved as well. Hope it works out, Larry, you have definitely been a great customer in the past. | |||
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Actually, no one condemn them. THEY did it themselves, by their utterly unacceptable behavior. You have hunted there and had a good experience is great. They should have kept that track record, instead of trying to screw a paying client just because someone wants the same time slot and is paying more. I have my own black list of companies NEVER to deal with, and this is a perfect example to add them to it. | |||
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Just from a business aspect it is totally unethical. If they had contacted Larry and explained a possible conflict and ASKED him if it was alright to reschedule then worked agreeably from there it would have been a very different case. That would have been the considerate and ethical thing to do and Larry might have been able and willing to work something out with them. Instead, it sounds like they just threw him under the bus. . | |||
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All I'm saying is there may be some misinformation involved. If Larry gets bumped for a bigger group that is BS. But I don't think the verdict is in yet so I think it's prudent to see where this ends up before hailing the firing squad. I knew I should have kept my mouth shut. | |||
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Your statement is well balanced and debate is all about voicing your personal opinions. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Exactly. And our opinions and future actions are based on what we see and hear. And so far we have not heard anything positive from them. "They are working on it" means absolutely nothing. Raising it in the first instance was a terrible mistake. There is nothing to stop them telling exactly why they did this to Larry. | |||
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Unlike many, or so it seems, I did not see Larry's initial post before he deleted it. I trust that, since Larry has made this public, he will let us know how all of this works out. Until then, I will not shoot, but only keep my powder dry. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Gentlemen: I will make the end result public, probably sooner rather than later. At this point, I have not received a response to my e mails. Granted, one of those e mails was just sent last night our time. At this point, we are pursuing a hunt in the BVC. I can't go before this large group. I sure do not want to go after it. Frankly, Shootaway brings up a good point about the reception we might receive there. He is right. | |||
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I think Brent Hein runs BVC.If so,although I have not hunted with him I did meet him at SCI and he seems an OK guy. I may not have been on that many hunts but it sure is nice when there are smiling faces around during precious times or a much valued hunt. | |||
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Right you are George. | |||
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If they had any business ethics, this would never have been made public in the first place. | |||
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Greed. Plain and simple. Short term money grab versus long term devastating consequences. Jeff | |||
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The GMs response to me REALLY pissed me off. His words may come back to bite him shortly. I want to make one thing 100% clear. Jonny Hulme & Theirry Labat do some Sango hunts. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with them. | |||
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The owner just called. He was not happy. Things are moving. | |||
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You are being upgraded to second class? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Let me say that I am much happier after the conversation than I was before. A long post had been prepared. I will hold off now . | |||
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The BVC is an absolutely wonderful place. You could not go wrong spending your safari there, with any of the PHs that hunt it, including but not limited to Shawn Buffee, Martin Nel, John Sharp, Brent Hein, Mark Bristow and Peter Ficke, among others. | |||
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Thing like internet and AR Keeps businesses in line some One thing about doing business, be upfront and transparent and if there is screwup, then own up to it. Shit happens, but when business stalls, well, they have to live with it... Prime examples are taxidermy businesses in Africa, many of them don't seem to like to give out price lists until they have your trophies in hand That should be absolute must for outfitters and agents alike, no excuses I wonder why is that... " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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With all due respect, screw him. Jeff | |||
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A big +1 to that to Larry about BVC and I would add Nigel Theisen to the list of PHs for BVC. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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+1 to that. Nigel's a first rate chap. I spent some time with him on a hunt in Maswa , Tanzania | |||
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Larry, I hope that it works out for you!. From what a number of PH'S have told me , the lodge at Sango is head and shoulders better than anything else in Zim. The ideal place to share an African experience with a wife/family. Hunting wise I'm sure the BVC is comparable, but lodgings are probably more important when wanting to take the better half when they arn't really into hunting. I myself was looking at this very same scenario to take my wife and young children to introduce them to Africa and hunting. Keep us posted Larry, AND GOOD LUCK. Cheers Nick PS This is the lodge owned by Willy Papp the German shipping guy? | |||
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Actually his last name is Pabst but yes, that is him. Willy knew nothing of this until today. I am going to give him the opportunity. I think that is reasonable. I sometimes find out one of my employees has done something that I did not know about. I am still not happy but happier than I was this morning. I drafted a long post complete with e mails that I was going to post at 5 PM today. The post and related documentation paint a really clear picture of what happened. These are others people words, not mine. I am going to wait. I do know one thing. I think nothing would have happened were it nor for this thread on AR. | |||
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Larry, please continue to keep us informed. I am sure there are many (like myself) that have(had?) Sango on our list of "possibles" but want to avoid a nightmare like you have (almost) had at all costs. I, for one, are grateful that you brought this to all of our attention on AR and also admire the class act way you are handling everything. "Never, ever, book a hunt with Jeri Booth or Detail Company Adventures" | |||
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