Posted this for Die Ou Jagter

Just wrong. Posted twice, here and in Big Bores?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

No thumbholes allowed on DGR's.

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Originally posted by RIP:
Just wrong. Posted twice, here and in Big Bores?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

No thumbholes allowed on DGR's.

A chinese couple was expecting a baby. Mr and Mrs Wong waited until it was time and off to the hospital they went and upon seeing the baby for the first time Mr. Wong was a bit disappointed to see that it was a caucasian baby.

Mr Wong went to the room Mrs Wong was resting in and stated that: Two Wongs don't make a wight.

I think it looks just as cool here as in Big Bores. Love that camo pattern. Perfect for Snow leopards.

LD

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Originally posted by lawndart:
I think it looks just as cool here as in Big Bores. Love that camo pattern. Perfect for Snow leopards.

LD

duikerman,
Yes, that's an old one about two Wongs (Mr. and Mrs.) not making a white ... baby.

Two Wong's do not make a black either.
Just a little yellow humor, thanks for contributing to the joke.

lawndart had tongue in cheek, I trust.

What?!?! First no pushfeeds, now no thumbholes, next you'll be telling me to stop painting rifles ~PINK~!

RIP, we had our private talk. but I guess anything other than a double is just not up to it for DGR, eh.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
RIP, we had our private talk. but I guess anything other than a double is just not up to it for DGR, eh.

Not at all. The bolt is best 99% of the time. The double is best 1% of the time, unless you are Markie Sullivan.

Of course, when you really need a double, it is about 99 times better than having a bolt action in your hands.

Overall that could be construed to make them about equal.

I may be bolt action trash, but I am not trashy enough for a "T/H" on a "DGR."

That would be a really COOL stock on a different type of rifle.

Besides the stock, the rest of this .416 Taylor is perfect, as long as the muzzle brake can be removed and capped.

If it puts them where I am aiming it is way cool. As to the brake it can be removed but I have no intention of removing as it is a secret second weapon. When you get in amongst them the side blast keeps the herd from comming my way. Who said bolt action trash not me.

Who made the stock?

LD

Sorry, don't like it. But then every parent truly believes their baby is the cutest baby on earth. #1. The stock MIGHT be OK if it weren't a thumbhole. #2. Muzzlebrakes have NO right to be on rifles. JMO

However if you're happy with it then conrats. I too paln to commit a faux pas in the near future and build a 416 Taylor on a Weatherby PUSHFEED action. I've NEVER had the first feeding problem with it as a 300 WBY and it'll probably never see DG so I don't see a problem with it. That is if I don't get RAAD (Rifle Action Acquisition Disorder) and trade for or buy a Mauser action to build on.

The stock is made by mpistocks you can find them at www.mpistocks.com. They make two T/H stocks I prefer the ambedextrous. As to the brake and the suposed increased report. I wear ear protection any time I am shooting be it on my range or hunting. I wear Electronic Shooters Protection with amplified hearing assistance and silence when the report comes. As to the PH etc they have two fingers and know when I will be shooting 99 & 44/100% of the time.

btt

A Harry Lawson in drag

WM416: Sorry nobody likes your gun...the thumbhole is just to much on a .416.

cewe, this string was returned as requested by another poster. I just wanted to share with others my new DGR. I really don't give a damn if anyone else likes it. The gun was built to my specs. I don't build a gun and then try to sell it. This will be in my safe until I die and themn just maybe then I will have it placed in my coffin for my hunts on the other side!

Brake, thumbhole....cool!! Very nice rifle Jag!!
Congrats.....

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Originally posted by just say moe:
Brake, thumbhole....cool!! Very nice rifle Jag!!
Congrats.....

Are you crazy??? I think the sharp wedge of the thumb hole will give him fits. There is no good way for the rifle to rock in recoil.

I have brakes on 2 of my rifles, 416 rem and 300 ultramag, for me its necessary as I've had my right shoulder rebuilt twice and I don't want a 3rd rebuild.

DOJ: No personal offense meant, just my opinion. I got a lot of flak for building a .416 on a Sako L61R action (Pushfeed vs CRF BS) but it´s my gun and one of my favourites.

Enjoy it.

REALLY NICE RIFLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just absolutely great.....YOU DA MAN Please post the pictures on the Alaskan forum .. Essespecially on the BrnBears Arnt, oilifants thread and the debate over 06/ 12ga/45-70 bear guns..........................Let the lads see what a great allround rifle should look like........ I would buck about 1 1/2 " off the buttstock and put the pad back on but otherwise it looks perfact ... Hows the trigger..????.. //.,Not that I disagree with R I P ,s impeccable taste in rifles ,,, specially his 470 Capstick,,,,,But a thumbhole is a very good purpose driven stock.....---------------In the RAREST of RARE times you will have to get the saftey off or be eaten ,gored ,stoomped and tossed.. It may be a nano sec. slower than a shotgun saftey .. BUT Most of the time when you get that funny feelin ,,,,,its time to stop walking ,get the safety off ,,then have a good look and smell and listen around........Then procede with caution if its nothing ,,haveing returned the rifle to safe.....What is your load????????????????? have you tried the 300 gr X bullet at high speed ???????,,, I really like that rifle!!!!!!!gumboot out....

