From ZW News


Augustine Mukaro

Zanu PF’s decision-making body, the politburo, last week rejected a land reform report that proposed a further purging of the few remaining white farmers. Sources privy to the developments said the minister of state for special affairs responsible for land and resettlement programme, Flora Buka, last Wednesday presented a report to the politburo, proposing a further expropriation of white commercial farms, arguing there were still "too many" white farmers on the land. Buka’s report said there were 927 white farmers remaining on farms, a figure it said was too big, and proposed that the number be reduced to five farmers per province, implying that only 40 white farmers were expected to remain on the land throughout. To Buka’s surprise and that of Didymus Mutasa, the minister of lands, land reform and resettlement, and minister Ignatious Chombo, Zanu PF secretary for lands, members of the politburo rejected the report describing it as a "retrogressive proposal".

Politburo members argued that the eviction of more farmers would bring the economy to its knees because they were the ones providing the little supplies that were still trickling onto the market. They further argued that the report was driven by nothing other than racism since swathes of land were lying idle following the emotive fast-track land reform programme. Others pointed out that a further purge of white farmers would cause an unnecessary international outcry. Some farmers have taken their land acquisition challenges to international courts arguing that the whole programme had turned racist since it targeted only white farmers. President Robert Mugabe, the sources said, was equally shocked by members of the politburo’s response because he had the impression that his lieutenants would welcome another opportunity to grab more farms judging from the fact that party bigwigs were the ones leading the current wave of farms evictions.

The rejection forced Mugabe to strike-off the land issue from the agenda of the Central Committee meeting the following day. Effects of the rejection began to show this week when Zanu PF bigwigs leading the latest farms invasions were ordered by the courts to vacate the properties they are intending to take over. The High Court on Tuesday ordered Senate President Edna Madzongwe to vacate Stockdale Farm in Chegutu owned by Richard Thomas Etheridge. In Karoi, Myles Hall, who had sought the intervention of Makonde MP Leo Mugabe, was granted relief allowing him to continue his operations at Summerhill farm. Hall was under threat from Nomhle Mliswa who claimed ownership of the farm on the basis of an offer letter from Mutasa’s office.

I wish they would give Richard's farm back. Most of the Zim PHs I have met were either removed themselves or their families were removed from farms.

Look at what the prior removal of white farmers has done to Zim as a whole. There would be a total collapse of Zimbabwe if they continue down this road. The US Gov't is already looking at closing tourism and hunting in Zim. This new rejection may be the best thing that Zim's Gov't has done in years. The idle farms should be returned to their previous owners without delay. It could reverse the starvation that is choking the country. LDK

Wouldn't it be lovely if common sense (Never common in Zim) prevailed and we began to see a reversal with farms being returned? A boy can dream...

Jeff

That's right Jeff. It's just a dream.

A bit of dissent in the ranks, eh? I wonder how long this guy'll keep his post or whether he'll just get lined up on the wall with a hood on.

Truth is ZANU party doesn't give two shits about who else dies in thier country. They see white people as a threat because of thier economic sensibility and superior intelect. They will gladly let millions die to keep the little power they retain. A human life to these people is worthless unless it can make them more money or keep thier Mercedes running. They do not think with morals or ethics. They only think about power and control at the cost of everyone else. There is zero plan in that country to help any of its citizens or to end the constant oppression of whites. Let me remind you that I can't find one case in America's shady past after the end of slavery that one single black man had his home or property taken away from him. Thier is not a living Black man in my own country that knows oppression at the extent the white Zimbabweans know it. The disgusting part of this equation is not the behavior of the animals, but the behavior of the governments of the civilized first world who will gladly take a blind eye to these animals. Did Amnesty International show up to protest when Mugabe came to the UN? Did any of these human rights groups say a word? Hell no! That actually says more for the white race than anything else. Not the fact that less than %5 of the worlds population controls %65 of the worlds money, but the fact that the white people of the world still succeed and do better when not one single government will step up for them.

Boy, the post above is just obnoxious and over the top and offensive and...

I can't be alone in my disgust.

JPK

Reminds me of the saying: "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt"

Truth sucks doesn't it.

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I can't find one case in America's shady past after the end of slavery that one single black man had his home or property taken away from him.

You are obviously kidding correct? there are so many cases on record, you need a flippin' computer to keep track, but just take a gander at what happened to an ENTIRE town (whose name escapes me at the moment) here in Florida during the 20s.

As to your to your observations regarding Mugabe and his thugs, can't say I disagree with you there, but a THUG is a THUG regardless of color. Castro done practically the same thing in Cuba and he's white.

