of a dead young ele with smiling hunters standing behind. It was shared by a friend of mine (Probably soon to be ex friend because I had a crack at her ) Anyway the post named Buzz and CMS and the "Trophy Hunter".

This is the narrative that went with the photo-

They killed a baby elephant! The hunting company is Charlton McCallum Hunting Safaris. The owner is Buzz Charlton. The professional hunter is Max Delezenne and the trophy hunter is Mike Jines, the owner of TopGen Energy. Share and make them famous on the Internet for being scum of the earth!

This could get interesting between my "Friend" and I

Yep.

Greeted by that same SHIT this morning.

Mr. Jines is a friend and I wish him the best.

Facebook etal is pure evil.

Jeff

Cecil Part Deux

Correct me if I`m wrong. But was this the elephant that charged them?

Have seen the same post. They love to steal pictures and make up a story of their liking to get people offended and angry!

Damnation.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/m...ant-kill-speaks-out/



Georgia hunter threatened over photos with dead elephant speaks out
UPDATED ON: JANUARY 21, 2019 / 6:08 PM / CBS NEWS

An energy executive and safari hunter said he's received death threats after photos of him with a dead elephant sparked backlash on social media. Mike Jines, a partner with TopGen Energy in Georgia, said his critics are misinterpreting what really happened during a hunt in Zimbabwe, CBS affiliate WGCL-TV reports.


Jines said he and another hunter named Buzz shot two adult elephants in self-defense when they charged them during a hunt in October 2018. "The two elephant that are shown in the photos were shot in self-defense, in an unprovoked charge and both elephants were fully mature cows, not juveniles," he told WGCL in an email.

Jines said he and his company are now dealing with the fallout and making sure people understand the "actual facts as opposed to the mischaracterization of the information on social media."

Jines said the elephants were killed in a designated safari area and was conducted in compliance with laws and regulations in both Zimbabwe and the U.S. He called the majority of the responses to the images "profane" and "threatening."

"While I can appreciate that hunting can be polarizing and that views on hunting can vary materially, I am sure that you can appreciate what it is like to deal with the vitriol particularly when the underlying information in this case is inaccurate," he said.

First published on January 21, 2019

Another version of that article linked back here.

Is this the same Mike Jines? Mike on AR lives in Houston and is an attorney IIRC.

Was the controversial photo posted on social media? Was the photo posted on a forum accessible by John Q Public? Was the photo photo-shopped? Was the SD card that included the photo stolen?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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Originally posted by Cajun1956:
Was the controversial photo posted on social media? Was the photo posted on a forum accessible by John Q Public? Was the photo photo-shopped? Was the SD card that included the photo stolen?

Inquiring minds want to know.

It does not matter.

We consider both Mike and Buzz as friends, and they certainly do not deserve this description, and threats from stupid idiots who know nothing about conservation.

Why is Facebook allowing them to threaten people!

That stupid idiot Zuggerberg has an army of body guards.

Ordinary people do not.

Can't we let them believe he's in Georgia instead of posting his info on a public forum? We know it is Mike and the rest of the world doesn't need to know all his particulars! His emails are bad enough... don't need zealots at his front door.

And he didn't post the photos on FB... someone else did.

He lists Houston on his posts. My whole post is aimed at casting doubt this is the same Mike Jines, but perhaps you just told the world. If others think I should remove it, I will.

Trouble with these posters on social media is that they simply lie and thus fraudulent. A large number of international hunters challenged this false accusation to some degree.

There is a chap Kevin Graham on fb who notifies the FBI of any threats targeted at hunters.

My suggestion is that any of us on FB should object to these threats by notifying FB.

As I have said before, you can find out where they work via LinkedIn, then tweet the threat and mention the company they work for. Large companies monitor social network activity.

Back when I was involved in serving felony warrants here in Harris County, I was advised that the County had over 20,000 open felony warrants for murder, rape, burglary, child abuse, etc.

Although I have been wrong before, I seriously doubt that the sheriff’s department will regard Facebook threats as a high priority.

None the less, I do hope that these threats are reported to the law enforcement authorities and that they they conduct a proper followup.

Mike and I had a big discussion over this type of thing back during the Cecil debacle. My point then, as it is now, was that these bullying tactics can be turned against any of us and the anti's don't care that the facts are on our side from a conservation standpoint. Killing iconic species is a hot button they can exploit to push their agenda and the 10 second sound-bite or photo will always outweigh the fact based explanation of the benefits of hunting. In fact, the opportunity for airing that explanation will never see the light of day, or as typical, will be buried at the bottom of page 10 in small print with the other retractions.

I'm far from having the answer to countering the social media mob mentality. It seems to me however, that we as hunters need to stand as a united front whenever hunts are conducted legally and one of our own becomes subject to the mob's harassment. I think this type of thing is going to continue unabated until such time, IF such time can be brought to fruition, whereby those who start and perpetuate these slander campaigns are held to account through the legal process.

I do hope the FBI investigates any and all threats in this case and gets it shut down ASAP. I also wonder again, is there no existing legal recourse against those who start and perpetuate these slander campaigns on social media today? If I'm not mistaken, there are anti internet bullying laws on the books already. Would something like this attack on Mike not fit that same description?

