After 8 trips to Africa I have not run into a sloppy drunk or a prohibitionist and don't care to encounter either. D99 has it about right IMO.

Well....I've never been too drunk to fish.

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Originally posted by RBHunt:
Well....I've never been too drunk to fish.

I have once when I was in college!!!

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Originally posted by wombat:
So PLEASE guys,for my sake,drink more when on safari so the they don't treat us Aussies as freaks.

Ha ha. I heard one story of a group of Aussie miners in Africa on safari and several cases of beer a day were consumed ... they even brought their own truckload of it.

There is another guy whom is an elderly hunter whom is drunk before breakfast and where cleaning the crap out of his pants might be an unpleasant added job for the PH ... However I know one PH was given a nice Merkel double rifle as a tip at the end of the hunt in thanks. Was it worth it?

BTW this guy went home from one safari with only one animal shot as a result.

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BTW this guy went home from one safari with only one animal shot as a result.

Went home or was sent home?

ozhunter,

Actually two different hunts. One in Africa where everyone got out of the cruiser when the smell started and the PH was a bit upset. I think a giraffe was shot on that hunt and the PH may have finished it off. Nothing else was hit. I don't think much hunting went on. The client looked like being on his last legs when I saw him.

The other was not in Africa and I think after the last African trip. The PH said he felt sorry for the guy. He scored the DR at the end of the hunt so it went to someone who would use it.

I'll tell you about it one day or PM me. You may know or know of the persons mentioned.

Moderation is the name of the game.
Sometimes I will drink just fruit jiuce or water or soda, and then sometimes have a glass of wine or a couple of beers after the day is done.
A finger of fine scotch and a cigar also have a place in camp.
I want to be able to enjoy my clients and their experience, and over indulging is no fun IMO.
Besides it hurts like hell the next day.
If my client is a teetotaller, then it is no skin off my nose to be the same.

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Moderation is the name of the game.
Sometimes I will drink just fruit jiuce or water or soda, and then sometimes have a glass of wine or a couple of beers after the day is done.
A finger of fine scotch and a cigar also have a place in camp.
I want to be able to enjoy my clients and their experience, and over indulging is no fun IMO.
Besides it hurts like hell the next day.
If my client is a teetotaller, then it is no skin off my nose to be the same.

I agree 100%. I have had some teetotallers for clients, one of them a Mormon (hope my spelling is OK?) father and daughter, and although they encouraged us to drink a few beers without them, I mostly refrained from it. It felt really uncomfortable to drink alone, I cannot imagine what a client feels if his PH drinks NOTHING...

Karl, if my PH chooses not to drink that is his choice. I enjoy a nip of the evening and bring my own just to be sure there is the nectar in camp. Last year after taking my Leopard I was the only one in camp sober (not counting the native staff) and they were all up and ready to go early the next morning. I don't mind a person partying hard if the can get up in the morning and hunt like they partied.

Brian

In my business socializing, dinner, and drinks are a pretty regular event. The non-drinker sticks out like a sore thumb and so does the drunk. Being able to handle 5-6 drinks is about perfect where you are being social but well under control.

I would be most confortable if the PH had something to drink but was always in control and knew his limits, whatever they might be.

A good PH will drink in moderation when he has a drinking client, he will also not drink when his client does not, much the same as a booking agent..As some have said moderation is the answer to about everything..

I've actually thought about this before, and I can't understand why someone would spend a boatload of money to go to Africa to get plastered! I can get drunk for much cheaper at home, but I can't hunt the fantastic species of Africa there. I'm not saying to turn into a nun while on Safari, Africa has some very good beer, wine, and liquors (e.g. Amarula), but I wouldn't dare drink to the point where it even slightly impacted my hunting.

As for the PH, I would expect the same conduct of them. I'm not one to tell a grown man how to drink, but if it impacts his performance on MY hunt, somebody's getting their ass beat. A tasteful use of alcohol can make the hunt more relaxing, but if I want to hang out at a frat party, I'll go to one.