I'm not qualified to offer a credible opinion on any real or perceived intellectual differences between the races, and there's just too much emotion for obvious reasons to render a "just the facts" opinion on that hot potato, but there's certainly been a few well-reasoned books & case studies recently. jorge

Show me. I want to see where a black person's owned real estate, in the US after 1865, was taken from him and given to a white man. Not some form of government domain for a highway or something similar. I want to see where a black man got thrown out of his house and a white man moved himself in.

Jorge you are right thugs are thugs regaurdless of color but I think you missed my point. The thugs aren't treated different because of thier color. They are treated different because thier main victims are white. Because white people are victimized no other government will take a real stand against the thugs.

smarterthanu, change your name, please, or better yet just stop posting this hateful nonsense.

You've never heard of government sanctioned dispossession of freed slaves after the Civil War? Study the Wilmington, NC race riot and mass dispossession of blacks by whites that occurred in 1898 and the many other pre-WWI race riots and related crimes that took place in this country.

But even more to the point, how about lynching? Ever heard of that?

Unreal.

smarterthanu:

Dude, you need to throttle it back a little and take a look at your history book. What the whites did to the navtive americans in this country was nothing short of genocide. They were killed by the tens of thousands by bullets and disease and most everything was taken from them and that continued long after the civil war. Heck, in my on home state of Nebraska, a black man was hung from a street lamp in Omaha (I think it was 1922) simply becaused he was accused of a crime against a white woman. No trial, just an accusation and that pales in comparison to what happend in the south. Jorge is right. There was an entire town in Florida that was litterally wiped off the face of the map in the 20's in a fit of racial hatred. Trust me, Africans don't have a corner on bigotry.

Dave

. . . and nobody took the Indian's lands, either, I suppose.

Do you know how to read? I did not say anywhere in my post that whites did not do some horrible acts to blacks. And I certianly didn't say one thing that included American Indians. I never once said black people didn't get lynched or race riots never happened. Go back and READ what I said find where a white man ran a black man out of his OWNED home and used it to settle his family. If you want to change the subject fine. But don't use me as the fulcrum for it. Mrlexma, Not one thing I wrote was hateful nonsense. Just because some people like to react before they think doesn't make my post nonsense. You might want someone to take up for your cause one day if you got jacked out of your house over racism, and I bet you wouldn't call it hateful nonsense then.

Oh yeah, Lets look at how shitty the Native Americans have it now.......

Which one of yall would trade places with a guy that doesn't have to play by the same rules as any other citizen, doesn't pay taxes, and has access to the best hunting areas in the western hemisphere.

Everybody look at your ancestors. No matter what race you were you had ancestors that fought, were murdered, died of disease, conquered, suffered, won, and lost. And none of it means jack shit to justify an arguement over whether some animals want to victimize white people in Zimbabwe.

Quit being emotional.

Seems someone needs to take a nap and wake up in this century. Spelling, civility, manners are signs that someone is a bit educated and not a self-proclaimed expert on Zimbabwe/Rhodesian history. The screen name you have chosen does not reflect reality.

A civil tongue and facts are usually the tools of someone "smarterthanyou". Give it a rest...

Vinny, where was I not civil? And my manners weren't out of line. I don't run spell check on little internet posts. If you want to base intellegence on the basis of spelling on an internet forum then I am definately smarterthanu.

I, among everyone else in this thread, never claimed to be a Zimbabwe historian. Puting words in my mouth, or anyone elses for that matter, is really bad manners. It is the same as lying. Would you like any other lessons in manners Vinny?

Last, Tell me where I didn't tell the truth.
Maybe I should just change my name to "smarterthanvinny" and Vinny can change his name to "idon'tcareaboutthetruth".

Ladies and Gentlemen:

Being a bit of a mutt myself genetically, and having the following blood and religious ancestors: Caucasian, Lutheran, Jewish, Muslim, Albanian, Scots, French, Slovak and American Indian, I never understood the desire to attribute intelligence, integrity, drive, etc. to a specific race or ethnicity.

Its seems the forced removal of white farmers in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe has thrown the country into chaos. Is that because the present recipients of the land got it through corruption and have no idea how to use the land commercially? Probably. Does the race of the next farmer, who gets the land (hopefully in the future when Zimbabwe has a representative government), and he or she uses it efficiently matter? Not in my mind.

When I was an undergraduate at Yale College, the sharpest guy I knew there was a black classmate of mine from Houston, Texas. He averaged one hour a night of studying. I think he actually got one B grade.

He's an orthopaedic surgeon in Seattle, an Harvard Medical School graduate, a former U. S. Army surgeon and someone I would trust implicitly to cut me up.