How many want to bet this makes its way into promotion of the new dumbo movie.

I hope to get to hunt enough to get death threats over it.

Todd, I hate to answer your question with a question, but was the guy who threatened to bomb the DSC Convention back in 2015 (post Cecil debacle) brought to book?

He wasn’t very hard to locate. After an hour or two on the internet, I established communications with this potential terrorist.

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Originally posted by Cajun1956:
Todd, I hate to answer your question with a question, but was the guy who threatened to bomb the DSC Convention back in 2015 (post Cecil debacle) brought to book?

He wasn’t very hard to locate. After an hour or two on the internet, I established communications with this potential terrorist.

Probably not.

I suppose the point of my post is regardless of what the FBI or other law enforcement agencies are willing to investigate from a criminal standpoint, is there no Civil recourse for those being attacked to pursue in an effort to send a message that these types of slander attacks will not be tolerated without ramifications.

Of course, that may be tilting at windmills considering the global nature of social media and the difficulty in tracking down the origins of these smear campaigns in general.

Man, this stuff is getting out of control. Feel really bad for anyone who goes through this.

Just occurred to me, even though I've never been on Facebook, or any other social media, if I were on LinkedIn (have considered it for business) and a friend or outfitter posted a pic of me with certain species: These anti's would look me up, see where I work, and try to get me fired.

A shame, as we are on the right side of the issue; but 'Fake News' just isn't going to portray us that way.

Guess I can scratch 'sign up for LinkedIn' off my to-do list.

I will bet the social media site from which the pictures were obtained that were used on other more distributable social media sights was Accurate Reloading Hunt reports.

Mike

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
I will bet the social media site from which the pictures were obtained that were used on other more distributable social media sights was Accurate Reloading Hunt reports.

Mike

Interesting that "Lizzy" posts on Mike's hunt report a day or two before this happened.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
I will bet the social media site from which the pictures were obtained that were used on other more distributable social media sights was Accurate Reloading Hunt reports.

Mike

Interesting that "Lizzy" posts on Mike's hunt report a day or two before this happened.

Yep!!!

If I understand correctly, a CBS affiliate included an excerpt from the AR Hunting Report within their initial article.

I will take a step back and let you guys carry on from here.

Cheers and keep well everyone!

https://www.cbs46.com/news/saf...1a-4b3e66c2c306.html


Looks like it may have come from AR originally, in the attached link is a "click here" and it takes you to AR.

Well I've had a small exchange with my "Friend". She's all very emotional and this sort of thing "Disgusts" her as she sits down to a whopping steak every night . But as she pointed out she's entitled to her opinion.

The Lefts agenda is to STAY in Power and Disarm Civilians. MAKE NO MISTAKE!!! Facebook,Twitter and the Liberal Media will do ANYTHING to Paint Firearms in a Bad light. Hope the Best for all involved.

Mike is one of the most honest hunters I have ever known in my 70 plus years of hunting since the age of six years, and I assure the rank and file here that he did not break any game law in Zimbabwe, or anyplace else, and you can top this off with Buzz being 100% a bear where he insists on anyone he books to abide by all laws on the hunt.

This thread is the reason I have never made it a habit of posting hunting pictures on the internet for the dumb-ass know nothing so called animal rights dummies who are not afraid to lie through their teeth to insight a riot on Face-Book r other media!

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When I was running my campaign for Circuit Judge last summer one of my opponents obtained a photo and quotes of me posing with my tuskless and bull ele. I was hunting with CMS and Richie Schultz was my PH. The political douche, who was her campaign manager, had obtained 2 photos of me posing with my tuskless and bull ele quoting me as saying "I love this, it is really addicting".

This horse-faced woman put out a hit piece mailer showing the photo and quotes along with a transcript of a plea that I did for a pedophile wherein he received 17 years in prison. I guess a criminal defense attorney shouldn't represent bad people was her thinking. Anyway I received more support and interest in what ele hunting encompassed and gave me opportunity to educate. Not one negative response on facebook or social media.

I won the election my a wide margin and she came in dead last in a three person race. Can't answer for why some catch hell and some don't on social media. I just used it as an opportunity to make the best out of an attempted character assassination.

My ivory, two pedestal mounted buff, my full lion mount, zebra rug and assorted ephemera are in my chambers and everyone comes by to look and photograph. I do have the coolest chambers in our courthouse. I will make NO apologies EVER.

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Originally posted by Dutch44:
When I was running my campaign for Circuit Judge last summer one of my opponents obtained a photo and quotes of me posing with my tuskless and bull ele. I was hunting with CMS and Richie Schultz was my PH. The political douche, who was her campaign manager, had obtained 2 photos of me posing with my tuskless and bull ele quoting me as saying "I love this, it is really addicting".

This horse-faced woman put out a hit piece mailer showing the photo and quotes along with a transcript of a plea that I did for a pedophile wherein he received 17 years in prison. I guess a criminal defense attorney shouldn't represent bad people was her thinking. Anyway I received more support and interest in what ele hunting encompassed and gave me opportunity to educate. Not one negative response on facebook or social media.