I don't drink alcohol of any kind, mostly for health reasons. Most of my friends (including my wife) are social drinkers and I have absolutely no problem with social drinking in the hunt camp. I do believe that any drinking should only occur after the guns have been put away for the day. This applies equally to both my hunt companions and hunt staff.

I draw the line at drunkeness. I find it personally offensive and a waste of my time. As can be imagined, heavy drinkers find me a drag on their "fun". Heavy drinkers and light/non-drinkers are better off seeking their own respective levels when it comes to hunting trips. This is the case for hunting companions, and it is especially true for hunt staff. Running a hunting operation with hunters in camp is a 24/7 business, and in my experience, heavy drinking amongst camp/hunting staff shows up in a sloppy operation.

I don't judge those with different drinking habits than my own. Each of us should be free to choose our own lives. I just don't want to be around intoxicated people.

As I always say, if you can't hold your liquor, then give it to me and I'll hold it.

In moderation, of course.

I don't drink much on hunting trips, simply because I'm physically tired.

For me, alcohol isn't an issue unless it becomes one.

I went to Sweden in 1995 to learn some new neurosurgical techniques. They served beer in the physicians cafeteria, and most surgeons had at least one with lunch.

In 1997 I went to England to see a patient I had treated while she was in the US, and to discuss follow-up treatments with her neurosurgeons. Her surgeon took me to lunch, downed 2 pints of beer, and then went back to the hospital to clip an aneurysm (intracranial).

Alcohol affects different people differently.

Garrett

I am glad im not a ph it must be very difficult for a grown man to be told like a child what he may or may not do. you trust him with DG but you cant trust him with a drink. i drink at least 2 drinks and smoke 20 a day. IMHO guys that behave like angels has big skeletons in their closets.

the best part is most guys i hunt with can have a good party and still perform the next day

Given the age of many of the customers, and the remote locations of many of the camps, I would think that they would be interested in having a PH that was able to a. provide aid and b. co-ordinate a dust off in the event of a medical emergency. I would prefer to have that person sober but your mileage may vary.

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Originally posted by 375 fanatic:
I am glad im not a ph it must be very difficult for a grown man to be told like a child what he may or may not do. you trust him with DG but you cant trust him with a drink. i drink at least 2 drinks and smoke 20 a day. IMHO guys that behave like angels has big skeletons in their closets.

+1
Brian

NGarret: What they were drinking in Sweden was probably not beer(which in my book has an alcohol level of 4.5% and up) but rather "folköl" which is just brown water with bubbles...Swedish hospitals are, to my knowledge, very restrictive on alcohol.

As for hunting and spirits: I always bring my own whiskey to camp and I look forward to a couple of drinks every evening. Befpre that I´ve had beer or wine with my meal.

For me drinking in moderation is part of the trip.

Cewe,

It was most definetly alcoholic beer, but not that 7% (and stronger) stuff the Swedes love.
They described it as "American style" beer.

They kept it in an ice filled bowl at the center of the table.
Help yourself.

Garrett

I hate being around falling down drunks but I am equally certain that being around someone who thinks 1 or 2 but certainly not 3 alcoholic drinks (and not more than 80 proof, lest we forget) is the permitted correct amount for an afterhunt evening campfire would be excruciating, not because of his alcohol consumption views but because of the mindset it represents. Since we basically metabolize one drink an hour and most evening campfires with meal last about 3-4 hours, I'd start getting worried if someone drank more than 6 in a hurry. Until then and only then if they got obnoxious (most don't) I'll let an adult decide what he wants to do.

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Originally posted by lawndart:
I spent many years in the military doing high stress jobs. Most eeryone drank alcohol. I go t hammered on Bourbon street in New Orleans on a Saturday in 1983. I was unable to fly my jet fighter safely until three days later. It was an easy choise to forego strong spirits in exchange for much improved performance in the jet, and with the girls my age.