Also, when I worked in Jamaica 22 years ago, I met some damn smart black Jamaicans, who were astounding fishermen.

Our Secretary of State is a black female, and a damn fine person intellectually and ethically from all that I know about her. I don't always agree with her, but that is not the issue.

Skin color has nothing to do with brains or integrity.

Sincerely,

Chris Bemis

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
Vinny, where was I not civil? And my manners weren't out of line. I don't run spell check on little internet posts. If you want to base intellegence on the basis of spelling on an internet forum then I am definately smarterthanu.

I, among everyone else in this thread, never claimed to be a Zimbabwe historian. Puting words in my mouth, or anyone elses for that matter, is really bad manners. It is the same as lying. Would you like any other lessons in manners Vinny?

Last, Tell me where I didn't tell the truth.
Maybe I should just change my name to "smarterthanvinny" and Vinny can change his name to "idon'tcareaboutthetruth".

Vinny, there is no need to answer this guy. When he started talking about the "economic sensibility and superior intellect" of white people, he lost his audience. We're wasting our breath.

Dave

I really don't have a dog in this fight but I got to wondering...how is it any different if one tribe (be it native American or African) were to disposses another tribe, which happened on a regular basis while slaughtering the inhabitants, than the white man disposessing the native American or African. I am not justifying this but it is the natural course of history that one peoples conquered another. The Huns over the Goths and the Goths over the Romans etc...I'm not hearing any uproar over these inequities. Were they just an interval in time and space far removed from the 19th century?

Dutch

Just ducking for cover in the gutter were I'm still sluggin' rats...very successfully.

Dave,
You are right. I thought KKK was gone, but, alas, it is not.

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
Which one of yall would trade places with a guy that doesn't have to play by the same rules as any other citizen, doesn't pay taxes, and has access to the best hunting areas in the western hemisphere.

Not me.

United States Census Bureau: The three-year average poverty rate for people who reported American Indian and Alaska native as their only race was 23.2 percent.

. . . sounds like they have it pretty darn good to me, not.

Dave Bush, show me an example of populus Negroid advancing past the stone age without the existance and aid of the other two subspecies of human. Show me one success story of black culture in sub-saharan Africa. It is blatantly obvious that this subspecie of person lacks severely in intellect. I am not giving up on the negroid race but thier track record sucks for lack of better words.

Vinny was that your idea of civility and manners. I am not affiliated nor do I endorse or share beliefs with the KKK. They are a black eye to the white race. But don't let the truth stop you from slinging BS when you don't have anything of substance to bring to the thread.

MJines,

Finally you bring some substance to the conversation. However this interesting statistic proves nothing. A poverty rate in no way proves the desire and willingness to perform. It can be argued that %23 of indians do not want to perform at a level that will let them surpass the poverty rate.

I'm the eternal optimist. Let's hope this spells the beginning of some positive developments.

Entitlements have destroyed our native Americans. Do you all remember when James Watt( then Sec of Int) stuck his size 11's in with the quote of "Our indian reservation system is an example of failed socailism"? That's pretty close to what he said. That is the way Americans treat a conquered people. Quite different from the Zim situation. Seems that the Zim goverment does not suffer from the same guilt trip our silver spoon culture spawns at every opportunity.

Smarterthanwho,
Your logic is astounding. You have hunted in Africa, at least you posted a report, and you were too blind to see the point you are arguing against. The "success story of black culture in sub-Saharan Africa" was right in front of you face and you seem to have missed it. I am not going to tell you the "secret", but it was there for you to see.

The problem may be your definition of "success". You are defining success or "example of populus Negroid advancing" in purely European or North American terms. If you definition of success is the creation of implements (computers, cars, light bulbs, whatever) you are misinterpreting success. Success or advancement to you is one thing, to the sub-Saharan African - something else.

If you are discussing governments or how people get along with each other - we Europeans or North Americans have warred on each other in the past 100 years to the tune of 100,000,000 dead. That has not happened in Africa. Each time we have imposed our collective western intelligence on sub-Saharan Africa, it has failed in most cases. South Africa has survived because the black man has decided to make it work and not kill off each other.

I wish we were so "advanced" on this side of the world.

I suggest you read "Guns, Germs and Steel" to give a basis for logic in your thinking. It is a book posting a theory as to why one culture advances in one way and another choses a different path. You seem to blame the sub-Saharan African for his plight when a large part of it did not exist until the enlightened westerners showed up.

