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No problem getting 25 initial members mate!!  I am good for 8-10, I reckon!!A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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The number of required members is not a problem. May be it is time to start working on the constitution? | |||
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With all due respect, how is the creation of another SCI chapter, even if it's cyber in origin, actually going to change anything at SCI? It will be another chapter "donating" a mandatory 30% of the hard earned raised funds to the "Mother Ship" that most everyone in this thread has criticism of and has stated doubt that there will ever be change. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I think it's great that a like minded group might form via the web to promote hunting and conservation. But that "Chapter" would have no greater influence on the SCI Board of Decision makers than the Alaska Chapter might. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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What you say is correct - that one chapter cannot have greater influence on the Board decisions than any other chapter.... but .... what other chapter would engage discussion with the www (members and non-members in an open forum - as we are planning to do? The influence may go well beyond influencing the Board. We can influence other chapters and chapter members from this place - just for starters. I am sure AR does that already - but this will hopefully be a little more structured. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Matt, What color glasses are you wearing today? Theory VS reality are very different in the real world. If you are not a part of the core inside group, you are like the majority of members on the out side with your nose pressed against the window looking in. Members are allowed to provide feedback, however the leaders are not obligated to use that feedback that was provided to them, no mater how sound the feedback was. Just look at the current African Lion debate, sounder minds than ours have provided information and still the leaders decided to do nothing was the best course of action for the organization. So you either join or you let you membership expire, the choice that an individual member can make yearly. There are pros and cons in every business and members need to balance there decisions on observed behavior. Many times have i let my yearly membership expire from groups that i have been a member of due to the action of the govern board. Some groups i have rejoined and some will never see another penny of mine. JM2C  >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You've got the strongest hand in the world. That's right. Your hand. The hand that marks the ballot. The hand that pulls the voting lever. Use it, will you" John Wayne | |||
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There are those who do and those who don't. Remember the Theodore Roosevelt quote about "The Man in the Arena"? If not, here it is: It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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JM - Thanks for the negative attitude on this!! Folks just trying to do something different and positive here regarding SCI. Maybe it will work, maybe not, but sitting and bitching sure won't get it, huh? Leaving a group because the Board doesn't suit your thinking is a little lame. Maybe pitching in, making some changes as this endeavor is trying to do would be a better answer?  Guess we won't count on your help. That's OK as I know a number of good New Mexico people who will be glad to support this effort. Have a great day. Larry Sellers SCI(International)Life Member Sabatti 'trash' 9.3 X 74R Shooter Blaser R8 DRSS
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Interesting you should raise the African Lion thing... the leaders actually did plenty - just not what they were being pushed to do. Don't believe everything you read on AR. SCI chose a different tact and to directly fight the anti's Petition. People got upset that SCI chose its own path in this. We can influence SCI - you just don't know it yet. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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I'll pay that!!! A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Aye, Matt Count me in. It would be most interesting to be part of a chapter whose membership is worldwide. For a name, how about SCI Worldwide Chapter? I truly believe that it will work and most likely be an exceptional influence within the parent organization. The caliber of the potential membership speaks for itself. Geoff Shooter | |||
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+1 ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, duke of York ". . . when a man has shot an elephant his life is full." ~John Alfred Jordan "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." Cicero - 55 BC "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand Cogito ergo venor- KPete “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.” ― Adam Smith - “Wealth of Nations” | |||
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Aye ! "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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OK - looks like we've got the go-ahead.  I have the documents here.Saeed is going to set-u the forums for this when I ask him to. What I need right now is some people to nominate to serve on a foundation committee. Need to go through all the documents and see where we are headed. Who can assist with this please? Post here or PM. I need about four people or more, beside myself. I think Saeed said he would help. Is that correct Saeed? A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Oh - I forgot to mention. I am anticipating rolling online committee meetings, in a committee room. That way items can be tabled and committee member have x-number of days to discuss/respond, etc. This works very well and hopefully we can fit this method into the constitution. These procedings are archived of course - which makes the job of the secretary very easy!! A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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I am excited to serve in any capacity, except secretary or treasurer. "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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Great Idea! I am for it and happy to help in any way if required. I do see potential issues with the parent organization. But if Matt has got the inside track, it might just be an avenue for SCI to evolve into a more popular & less exclusive club. BTW - who is going to be the chairman of the Awards committee?  "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Namely? Tell me how SCI is exclusive? Where you refused membership for some reason? What makes you say SCI isnt popular either? Growing membership would say that it is very popular. It might seem unpopular on AR but there are very many members who do not post positive commentary on SCI because they dont want to be ridiculed by certain vocal members. SCI is very popular among iinternational hunters. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Matt I do not want to get into an argument. Let us just say that you being an Aussie & a Professional outfitter / guide - you should know the BIG, HUGE, GIGANTIC difference between being a SCI member & NZ Deerstalkers Assn member or similar Aussie club. I suppose one could draw an analogy - A bit like having a beer in the local pub versus being a member of some posh club ... or a 5 star hotel bar ...... How many average trade workers and farm hands are members of SCI? Even when I was in management and earned a good wage I would not have become a member of such an exclusive club. Regarding the parent organization, their elitist image and the "inner circle" status alone would (purely in my opinion) make them uncomfortable of the scrutiny & publicity they could get on AR. * Would an AR / "cyber chapter" have a records & measurement committee with awards etc.? * Would Saeed sign his name to that, given his well known opposing views on the matter? * Would SCI be comfortable with a "Cyber chapter" that is actually opposed in philosophy to the parent organization in terms of records & awards? * Would the "cyber chapter" also have a convention & fundraising? I am sure others could think up of more potential issues. I still like the idea and I am happy to assist, only because it is AR & it is a truly international forum. The idea of being even more involved with this community in hunting matters just appeals to me. I have made many friends here but met very few of them. However I correspond with many. I have actually hunted with one AR member! "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I thought this idea of an online chapter was going to be a good idea, but it appears it is going to be a shit throwing contest before it gets off the ground, I hope I am wrong. | |||