I don't give a hoot what every one does to unwind in the evening. Sucking down booze is unnaceptable during hunting hours - It is unsafe, I'll butt stroke the PH, collect my money and be on my way. I will not hunt with a hung over bloke the next morning. When I pay good money, I want good service. I don't preach, I just want to hunt. I am not looking for a pious sort at all, Just a sober man.

My definition of a reasonable compromise is two drams around the Mopane fire at night.

If there are any fairly steady PH's out there that hold views, and practie actions similar to my own, I would be interseted in hearing from you.

Many thanks for your forebearance, and possible interest in a hunt.

LD

PS I'm looking for someone who is merciless in his evaluation of my shooting style and proficiency.

Although I have not run into an alcohol problem in camp, I have heard of it. There are reports of be a handful of PHs out there who may drink excessively each night, but that seems to be a rarity. More common are the clients who drink too much in the evening and stay up too late to hunt effectively the next day. Personally I will skip the alcohol, go to bed early, and try to get the most out of my hunt. Regarding the few PHs who have developed a habit of consuming too much drink, I wonder if that can be attributed to years of clients wanting to booze it up with the PH night after night. All of us are victims of our circumstances, to one extent or another.

I think this is somewhat like defining an alcoholic. The definition doesn't include any particular volume consumed per day, just whethter someone keeps drinking to the point of having adverse effects (health, legal, social)and continues to do so.

I'll enjoy the sundowners, but if I find I'm hungover the next morning I'm not going to drink as much the next one, if at all. I expect the same from the PH.

Just as an aside, when I'm on call I don't drink at all, even the non-alcoholic beer. What would you think if your surgeon came to the ER even smelling of beer? What if a bad result occurred? Sure that was O'Doulls you were drinking.

Hmmm...I agree on the moderation, but I too object to the actual limit that is being set. Not only does alcohol affect all people differently, it can and does affect the same person differently at different times.

I know seasoned drinkers that handle alcohol very very well, I know alcoholics that aren't straight after just a couple of drinks. I personally like to drink, I like the taste of many liquors. But I don't like to drink by myself so often don't drink for weeks. When I do drink I can tell if I am on or off, an on time being what me and my friends call "being in the zone" where you can drink a surprising amount without it hitting you. other times I have a couple and start to feel it.

What does all that mean? That people need to be responsible and decide for themselves. I would agree that saying something like,"I don't care about drinking, as long as you're 100%" in the morning is understandable. Or if you aren't a drinker and prefer they don't drink at all to request they don't drink. But to allow it but set a limit I don't go in for.

Many times there is drinking that goes on for me that is work related, meaning those after meeting "meetings", the places where often times real stuff gets done. What I have noticed middle aged to older crowd tend to be fine, the younger ones are the people we have trouble with. they are the ones that don't make it to the meeting the next day, or don't look too good if they do show up. granted, I have had some nights that were overdone, but if I were hunting for instance, I would not be partying like I do when I am with friends at a bar or bbq. I love the idea of kicking back with a cigar and a couple of drinks, or five if I am handling it well, but I'd definitely keep a mind to the next days work.

Other things that I consider just as important are sleep deprivation and prescription meds. not enough sleep can cause a person to be just as bad off their game as drinking too much. (I have a 20mo. old and a 5 week old at home, so I have been dealing with some short sleep nights). Also meds. I have a prescription for a weak muscle relaxer called flexiril (spelling?), I only take it at night, and only if I plan on going to bed by 8-8:30 (4 hours early for me). why? because that little tiny pill kicks my butt, not muscle wise but knocks me out cold. it is like a sleeping pill. if I take it too late in an evening I am not fucntioning at full capacity till midmorning.

In short, I would go by recommendation for a PH that had a reputation of not overdoing things and always being ready, but if I am going to drink I am not going to tell him where his limit is. If we were sittnig around and it looked like he was getting too far in I would suggest we hit the sack so we were fresh in the morning. If he did get out of hand I would make an issue of it. but again, he's an adult I am trusting with my life in the field, I damn well better trust him with his own limits in camp.