Haveing had and shot 2 different 416 Taylors ,,,and 2 different 416 Rem mags......The Taylor doesn,t kick much ,, and the way that rifle is set up with the cob it would be nice ........The irons may not be high enough for some check bone ,shoulder ,neck profiles ,., but risers can be made....That is a fit issue.......It probably is about the easiest shooting lrg med bore you could find...

rechamber the barrel to a 416 ruger and use the stock for a 6.5-06...that is the only humane thing to do...

I think it would be easier to hold for an on purpose shot ...The 416 Taylor is a nice little round and the brass is easy to make.......Thanks for posting the photos.....

moe, for better or worst that is the result of our deal.

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Originally posted by Bloodnativ:
I too paln to commit a faux pas in the near future and build a 416 Taylor on a Weatherby PUSHFEED action. I've NEVER had the first feeding problem with it as a 300 WBY

Just a question, if the action you are building on will take a .300 Wby, is there any particular reason to limit yourself to a .416 Taylor??? Why not a plain old .416 Rem or (if you must have a wildcat) a .416 Hoffman??

- mike

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Originally posted by mho:
Just a question, if the action you are building on will take a .300 Wby, is there any particular reason to limit yourself to a .416 Taylor??? Why not a plain old .416 Rem or (if you must have a wildcat) a .416 Hoffman??

- mike

I wish to take the simplest route possible. According to my measurements and the data of the 3 cartridges, the Taylor is the only one that'll fit without any action modifications. It's just a rebarrel. I'll be using a Vanguard action that measures 3.56" (I measured it) and it won't handle a 3.60 length round without removing some metal, not much but it would need some to take the Rem or Hoffman. Now you've got me thinkin'.

Ok I'm looking at data as I'm typing and something isn't adding up. I'm going to have to go measure the action again because that measurement doesn't seem right. I may just have to look at the Rem a little closer. It certainly would be the better of the 3 IMO due to the availability of factory ammo and components. I have plenty of time though. I'm not going to be able to do the conversion until late 2008. I'm on my way to Afghanistan in just a few weeks so it's gonna have to wait until I get back. We'll have to see what happens between now and when I get home.

Thanks for the food for thought.

I figured you might have had a Vanguard. The reason I asked, is that both the .300 Wby and the .416 Rem Mag are made on the same case length: a full length .300/.375 H&H case. So in principle, if one fits, the other should too. But I'll readily admit I have never measured a Vanguard mag length. If possible without too much trouble, I totally agree with you on the advantages of the .416 Rem.

Stay out of trouble in Afghanistan, I've heard it can be a "lively" place at times!!

- mike

The difference between the 2 , common american 416,s I think is more one of convience , recoil and range.......The taylor is very efficent but the remington is easier to develop a load for....If your rifle has a Whby mag box it should be able to fit the Rem mag. ... Easy way to check is ,order a box of 416 Rem mag brass from Midway or somewhere and a box of 350 gr Speer bullets...You can tap the bullets into the necks , you don,t need to buy a set of dies yet... make up 3 dummies and you will be able to see if they will fit and feed.. Just don,t push too fast and hard.............But if it,s going to be a while befor you can use the rifle , why not look around for an action to make up a 416 on ..........and rebarrel the 300 to a 340 whby.. Depending on the chamber I have had to ream the necks on 416 taylor brass when I sized down 458 win brass....I did better ,necking up 338 win brass......The Lee 416 taylor and 416 Remington die have the elipticle expander and they work Great !!!I just got done turning 8mm Rem mag brass into 416 rem mag....Anneal the necks,, put some slickems in the neck and 1 pass with the Lee die...... With a bigger rifle ,fit and function are the most important .. Controlled feed actions tend to handle problems easier than push feed ..But if you don,t get it crammed full of dirt ,snow, mud and ice.. Push feeds work well.........Just my 2 cents worth....

I'm positive the action measured 3.56. I had ruled out doing a 375H&H because it wouldn't fit without removing some metal. I don't guess it would cost too much to open it up enough to make it fit. Afterall it would only take about .05" or so to make it fit. But I really want do this one on the cheap and get something that can't be had in a factory chambered gun. I'll probably just stick with the original idea and do a Taylor but I am going to look into how much it will cost me to modify the action to accept the Rem.

That's an interesting looking rifle.

Maybe I'm perceiving scale wrong but it looks as though without the muzzle break the barrel on that rifle is quite short? I know the Taylor is reported to be quite efficient but honestly how long is that barrel?

Bloodnativ,

If what you really want is a factory offered big bore cartridge on the Vanguard/Howa action. I suggest you wait until the 375 Ruger becomes available this spring. It should have the same bolt face (or very close) as the 300 WBY and is supposed to fit 30-06 length actions. You have the larger magazine and bolt face already in the Vanguard, so it should just be a rebarrel job.

It's funny you should mention that. I have been thinking about the Ruger round lately. It does look nice. However I'll be buying a 375H&H upon my return (I've longed for one of those for years) so I don't really want 2 different 375s that do the same thing. I really want something in 416. Don't know why but the 416's have really caught my interest. The Taylor would be more than I'll ever need and it should just be a rebarrel. But the Rem will be easier to feed if I need to buy factory ammo for some reason (I reload so that's not likely).

TBG, 21" plus break. Yes the rifle is short, this was by design as I felt it would be carried in the bush and basically used at short ranges i e less than 50 yds.