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My first safari of the season was mired by self defence shooting of an elephant in long grass whilst on the heels of a couple of buffalo.

Late rains in Zambia had resulted in swathes of long thick grass and sticky conditions. I had negotiated a cheap buff hunt with this chap who had agreed to help me open camp. We would hunt buffalo around the many chores we had to undertake. The conditions made for tough going and the odd dagga boy was keeping to the thickest of cover.

I had remarked that this sort of hunting was fairly dangerous and that we would be shooting at shadows. The only plan was to track up fresh spoor of buff with the hope of sending a solid up the tail of one of these beasts. In elephant country I carry a solid in my left barrel.

We had found some water which three buff were visiting and had made a plan to get in there fairly early the following day. It was shit country and the grass cover was extremely dense in places. There was sign of elephant everywhere we went and we would occasionally bump them whilst driving.



On the morning of the 16 May we decided to head straight for the small pool of water hoping to cut the tracks of our quarry. I had my trackers check other more open water points first hoping the buffalo would remove themselves from this place. About an hour or so into the walk an elephant screamed downwind from the party and typically most of the team departed. The monitoring scout immediately let off a couple of warning shots whilst I got my client to stand by me. Over the top of the grass I could see the top of her head briefly. At that point she lowered her head and burst through the grass. My only recollection was that I had to adjust my sight picture as her head was so low. The double tap resulted in a head shot and one in the top of her neck as she fell in front of us. I had both fingers on the triggers and shot the left barrel first which was the solid. As other elephant could be heard we quickly vacated the area and tunnelled through the grass keeping our scent downwind. The march out was almost as agonising as the incident itself.

The wildlife department was called to take statements and inspect the site. They measured the distance of the shot as five yards. I had left my empty cartridges on the ground. Having removed the ivory and tail I was instructed to distribute the meat to the nearby community.

We abandoned the buff hunting and I offered my client the chance to come back next year and much later on in the season. An offer which he readily accepted.

The incident lasted but a couple of seconds and things got out of control in half that time. What I did note was that the target area was large compared to that of a charging buff. My client claimed to have made a warning shot but probably at the same time I fired because I do not recollect it.





Inspection of the carcass found the elephant to be healthy but she was old and probably barren.



I can only presume that she had some sort traumatic altercation with humans in the past? For me it was a sad occasion and an unnecessary waste of life. My community thought otherwise.


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Sounds like you did the only thing you could to defend the client and your self.

It sucks but the alternative would suck more!


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Hate to hear....but, everyone is safe. Good shooting saved lives.


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It is good that everyone is safe and that you were ready to handle this situation and you performed well. The locals will get much needed protein.
 
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Well done Andrew.

Glad everything worked out in a very bad situation.


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Andrew, I though you always carried an empty rifle until you've picked out your quarry? This is the EXACT scenario Buzz and others offered a differing opinion on whilst hunting the Zambezi.

Unfortunate for sure but you did what you had to do and kept everyone safe.

I still get a good laugh out of guys like Saeed who say there is no danger in hunting dangerous game! Things can go pear shaped in a heartbeat!
 
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Really glad to hear you and your client are OK!

Sometimes, nature gives you no other choices.

Good shooting Andrew!
 
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Andrew, I though you always carried an empty rifle until you've picked out your quarry? This is the EXACT scenario Buzz and others offered a differing opinion on whilst hunting the Zambezi.

Unfortunate for sure but you did what you had to do and kept everyone safe.

I still get a good laugh out of guys like Saeed who say there is no danger in hunting dangerous game! Things can go pear shaped in a heartbeat!


Hi Todd,

That is the norm until we start after DG or in the vicinity of or in long grass. Unlike the Zambezi jesse my country is mainly open savannah and visibility for the most very good.



I often will load my rifle if following up wounded cats!

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Andrew, it sounds like you had to do what you had to do. I'm glad that it worked out safely.

You always have to be careful in the long grass.


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That element of unexpected, but very real danger is why old men (and young) pay such ridiculously high prices to hunt DG in Africa.