Just my opinion.

And by the way, I went to a wedding last summer. I respect a couples wishes when they don't want alcohol at the wedding, but this was in my opinion not the right way to handle it. they had a bar open, but you paid everything, sodas were like 1.50 or so, and you could have wine. but no beer or liquor. that made no sense. You can drink but only approved drinks, which you are paying for anyways. crazy. I just had water.

Red

I have refrained from commenting on this thread because, as an attorney, I am a member of a profession that prohibits my participation in drinking games because of professional status. There is a reason they call it The Bar.

I readily admit I drink after taking an animal in celebration (never more than one beer and never while pursuing DG,); when I miss an animal, a beer in sorrow; at the end of the day a "wee dram" in camp to cut that dreadful African dust; and, of course, after we have taken our bag limit, ie, the hunt is really over, a good party. Between the duty free and liquor store on the way to camp, if the truck is a full size Land Cruiser, we can generally manage our gear, gun cases, and spirits.

Many of us work(ed) very hard; don't(didn't) have that much time away from work; and a hunt is not just a matter of taking animals, but a social occasion in a setting where we can decompress. And if one succeeds, then its OK. I have found that ph's are real pros and do not let their drinking (or ours) interfere with their duties.

I have noted, however, on five of the last six airline trips that I have taken of several hours duration that the crew have had to ask for medical assistance from doctors on board. In almost every case it has been because a passenger had adult beverage(s) which, in combination with the altitude and other medication, had caused a severe reaction. Several of these have been really serious looking. I carefully watch my consumption now when aloft and highly recommend others to do so. Kudude

I only drink when I am alone or when I am with somebody

My first safari was a last minute thing in 1998 to Zimbabwe. The PH was a freelancer who would rather fish than hunt. He was also having woman troubles with his girlfriend from RSA which is a story unto itself.

I killed my buffalo in the first hour of the first day and the next day he attempted to set a new speed record for driving from the Omay to Cheredzi. I think we did it but, I was afraid to ask what the old record was.

After hunting plains game for 5 or 6 days, I took all the animals I wanted. Of course we would have a drink or two each evening around the fire, which was neat. On the evening of the last hunting day, we had a big brai and then I turned in for the night. Sometime in the middle of the night, I heard a vehicle and people talking loudly outside the dining hut. At first, I thought I was dreaming and that a group of thugs had invaded the camp.

After a few minutes, I recognized the voice of my PH and saw him staggering toward his hut. The next morning we had planned an excursion to Ghonarezo(sp) to look at some elephants and camp for the night. I really don't know why, I guess it was to keep me busy until the end of my 10-day hunt.

Anyway, the next morning, the cruiser was loaded and looked a lot like the Beverly Hillbillies leaving town. Two or three of the blacks were laying on top of the load and looked like they were asleep. Asleep hell, they were drunk! Then my PH graced me with his presence and he smelled like a brewery. He brazenly explained the comotion from the night before. He continued to drink after I went to bed and convinced three or four of the blacks to go with him to town. They they all got drunker and got into a fight. Two of the blacks were jailed and he and one other escaped and made it back to camp.

As we drove toward Ghonarazou (sp) he was ripping along the dirt road as usual. When we go to the park he got a beer from the cooler. That was all I could take and I called him of to the side for a talk. I told him this shit would cease immediately and that I had not flown halfway around the world to get killed in a wreck with a drunk PH. We slowly made our way back to camp where he packed his bags and left with two days remaining in my hunt. I already had all the animals I came for so I really didn't care if he did leave. The next two days I spent sitting around camp and reading. Moderation was not in this guy's vocabulary. Live and learn.