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You do not want to start an argument eh??  SCI has very many blue-collar workers, I have met hundreds of them and hunted with dozens of them. Your snide remarks directed at 'SCI members' is noted. As for me 'knowing' the difference. How about you speak for yourself, eh? Most of your dot points are for the members to decide, not you. SCI chapters do not keep their own record books. Participation in SCI record books and awards is up to individual members, not chapters. I am certainly not going to pre-empt what our members will want to do. Saeed can do as Saeed wants to do. The fact he has put his hand up to actually assist speaks volumes to me. Aside from that I am not at all interested in your 'potential issues'. Take them somewhere else. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Keep the faith!!! A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Nakihunter, you would probably want to stay away from this project as to be a member of any local chapter you need to be a member of SCI. So it probably serve all (you included) for you to stay away. I would think more of you if you did vs throwing shit at every turn. Also a cyber chapter would be the same as a "brick and mortar" chapter. This cyber chapter would have to follow all SCI requirements, unless you are forming a totally new organization i e like DSC. | |||
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I think you can be a chapter member without joining SCI itself. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Matt, I don't think so. SCI bases each chapter assessments based on chapter size and they have that by the membership rolls. You can be a member of SCI and not affiliated with any chapter. The longer I read the posts and the thoughts that started this idea truly makes me believe this won't be a success. All local chapters I am familiar with have as their MAIN focus is a local project i e Safari Wish or wet lands preservation etc. not the over through of the national organization. I mat be wrong but that is what (to me) this cyber chapter is all about. | |||
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Matt, I'm still interested. Would like to see where this goes. Gordon SCI Life Member NRA Benefactor Member | |||
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Matt….. unless it changed and I missed it, you have to be a member of SCI to join a chapter. As for projects……… up to the chapter members once they actually have some money to put towards something. It could be anything and as an international cyber chapter it would certainly have lots of options. Heck the chapter could pick Andrew's anti-poaching needs as the project to help fund at Royal Kafue as an example……… would be sort of AR related. Lots of options but the chapter has to get off the ground first. Could start a whole new direction for chapters as there are thousands of SCI members who do not belong to chapters due to where they live. ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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Chapter membership (sign-on and fees) is separate to SCI membership. Chapter membership is a choice. If SCI approves this cyber Chapter it will be up to Chapter members to determine where fundraising efforts go. Yes most Chapters work locally but it is up to us to make this work in an international sense. Over-throwing the 'national' organisation is not a factor in any way, it has not been mentioned. All that has been said is that the Chapter would get represention on the Board. This would allow us to put forward our members wishes/ideas/etc and to report SCI activities back to members and interested readers on AR. Nothing at all to do with over-throwing anybody. This will only be a success if we make it a success. Obviously SCI management is monitoring this discussion and what is said here may well determine if this is given the 'green light'. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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FYI These are the names that have been suggested. I think we will have to submit all or most of them to SCI and let them choose which one/s they will approve. 1. Online Chapter 2. Remote Chapter 3. Access Chapter 4. Cyber Chapter 5. WWW Chapter 6. Worldwide Chapter 7. Global Chapter 8. Frontier Chapter 9. New Frontier Chapter If anyone wants to add any - just let me know. Personally 6. and 7. sound good but I dont think they stand a snowflakes chance in hell of being approved!!! A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Thanks mate! I almost spilled my coffee on t5he keyboard! I just got on the forums, and this what I see YOU posting!  Are you finally catching on that SCI will refuse anything that makes sense  | |||
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Here is a suggestion for the name The Negativity Chapter.  | |||
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Ed, I think that description fits SCI headquarters more than any chapter  | |||
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Saeed, thank you for making my point better than I ever could. | |||
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Hi, i like the idea and would consider to join. We certainly need to team up in these times.However I would really like to know what other advantes this would bring members other then just a dialog. There is certainly a need for more pro-hunting publicity in the digital world. Cheers, Dennis | |||
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Matt, How about International Cyber Chapter? | |||
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Like this one. ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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I think the issue SCI will have with us using the words International, Global, Worldwide etc - is that it infers some all-powerful chapter. SCI didnt really want to do this at all, as two other attempts at non-area specific chapters had not been a success before. I had to convince them to give US a chance.... 'Prodding' them will not work. The concept was for a 'remote' chapter and a name around that or 'internet based' will most likely be approved. It is not normal that a Chapter would be formed in such a public place as this either. This is all ground-breaking stuff for SCI as far as I see it. Can you see my point? When you add the 'International' bit it is likely to meet with serious opposition. Not from the hierachy so much but from other chapters. Why would SCI piss other chapters off, for the sake of our 'whim' (and that is all it is at present) - to form a non-exclusive chapter that is accessible to anyone in the world? Lots of things in SCI works Saeed. Lots of SCI Chapters work incredibly well. See my comments above. I am just telling the truth as I see it. Let's not scuttle this ship - give it a go. Work with SCI, not against it. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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The dialog and engagement with the parent body is really the key Dennis. I mean look at the wealth and depth of hunting and conservation knowledge that we have right here on AR - it is staggering to me!!! It is a veritable who's-who of the hunting world - and especially those who want to engage the public, beyond their own personal benefit. This Chapter will (surely could) give us a launch-pad right into SCI and beyond, especially those who do not have an SCI Chapter close-by to assist with that. This is one of the reasons why the Chapter name is so important. Beyond that - what are the other reasons that hunters join SCI Chapters in the first place? A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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