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This magnificent creature known to me as the Hot Spring Lion and who once ruled a good piece of the Kafue National Park was recently snared by poachers and found in this condition in Lunga Luswishi GMA. He bit his own leg off above the snare in his will to survive. That is after the poacher(s) blinded him in one eye with shot.   The accompanying hunting client in a compassionate gesture bought a Lion permit and paid the concession fees in order to put this poor brute down. I have hunted this Lion and seen him in all his glory. I think I will get pissed tonight. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | ||
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Such a bloody waste....... I think maybe I'll join you in that drink. | |||
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What a shame!!! | |||
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Damn, that really pisses me off. What a absolute waste of a fine animal. | |||
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I wish the very best for the client who paid to put him down. What a fine, generous and humane gesture. He is a hero in my book. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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+1 Good on him... What a damn shame that such a powerful, magnificent animal could be worn down to this condition and have to be put out of his misery. _______________________________________________________ Hunt Report - South Africa 2022 Wade Abadie - Wild Shot Photography Website | Facebook | Instagram | |||
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My feeling is putting the poacher through what he did to the lion would be too kind and compassionate. I commend the client, what an absolutely gracious and kind act. Please pass on our best regards to him. Have a few for me. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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A very generous and humane thing to do. | |||
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Meaning the Zambian Wildlife laws would rather have an animal in such a suffering state to continue "living" until it drops dead - unless someone pays the trophy fee?  | |||
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I would not get angry, I would get even! Mike | |||
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Andrew - Damn Shame!! I too have seen/hunted some good lions at the Hot Spring, as you know. Hate to see this for sure!!! | |||
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This is why I have no problem with poachers being shot on site. While hunting in Zim we came upon poacher camps and poacher snared animals that were not recovered, and hundreds of snares the poachers had set out. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Such tragedy! Makes me mad! "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I am Drinking as I read this...really a sad commentary!! Thanks for sharing..a very sobering reality!! 470EDDY | |||
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Haven't had a photograph affect me in a long time. This one did. I think the poacher should be given the same treatment.  .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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Just not right!!  I'm sorry for the type of ending this creature endured and for you Andrew. I know how much this must bother you. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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such a waist!! I agree with Mike get even. It about time there was more "shoot to kill" when it comes to poaching | |||
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Andrew, although those are disturbing and peace of mind upsetting photos, I still thank you for sharing. Let these serve to underscore the significant contribution of poaching by indigenous people on wild lion populations. Let these alse serve to remind some here about the absolute lack of any compassion, indeed the cruelty, of rural people in Africa. Let these also serve to remind all that ever since man came down from the trees, he has been a meat eater, and setting snares is the easiest way for a rural African to get hold of meat. The solution? We must support PETA and other animal rights activist organizations in their efforts to convert and develop the rural Africans into becoming vegetarians!  Please convey my appreciation for his kind deed to your compassionate hunting client. The saying every dark cloud... here your caring client was the silver lining! Andrew McLaren Professional Hunter and Hunting Outfitter since 1974. http://www.mclarensafaris.com The home page to go to for custom planning of ethical and affordable hunting of plains game in South Africa! Enquire about any South African hunting directly from andrew@mclarensafaris.com After a few years of participation on forums, I have learned that: One can cure: Lack of knowledge – by instruction. Lack of skills – by practice. Lack of experience – by time doing it. One cannot cure: Stupidity – nothing helps! Anti hunting sentiments – nothing helps! Put-‘n-Take Outfitters – money rules! My very long ago ancestors needed and loved to eat meat. Today I still hunt! | |||
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With you on that! Me, I would have done him straight away. That an animal had to suffer so. | |||
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It is a very sad situation and a very disturbing photo. Poaching become a very big problem in Africa and are driven by 2 needs. 1)Rural people are very poor and need protein, they set snares indiscramanetly and also they do not know every place where thety set up the snares. The trapped animals are just left to die. The biggest reason for the the huge amount of poor people is that the African economy cannot support the massive birth rate among rural people, add uneducated and unskilled people entering the labour market. 2) Greed in the East. Rural people see the poaching of Rhinos and Lions as an easy way to get money to support their families. In fact they receive a very small amount of maney compared to what the syndicates receive.Wild animal parts are also used in muti. I have heard storiestheat sangomas sell a cure for aids consisting of types of aloe and Rhino horn. We see on a daily basis photos of Rhinos that was poached, sometimes the horns have been hacked of while the animals are still alive. This to me is barbaric behaviour. I do not know the answers, but we have a big problem with poachers and they act in a very inhumane way. Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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I have written and deleted at least four different comments thus far. There are simply no words to describe the contrasts of character in this story. | |||