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Originally posted by 375 fanatic:
I am glad im not a ph it must be very difficult for a grown man to be told like a child what he may or may not do. you trust him with DG but you cant trust him with a drink. i drink at least 2 drinks and smoke 20 a day. IMHO guys that behave like angels has big skeletons in their closets.

the best part is most guys i hunt with can have a good party and still perform the next day

It seems that my earlier comment in this regard is under fire...

Karl S, I respect your opinion and if you feel it is ridiculous for an outfitter to expect his PH's not to drink when they work for him so be it... I do not think it is ridiculous for an Outfitter allowing his PH's to drink with his clts or drink with them himself... I just have a different opinion...

And Rudi (.375 Fanatic) I also respect your wishes not to be treated like a child. Thankfully employment is based on an employer's willingness to hire an employee and the employee's willingness to work for and abide by the rules of the employer... Important to note is that the only similarity between what we do and what you and the your mates do - having a good party and still performing the next day is that
firearms are being carried into the bush the next day and animals are being shot at... Some guys put their ties on and go the office... others guide clients towards game...PROFESSIONALLY

Most successful businesses I know of do not allow their employees to sit in the office drinking... Or should I say - I have never walked into doctor's rooms finding the nurse with a beer on her desk and the Doctor having a scotch with a patient. At the same token most bar / restaurant owners do not allow their barmen / waiters to drink while they're on duty...

When I work, I WORK and I expect the same from the people I hire - especially PH's. They are NOT on holiday. They get paid for guiding clients to trophies - not for drinking with them. And that does not mean that they are being treated like children - it means they're being treated like employees - which they are for the time they're working with me... And strangely enough I never heard any complaints from any of the 4 (very experienced) PH's I hired nor from the 35 clients that hunted with my company last year... Most of the clients had something to drink in the evenings and seemed to have a good enough time - good enough that that most of them booked again... And all 4 PH's will be hunting for me again next year...Interestingly enough not one of my clients could complain about a missed opportunity because the PH had been drinking the night before...

Fact is that no-one sits counting how many drinks the other is having around the fire - not the PH, not the client and definitely not me. But I have heard accounts of clients having a few too many the night before missing / wounding / not finding game the following day and then blaming his PH's drinking habits for his own misfortune. At this point it becomes irrelevant whether the PH had 1, 2 or 6 beers... He HAD BEEN DRINKING... And had he not this would not have become an issue...

I noticed the term "moderation" being used quite frequently in posts regarding this subject... Question is: "what is moderation when it gets to drinking?" Is it one, two or three drinks? Or is it like one poster mentioned five - six??? Quite frankly I don't care...See; I am not going to tell anyone what I think is moderate - definitely not my clients and also not my PH's but a client PAYS ME to enjoy his vacation and being able to sit around a fire and enjoying the drinks I provided for him. The PH GETS paid by me to do his job - which (yes Karl) includes entertaining and socialising with him. But believe me it IS possible to entertain clients without drinking with them...

Lastly - I have nothing against a PH toasting a good day out or an exceptional trophy with a client. I also have nothing against a PH enjoying a beer with a client provided that he knows the client and the client uses alcohol him/herself. But a PH who is standing around the fire with a beer from 7pm until 12pm is not going to convince anyone that he only had one or two...

I don't care how much my guide/PH drinks in the evening as long as they can act reasonably and professionally.

My personal limit is one drink at a sitting and usually that is just to be polite so that others there will feel free to enjoy theirs.

On a slightly different thread, I couldn’t help but notice the amount of Beer/Wine being drank in the Booths at the SCI convention.

I guess if you wanted to have a client/friend in for drink, have at it. (especially since some of the booths were set up for a casual type area.) But to sit there all by your lonesome chugging back a BUD... Come on people.. I just kept walking.
Its not that I am a "ANTI" drinker by any stretch of the imagination. But some professionalism would be nice.