I'm with you Bwanna, getting back to the subject of the post. This got turned into a racial post and I'm sure wasn't intended for that. The reason for the post is the hope of us all, at least I hope us all, that things may stabilize somewhat in Zim, and that they may actually start to head down a better path. History shows that they the country will probably never head down what we all would refer to as the "right" path, but maybe it'll at least lean in that direction. I hope for the sake of the white farmers and for the people of Zim, whom the whites feed, that this thing does improve. Mugabe needs to make an exit by whatever means necessary. Who takes over from there is very questionable, and probably not very promising either, but hopefully it'll be better. We can only keep our fingers crossed.

Vinny, You made the point that I forgot to in my post. "Success" is in the mind of the successor. To each man success is something different.

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
MJines,

Finally you bring some substance to the conversation. However this interesting statistic proves nothing. A poverty rate in no way proves the desire and willingness to perform. It can be argued that %23 of indians do not want to perform at a level that will let them surpass the poverty rate.

I was not commenting on what factors do and do not contribute to the 23% poverty rate. I was commenting on your suggestion that Native Americans enjoy so many benefits that we all should long to be part of that class. Maybe you do, not me.

MJines,

You don't think your level of success would not be higher if you were allowed to keep %30 more money out of your paycheck. How about not having to pay property taxes? How about being able to use questionable business practices that normally are investigated and prosecuted by various state and federal agencies? With your education and ambition do you really think there is a limit to how well you could do. Do you really think you wouldn't be kicking ass in this world? Imagine that level of freedom in both your business and private life.

Vinny,

I wasn't comparing Blacks in africa at a level of inventing a computer or lightbulb. How about a wheel? How about an irrigation channel?
Why is the average age of mortality for a Black african male 36. Why is the Saharan desert, the largest desert in the world, man made? Why is it expanding? Let's discuss, agronomy, and domestication of livestock? Yes I judge success by European standards. They are the highest standards in the world. You think I am having this conversation because I went to Africa once? Your wild assumptions about me are making you look increasingly foolish.

stu, maybe I was too harsh. Maybe your posts are not hateful. I generally do not like to ascribe to malice what may be caused by something else.

But I do know that much of what you say is certainly utter nonsense, especially your statements attributing differing levels of intelligence and material success to people purely as a function of race.

Vinny is correct. Jared Diamond's Pulitzer Prize winning book, Guns, Germs and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies, was quite the eye-opener for many occidental - and not incidentally white - supremacists the world over.

"SMARTERTHANU" obviously lost some of his marbles along the way! None of us take his REALLY REALLY SMART comments seriously

i would say this thread belongs in the political forum; along with the author

how in the hell did the Saharan Desert become man made? did some ancient race somehow create hundreds of billions of cubic yard of sand out out if fertile soil? and Indlovu is right-this thread has been hijacked and DEFINITELY belongs in the political forum, or better yet start a racist forum with dumberthanu as its charter member!!!!!!!!

Um, yeah, I posted this article because of its relevance to the future of hunting in Zimbabwe. From an on the ground perspective, I see this as the most positive development in years. I'm with Bwanna - the eternal optimist.

Have a good day

Dave

I believe the name of the town was Rosewood and the name of the book regarding theoretical differences amongst different people's is called "The Bell Curve." There was also a recent article by a Nobel Laureate who did extensive work in DNA issues, but I can't think of his name. jorge

jdollar,
Do some research in agronomy and you will find out that yes, the saharan desert is man made. To most people it is impossible but in fact it is true. We studied this fact extensively in college. The fact that the rest of the world has studied it along with the dust bowl era in the USA has shaped heavily modern agronomy around the world. If people misuse soils they can create deserts. Also, if what I have said is the truth is it racist? I have seen only a couple of people on this thread debate this with thier minds and not thier feelings.

mrlexma,

I am in no way promoting white supremacy nor do I desire it. But the Caucasoid subspecies has effectively dominated this globe with a minority population. This is an extraordinary truth whether you me or any body else likes it. Try Reading "Through the Looking Glass". It is a compilation of essays from world anthropologists about cultures all over the world. It is a real eye opener for people who want to read truth and not just a bunch of feel good spin about the human species. Just a side note but it also has a great essay about how meat consumption is absolutely neccessary for advanced human development.

Jorge,

I knew what Rosewood was and I know what happened there, but it still doesn't disprove anything I said. Did white people take over and re-title any of the black owned property there? I know some people were murdured there. Also look at my post and where I defined "Thier is not a living Black man in my own country that knows oppression at the extent the white Zimbabweans know it." Notice I defined living.

David,

Thank you for your post. I understand what you posted it for. Apparently a lot of what I have said punched holes in a lot of folks thin skin around here. Please do not let any of my or anybody elses rants here stop you from posting. I have enjoyed many of your posts here.