I won the election my a wide margin and she came in dead last in a three person race. Can't answer for why some catch hell and some don't on social media. I just used it as an opportunity to make the best out of an attempted character assassination.

My ivory, two pedestal mounted buff, my full lion mount, zebra rug and assorted ephemera are in my chambers and everyone comes by to look and photograph. I do have the coolest chambers in our courthouse. I will make NO apologies EVER.

quote:

Originally posted by Dutch44:
When I was running my campaign for Circuit Judge last summer one of my opponents obtained a photo and quotes of me posing with my tuskless and bull ele. I was hunting with CMS and Richie Schultz was my PH. The political douche, who was her campaign manager, had obtained 2 photos of me posing with my tuskless and bull ele quoting me as saying "I love this, it is really addicting".

This horse-faced woman put out a hit piece mailer showing the photo and quotes along with a transcript of a plea that I did for a pedophile wherein he received 17 years in prison. I guess a criminal defense attorney shouldn't represent bad people was her thinking. Anyway I received more support and interest in what ele hunting encompassed and gave me opportunity to educate. Not one negative response on facebook or social media.

I won the election my a wide margin and she came in dead last in a three person race. Can't answer for why some catch hell and some don't on social media. I just used it as an opportunity to make the best out of an attempted character assassination.

My ivory, two pedestal mounted buff, my full lion mount, zebra rug and assorted ephemera are in my chambers and everyone comes by to look and photograph. I do have the coolest chambers in our courthouse. I will make NO apologies EVER.

Well done my friend!

Never give in to these idiots.

I have never lost an argument with any of these clueless idiots!

Good job Dutch44! I too, have trophies in my law office. In 30+ years of having them in my office, I only had one potential client who told me that she was 'creeped out' by the mounts. Obviously, I did not take her matter. Most people walking by office look in and, if I'm not busy with a client or on the phone, as to come in and look. Gives me a great opportunity to discuss hunting and conservation.

quote:

Originally posted by Dutch44:
When I was running my campaign for Circuit Judge last summer one of my opponents obtained a photo and quotes of me posing with my tuskless and bull ele. I was hunting with CMS and Richie Schultz was my PH. The political douche, who was her campaign manager, had obtained 2 photos of me posing with my tuskless and bull ele quoting me as saying "I love this, it is really addicting".

This horse-faced woman put out a hit piece mailer showing the photo and quotes along with a transcript of a plea that I did for a pedophile wherein he received 17 years in prison. I guess a criminal defense attorney shouldn't represent bad people was her thinking. Anyway I received more support and interest in what ele hunting encompassed and gave me opportunity to educate. Not one negative response on facebook or social media.

I won the election my a wide margin and she came in dead last in a three person race. Can't answer for why some catch hell and some don't on social media. I just used it as an opportunity to make the best out of an attempted character assassination.

My ivory, two pedestal mounted buff, my full lion mount, zebra rug and assorted ephemera are in my chambers and everyone comes by to look and photograph. I do have the coolest chambers in our courthouse. I will make NO apologies EVER.

I have never posted a photo of me with a dead animal and never will. I've run three general elections for Judge, won the first two and lost the last one. Planning on running again, no way hell will I post those photos.

All depends where one is running for office. Marin county or upper west side in nyc - pictures with dead elephants won’t go to far. West Texas might be a different story.

Mike

I have a very good spam filter, and one of the most annoying emails I get are from people’s LinkedIn accounts asking me to add them to my friends.

They go strait to the block list, and I never see them again!

Just to check this out I read the article and clicked the link, twice, both times it was blocked. Right on Saeed!

George

Shelton, I didn't post the photos. They were stolen from the CMS website by a douche-bag poltical hack. I wouldn't have posted for my race but I ain't runnin' from it neither.

Funny, the people most interested in photographing my animals in my law office, over the years, were DEA, ATF, FBI, Postal Inspectors, City Detectives, Dept. of Justice (working on a case together), U.S. Attorneys and all of my staff's children. They all wanted photographs of them posing with the "Boys". Not one person expressed any disgust or offense.

The end is near, gentlemen. I saw some of the animal rights posts on Facebook and we don't stand a chance. Too few of us, too many of them. All the feel good banter among fellow hunters will do sbsolutely nothing for the overall picture. We are too few for politicians to support us--even politicians that hunt won't stand up to the coming tidal wave. It's coming, folks. As soon as a politician makes airports gun free zones flying with guns will end and so will most international hunting.

I'm glad I saw at least the end of the game. Hunting is dying. A huge percentage of kids in the rural Alaska school I work at are not in favor of hunting. Some that eat moose meat have spoken out against my African hunting. When the democrats take power again--in 2 or 6 years--both our gun rights and hunt rights will change dramatically. The end is in sight, not here yet, but in sight.
Disagree with me? I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. Disagree with me; I shoud repost this in 2 or 6 years and discuss then.

Don't get angry with me, I'm on your side, I just see it coming.
Cal