Personally I have had 2 guided hunts severely affected by Drinking. It is most defiantly on the top of my Question list. I refuse to go on any Caribou hunt where the guides are allowed or in my case encouraged to drink. It doesn’t seem to work out. (At least in my experience)

I am of the opinion if the client wishes to get Rip snorting every night.. Go at it. Providing you are not effecting the others in camp. After all its your time away and feel free to spend it as you chose. I could never cast stones in that direction.. I feel I have learned over the years that my hunting time is to valuable to be wasted on a hang over... Now this doesn’t stop me from having a few before dinner or while playing cards.. But Moderation is my friend.

Calgary Guy

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Most successful businesses I know of do not allow their employees to sit in the office drinking... Or should I say - I have never walked into doctor's rooms finding the nurse with a beer on her desk and the Doctor having a scotch with a patient. At the same token most bar / restaurant owners do not allow their barmen / waiters to drink while they're on duty...

No one ever said drink while hunting. A more apt comparison would be a business man taking a client out to dinner, and then telling all his employees going with, you may not drink.
The hunt stops when the sun goes down, then a very important other side of the whole experience starts. This is normally when the client/ hunter really gets to know his/ her PH and vice versa. If they both like to do this socialising with or without drinks, so be it. The point I was trying to make is, its the clients holiday, if he says no drinking I expect the PH to abide. If he wants a few (hell, even more than a few!), I expect the PH working for me to still exercise moderation. And maybe I have just been lucky so far, but no client ever blamed his/ her bad shooting on anything me or a PH working for me has done.

A more serious problem IMO that has recently affected the performance of a PH working for me, was his stupid girlfriend that he kept on bringing to camp. This IMO created more tention and resentment by clients than if he have been drinking more, as it really affected his work, he went back to camp earlier (to see her longer), went to bed straight after dinner, even if the clients wanted to take a nightcap and refelct on the day past and the upcoming day, and generally (IMO) neglected the clients because of his girlfriend, not his drinking behaivor.
My brother was an alcoholic, thankfully he has been off the stuff for 2 years now. When I visit him, I do not drink at his house. So I am not insensitive to alcohol's problems. But most adults can and do enjoy it responsibly, so I run my camps accordingly.

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Originally posted by Karl S:
And maybe I have just been lucky so far, but no client ever blamed his/ her bad shooting on anything me or a PH working for me has done.

Damn it Karl, you never told me I could blame it on you!

Personally I think people on internet forums stress too much on inconsequential things. I go on safari to have a good time not worry whether the PH has three beers instead of two, whether he is my friend or not, whether there is ice for drinks out of a fridge, whether that whopper trophy shot the next day will be an inch short of a record or not, whether the sun will rise, or the world end. If you worry about every little thing, you are sure to guarantee you don't have as enjoyable time as you should have.

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Originally posted by NitroX:

Personally I think people on internet forums stress too much on inconsequential things. I go on safari to have a good time not worry whether the PH has three beers instead of two, whether he is my friend or not, whether there is ice for drinks out of a fridge, whether that whopper trophy shot the next day will be an inch short of a record or not, whether the sun will rise, or the world end. If you worry about every little thing, you are sure to guarantee you don't have as enjoyable time as you should have.

Amen to that!

Chris dis glad nie op jou gemik nie

what ever rocks your world or makes your day as long as a ph is profesional and does what he is paid for i dont care if he drinks or doesn't drink. the customer is king in my world.

Hunting is there to enjoy not punish

This discrimenation against smokers and drinkers is pissing me off whe should start a organization that fight for our rights (like sci)

I have been in camps at both extremes of the question. It seems to me as long as you can do what you need to the next day it shouldnt matter. I have never personally seen a problem arise from alcohol exept one. That is those who drink hard tend to dehydrate the next day much more than those who dont. The key here no matter where you stand on the issue is good communication. As long as everyone is on the same page it shouldnt be a problem either way. Way too many perceived rules out there for me. I have drank hard a couple of times but mostly in moderation, sometimes not at all. It depends on the type of hunt, weather, terrain etc. I dont see where it is any more of an issue than a number of other things that can affect a hunt.

