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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Great just keep the Guptas their for a while...WITH THEM Gone RSA is already a better place...

Bribery and corruption are rife the world over, there is no single government administration that is lily-white and p

The Gupta brothers were hardly heard of until Zuma came into power and being the same "birds of a feather" soon forged a "business relationship" ... of course the relationship created many opportunities for other prominent government figures who jumped on the gravy train.



Of course there was no such malpractice during the apartheid era other than (maybe) by the Cabinet Ministers of the Democratic Alliance.
As I said before there is no clean administration but the Gupta brothers hit the jackpot when Zuma became president simply because the man was an insatiable glutton which gave birth to the Zupta coalition.

Now that one is behind bars and the others are in hiding has the corruption and bribery stopped?

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Originally posted by the Pom:
Surely all this argument should be more than just a debate about whether South Africa is more dangerous than California? How about just using some common sense when travelling? If you want to hunt the species only found in South Africa you will go there and in all probability have a wonderful time. You wont spend any more time in Jo-berg than absolutely necessary, you won't travel with suitcases with zips, you won't drive through Cape Flats after dark.
On the other hand you will drive from Cape Town in a rental car to Eastern Cape along the Garden Route and never feel threatened. You will be on an isolated camp or lodge and feel perfectly safe. My wife drives alone into Grahamstown to have her hair done from hunting camps without hesitation.
It doesn't matter where in the world you travel there are places you don't go and things you don't do. Even here in New Zealand where I rarely lock a car or a house I don't hang around the drug-gang filled streets in South Auckland.
Use your head. Go to South Africa to hunt with a reliable operator without hesitation but don't invest there or go there to live!

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Originally posted by the Pom: Go to South Africa to hunt with a reliable operator without hesitation but don't invest there or go there to live!

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Originally posted by Russ Gould:
What case is that? The case that South Africa is crime-free? Or that South Africa is only number 10 on the worldwide ranking for murders per capita (in a particular year .. it's been as high as no 2 and that's based on reported statistics, which like RSA covid statistics, are manipulated for political ends). So just relax, we are not number 1 this year, look we are no. 10 (out of how many was that? Two or three hundred?

And no that's not the "best I can do" .. I have limited time to spend arguing with people who are not interested in reality. I could put you in touch with LVB who is on the ground and in the business (pm me for the full name) and you can ask him ... he will tell you the same thing. But obviously you are like the 3 monkeys that don't want to see, hear, or say anything on this subject. If you want to be in denial, that's fine. The OP and many who are considering travel to RSA want to know what's really going on.

People who make comparisons to California or some other US locality are missing the point entirely. People in California generally do not equip their vehicles with flame throwers and remote kill switches to ward off hijackers. They don't live behind razor wire and 'burglar bars'. They don't keep a Rottweiler or "Alsatian" (German Shepherd) for security. They don't put signs depicting an R1 rifle on their gates (FN FAL) to deter criminals. They don't wear a gun on their own property and even in their own homes. They don't organize community rapid response paramilitary teams to come to each other's rescue. They don't train for widespread civil unrest with a racial twist to it. They don't have a plan to evacuate in convoys to safe locations when the genocide begins. They don't have to hire a private army to evict illegal squatters that have taken over (hijacked) apartment building that they own. If someone steals your property in California, they are not likely to kill you or torture you and your family members for hours on end in the process. And the Police in California are not likely to be on the side of the perpetrators, or perpetrators themselves.

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Originally posted by stubbleduck47:
I hunted in SA (Bow) in 2003 and 2005 about a three hour drive northwest of Joburg. I do remember our driver seemed to relax as soon as we left Joburg and we had no issues while hunting or on the return to Joburg.
I now may have an opportunity to return to SA in mid 2023. My general impression is that the overall Urban crime scene has deterioated significantly while the rural areas, while probably more dangerous than 15 years ago, have not gone downhill nearly as far as the cities. Does it, to those in a postition to to have a valid opinion, seem likely that the current state of SA criminal affairs is still on a generally negative slope or is it possibly leveling off where it is? Is there a significant, say >25%, chance that things could suddenly deteriorate within the next couple of years? If so what warning flags might be visible to foreigners who pay reasonable attention to commonly available media?

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Originally posted by Sunshine:
On Monday, family shot at in attempted hijacking after leaving KRUGER NATIONAL PARK. It looks as if the situation is indeed getting worse.

https://www.news24.com/news24/...kruger-park-20220106

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human rights

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Originally posted by Abbispa:
Saeed, how can anyone from the UAE say that you live in a crime free country with the human rights issues that your country is infamous for? I assure you this is not a personnel jab just an observation.

My self having hunted in many different countries now, felt much more in fear for my personnel safety in Mexico than any other country (Zim being a close second). There was no doubt that our host was in one way or another involved with cartel activity. Any where you go along the border of Mexico in Texas you can basically consider a war zone.

In places like Detroit, Chicago, LA, Dallas, New Orleans, New York et all you can find all the trouble you want if you look for it. Other places like Joberg trouble will find you.

Situational awareness!

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Political correctness.

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left out the very most important one: RACIST!

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I don't like anything that ends with an ISM!

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A mate of mine was carjacked in Lusaka and he had a pistol in a heel strap. He shot them all