I am really glad no one was hurt or killed. The upside was a lot of people who desperately need protein got meat, and the downside, was the client didn't get his buff and went home empty-handed.

At least he has an exciting tale to share.

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Andrew, I though you always carried an empty rifle until you've picked out your quarry? This is the EXACT scenario Buzz and others offered a differing opinion on whilst hunting the Zambezi.

Unfortunate for sure but you did what you had to do and kept everyone safe.

I still get a good laugh out of guys like Saeed who say there is no danger in hunting dangerous game! Things can go pear shaped in a heartbeat!


Hunting dangerous game is infinitely less dangerous than living in a big city.


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You did what was necessary. No more no less. She lost her life trying to take yours and your client. The regret is understandable, but what other choice was there? Bruce
 
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Wow. Well done. Glad all turned out well.
 
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Andrew I am glad you are fine.

I have chased Buffalo under similar conditions for 2 weeks back in 09 - gladly with no casualties at the end, however after reading this and looking back through prism of sanity I'd say the line between dangerous and silly under those conditions is very fuzzy and I believe I will think twice next time - if I will have a choice.

 
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Sounds like maybe the boy scouts are right:
Be prepared!

Good thing you were not day dreaming like many do.

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Andrew;

Well done!!!!

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Tough situation, but strong work keeping everyone safe.

You're a braver man than I stuffing both fingers into the trigger guard! I suppose it hurts less than a trunk toss, though...
 
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Until someone's been in that situation, no one really knows what it's like, but mouse93 has described it well. Big Grin
 
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Andrew, I'm certainly glad you put her down, but I understand your sorrow at having done so. You are to be commended on both counts.


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Glad you are safe mate. I would love to have been there!


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Good show!

I have been in the long grass with Ele and Buff in different countries. Never cared for it much. One must be in a constant state of alert and maintain your guard until you find a clearing. Very different from hunting thick jess.


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Good shooting Andrew. Close call. Glad everyone is safe. I really don't like long grass.
 
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I am so glad that I read your account rather than kind words from your friends reminiscing ... tu2
 
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Andrew,

Glad you are ok. While it is unfortunate to have killed the elephant you are still far on the positive side of animals saved by your conservation efforts.

If that is the area where Leon and I hunted that is some thick and long grass.
 
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Andrew,

Glad you are ok. While it is unfortunate to have killed the elephant you are still far on the positive side of animals saved by your conservation efforts.

If that is the area where Leon and I hunted that is some thick and long grass.


Hi Mike,

The very place except for the whole concession was covered in grass.


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Andrew I am glad you are fine.

I have chased Buffalo under similar conditions for 2 weeks back in 09 - gladly with no casualties at the end, however after reading this and looking back through prism of sanity I'd say the line between dangerous and silly under those conditions is very fuzzy and I believe I will think twice next time - if I will have a choice.



Agree and I took the decision to stop hunting buff as there were too many elephant around. I offered my client the opportunity to come back at a later date at my cost.


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A sad event I think was inevitable. Nobody knows how it will react a wild animal. Look at the positive animal was a source of food for the locals which is something not unimportant.

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Andrew, I though you always carried an empty rifle until you've picked out your quarry? This is the EXACT scenario Buzz and others offered a differing opinion on whilst hunting the Zambezi.

Unfortunate for sure but you did what you had to do and kept everyone safe.

I still get a good laugh out of guys like Saeed who say there is no danger in hunting dangerous game! Things can go pear shaped in a heartbeat!


Hunting dangerous game is infinitely less dangerous than living in a big city.


It wouldn't be if you carried a rifle while in town like you do in the field!

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I'm glad you and the client came away from the incident unscathed, Andrew. I'm fortunate that the trip with Diane was quite uneventful, but very memorable.
 
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Chalk it up to quick reflexes and good shooting Andrew. May have cost you another of the 9 lives we have but you prevented a dire consequence from occurring. Well done!


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Glad you got the "at-least-once-a-year charge" out of the way early in the season....

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