Oh and for drinking and buisness not going together, maybe not on the job itself but it is a definite requirment often. Doing buisness in China involves a lot of drinking and deal making in the evenings. It is a cultual way of doing things. I am sure it is that way elsewhere as well.

Everything in moderation. Especially moderation.

There is a time and a place for everything. When I am paying for my hunt I will damn well have a few drinks on some nights. I might even get rip roaring drunk if the occasion is right. If you don't like it don't hunt with me.

I've got no problem with sobriety or drunkenness as long as you aren't pushing your agenda on me and nobody is getting hurt. If it's all in the name of fun it's all good.

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Originally posted by Karl S:

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Most successful businesses I know of do not allow their employees to sit in the office drinking... Or should I say - I have never walked into doctor's rooms finding the nurse with a beer on her desk and the Doctor having a scotch with a patient. At the same token most bar / restaurant owners do not allow their barmen / waiters to drink while they're on duty...

No one ever said drink while hunting. A more apt comparison would be a business man taking a client out to dinner, and then telling all his employees going with, you may not drink.
The hunt stops when the sun goes down, then a very important other side of the whole experience starts. This is normally when the client/ hunter really gets to know his/ her PH and vice versa. If they both like to do this socialising with or without drinks, so be it. The point I was trying to make is, its the clients holiday, if he says no drinking I expect the PH to abide. If he wants a few (hell, even more than a few!), I expect the PH working for me to still exercise moderation. And maybe I have just been lucky so far, but no client ever blamed his/ her bad shooting on anything me or a PH working for me has done.

A more serious problem IMO that has recently affected the performance of a PH working for me, was his stupid girlfriend that he kept on bringing to camp. This IMO created more tention and resentment by clients than if he have been drinking more, as it really affected his work, he went back to camp earlier (to see her longer), went to bed straight after dinner, even if the clients wanted to take a nightcap and refelct on the day past and the upcoming day, and generally (IMO) neglected the clients because of his girlfriend, not his drinking behaivor.
My brother was an alcoholic, thankfully he has been off the stuff for 2 years now. When I visit him, I do not drink at his house. So I am not insensitive to alcohol's problems. But most adults can and do enjoy it responsibly, so I run my camps accordingly.

I'm headed to Zambia in the fall for the first time. I think that this is a pretty reasonable attitude. I think that I would enjoy hunting with a PH who works for Karl.

Cheers,
Andy

Wow,

Awesome string, more than I expeted. Moderation is like the definition of blood loss in surgery after EVERYONE gets a good look at the crimson colored gauze sponges:

Patient: 4 liters
Surgeon: 4 milliliters
Anesthesiologist: 40 milliliters.

I have been most appreciative of Saeed's postings. Of course anyone who has to deal with Walter on a daly basis has my admiration, sympathy and thankfully there has been no chance for empathy to develop.

Karl S makes good sense. I have enjoyed camps with mixed populations of heavy drinkers and school marm types like myself. Ear plugs help a lot their; and I am happy to shoot their dream animal the next morning.

Again, a lot of good has come from this discussion for me; I have learned things I never suspeted as welll.

Cheers all,

LD

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Originally posted by lawndart:
Beyond that point though, very little communication goes on. Dry brains and wet brains can't communicate. .

LD

Oh, I don't know. I was totally stinko drunk the first time I shacked up with a Ms. Rosanne D., and she was only a couple beers in the bag. We 'communicated' fabulously. But then, technically I suppose that brains had little to do with what we were doing...

KG

P.S. I'm not ashamed to admit that I enjoy drinking, and wouldn't blink if any PH wanted to toss a couple drinks down after a hunt. That said, if I saw that it resulted in even a tiny bit of detriment to his ability, then I'd have a problem with it. Drinking during a hunt is a big no-no for me, or anyone hunting with me. Fishing is a different beast entirely, as long as the boat driver stays sober!