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Pictures of immense suffering. ~Ann   | |||
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Given and agreed. But in certain countries, you probably would get your PH licence revoked and your belongings confiscated. The "no mercy killings" rules are there for a reason. And, NO, I don't necessarily agree with them in all cases. Just suppose you saw the MGM lion and he had a bleeding clawmark from a fight, you might shoot him to "put him out of his misery" and then realise that the wounds weren't quite as bad as you first thought ..... It's a cleft stick they've got the PH on - on the one hand his livelihood, on the other the obvious suffering. Fortunately in this case a real gentleman stepped up and took the hit for the team. Still a terrible thing to happen to a great animal. -- Promise me, when I die, don't let my wife sell my guns for what I told I her I paid for them. | |||
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Pass along my thanks to this Sportsman for me please. | |||
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Thanks and will do. I will forward him a link to this post. Note Richard Bell Cross was the PH and he had a license in hand within a couple of hours. When Richard approached the Lion it tried to make a last stand but was too weak. The poachers shotgun blast in the face looks like it was fired at some distance as the shot hardly penetrated the skin but punctured an eye. It was presumed that the Lion was still in the snare when this happened. The wounds looked to be of the same age and the atrocity probably occurred a couple of months back. Some bastard really wanted this Lion and we suspect for the bones and not the skin. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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That super sucks and that lion deserved better. Man, I love to hunt and shoot but as an animal lover, I hate to see any animal go through that kind of suffering. Terrible fate for that cat, dammit to hell. | |||
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Bren 7x64: We have a "mercy killing" comment made with reference to the evidence provided. We are not talking about an MGM lion with "thorn in its pad" or a few claw marks from a fight. With all the evidence in hand I very much doubt any PH would lose his license or be prosecuted for his actions. Why are we, PHs included, charged with the task of doing everything humanely possible in following up and eliminating a wounded animal, if not to ease its sufferings and to prevent examples as the above?.....or is it just because it was a Lion? | |||
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What a waste of a damn fine lion. Good on the client who ended his suffering. ______________________ Age and Treachery Will Always Overcome Youth and Skill | |||
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Damn....this is BAD! That animal should've been put out of its misery by someone/anyone upon its discovery... PH license or not/ Trophy license or not! I'm wondering doesn't the government have some type of consideration/appeal for something such as this? Why should a PH not be allowed to dispatch the animal in this very type of situation? GOOD on the hunter/client...WOW!...talk about stepping up to the plate and getting it done and footing the bill. I admirably applaud your decision sir!!! But the government definitely needs to address this type of stuff... and yes, I have read Bren 7x64 post of the No Mercy Killing----cleft stick they got the PH on. Maybe Fairgame can show these horrible images to these so-called OFFICIALS to enact some positive changes? | |||
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South of the Selous a few years ago, we saw a grand old lion withered and dead in a thick steel snare. The snare had been fixed to a heavy log. The lion starved to death. Just wasted away. Awful thing. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Just sickening and a real shame, but glad that a client stepped up to the plate. | |||
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What a shame !!! NE 450 No2 & Retreever have the right ideas. ____________________________ .470 & 9.3X74R Chapuis' Tikka O/U 9.3X74R Searcy Classics 450/.400 3" & .577 C&H .375 2 1/2" Krieghoff .500 NE Member Dallas Safari Club | |||
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I sam sitting here having a drink to relax a bit before dinner. Now I am just pissed. | |||
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What a crap way to go. Harsh realities.... I have shot numerous elephant, but the only mental image that disturbs me is of the dead elephant bull we found, poisoned and laying in a pool of water. I suppose it is due to the wastefulness, death without any purpose or value. It is vastly different from a game animal hunted for trophy fee and/or meat, or an animal killed as part of “the cycle”. Just isn’t right. Pictures like these should be powerful in efforts to raise awareness, and perhaps anti-poaching funds. If the gentleman will be taking possession of the trophy, perhaps the Hot Spring Lion will be restored to his former glory, and remembered as such. | |||
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Don't think this reality will show up on ABC news any night. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Horrible photo indeed. We have come across 2 male lions with relatively fresh snares around them (one in the neck and the other around the hips). Because they were relatively fresh, did not appear too serious and the cats were still in decent condition, the GS would not let us "intervene with nature" and the Gov vet at Serengeti wasn't available in a hurry. The above cat is extremely emaciated but the wound seems to be healing rather well and judging by the good condition of his mane (Something that usually falls off in patches in case of a lion's poor health due to injury or sicjness) he might just have made it! I'm in no way alluding that he should not have been shot - especially seeing that the client bought a permit and paid the fees. Only those that were there could make that call. Below are pics of another lion that survived a similar injury and fully recovered - you can tell by the relatively good condition he is in. Being part of a pride can make it easier for such an injured lion to survive. Perhaps "The hot spring lion" was a loner and stood no chance. Pity.    "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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Not a very fitting end for the king. You can borrow money, but you can't borrow time. Don't wait, go now. Savannah Safaris Namibia Otjitambi Trails & Safaris DRSS NRA SCI DSC TSRA TMPA | |||
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