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I can't afford a Blaser
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Posts: 1548 | Location: Colorado, USA | Registered: 11 November 2002Reply With Quote
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While I was young and poor, with two lovely toddler daughters, I used a 243 for every thing. Ground hogs in the spring and summer, using 70 or 80 grains Sierra HPBT. When the leaves of fall started to turn I switched to 105 grain round nose.
Never understood why Speer discontinued the 105 round rose, it was the most accurate bullet that little Browning Safari used.


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Posts: 6173 | Location: Richmond, Virginia | Registered: 17 September 2000Reply With Quote
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A 243 will do it and maybe even better is a .223. I have killed deer with 223s. I have used both 70 grain TSXs and 53 grain TSXs. The deer ran maybe 100 feet One didn't bleed for squat, but that happens about the same with a 30-06 when you sever the heart loose chest. On of them was a 200 lb (dressed) doe, so size isn't going to matter. None of the bullets stopped in the deer. I cannot fault the caliber when used with monos for deer.

When it comes to varmints you have everything from the 32-35 grain fragile bullets that will blow up hitting virtually anything to some decent 80 grain bullets if you want them. Free brass, doubles as a very quiet 22lr when you use light loads with Blue Dot. I use those 32-35 grain bullets for everything from chipmunks to coyotes, and they work great!

A lot of people will try to tell you it' too small for deer. The ones who've actually used it on deer will tell you the truth.
 
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A lot of people will try to tell you it' too small for deer. The ones who've actually used it on deer will tell you the truth.



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Posts: 3524 | Location: san angelo tx | Registered: 18 November 2009Reply With Quote
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My experience killing deer with it is that it tends to make a hole very comparable to a 30-30, but it goes all the way through. I could be happy killing the rest of my deer with a .223 and monos if it came down to it.
 
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mILES58--All the deer I have seen shot with .223 were pass throughs except two. These two were smaller and at closer range which would make me think they were the least candidates for a non pass through. In both instances the base of the bullet in perfect mushroom was found just under the skin on the off side. Both bases weighed 40 grains, this was with 55 grain cup and core bullet.
 
Posts: 3524 | Location: san angelo tx | Registered: 18 November 2009Reply With Quote
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We have this debate a lot on this side of the pond, and the 243 very much reigns supreme, but in practice any deer legal cartridge (in reality a 243 with 100gn bullet and upwards) will work just as well on foxes as on deer. But all centrefire ammo is getting expensive and you are paying well over £1 a shot these days.

We do have rabbits, but any centrefire is really too much, especially if you want to eat them and most are shot with a 22rf and subsonic bullets.

But the more I use the more I like the 223 and its little brother the 222. We can use the 223 on Roe Deer provided we use a 50gn bullet, and in the past it was used on Red Deer with no issues. A 223 is still pretty cheap to run, accurate enough to head shoot rabbits and you can still take off the hind legs, very good on foxes, crows etc and would do the job on bigger animals as and when required if needed. A 223 matched with a 7x57 or similar is probably a very good choice.

But I really like the idea of little single shot Rook rifle religned to a 22 HornetSmiler
 
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I think you nailed it with your choice of the trusty 243.
It will fulfill the desired actions and likely to be on most ammo shelves . . .

Well except when the public goes nuts . . .



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Posts: 4155 | Location: TN USA | Registered: 17 March 2002Reply With Quote
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243 Winchester or a 6mm Remington, no need to look further. Excellent bullet choices from 70grains up to over 100 grains.

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Posts: 1294 | Location: Chandler arizona | Registered: 29 August 2003Reply With Quote
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The main flaw with the 22s on deer size game is the lack of blood trails in most cases, Ive seen many a days hunt ruined by long tracking jobs and hunters taking foolish shots..A 30-30 or 30-06 prevents that with reasonably placed shots and is defiantly for following a blood trail..

I really enjoy hunting deer and even elk with my old 30-30 and 25-35, requires hunter skill getting within a 100 or 200 yards sometimes, and they have iron sights so the closer the better, used right they definitely do the job.

Im a fan of the 22s on deer, but one needs to use the light guns with more consideration and be smart enough to realize its weaknesses such as range and circumstances andbe able to let those deer walk off and keep trying for a proper shot..or shoot from a blind at 100 to 200 yards max..I do that with my 25-35 also..BTW I always see the 40 inch mule deer or the 400 pt. elk when I have the 25-35 and at 400 yards of course! rotflmo be aware!


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Posts: 40089 | Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | Registered: 04 June 2000Reply With Quote
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270 Win. Sierra 90g HPBTs at 3400 fps for varmints. Any good 130g bullet at 3100 fps for deer.


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Posts: 4348 | Location: Colorado Springs | Registered: 01 January 2008Reply With Quote
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I am glad I don't to have to make that choice.

I am set up to load, the last time I checked 50 different gages and calibers.

I shot varmints and deer with every thing from 22rf to 458 caliber DGR's.

When I was younger and could not afford more then 1 center fire I used my 06 for everything.

Now days I have some trouble choosing what I use when I open up the safes.
 
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I love my 6.5 cm blaser I used to shoot 1000 rounds a year.

I would look at 6 arc or 6.5 Grendel.

It’s is the perfect single shot cartridge.

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.243W


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Posts: 1589 | Location: New Zealand's North Island | Registered: 13 November 2014Reply With Quote
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for what you described I would use my 220 swift
with the correct bullets of course
way to accurate and hits with a ton of speed
ballistic tips for the small varmints and some bonded or mono alloy bullet for the rest
 
Posts: 291 | Location: wisconsin  | Registered: 20 March 2005Reply With Quote
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Pop's first rifle was a win m70 in 243. He used that for woodchucks and deer for about 5 years.

Then he bought a 30-06 carbine. Relegated the 243 just for chucks.
 
Posts: 5897 | Location: NY, NY | Registered: 28 November 2005Reply With Quote
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I think I shot more deer and coyotes and my first half dozen elk with my my win. 94 in 25-35 and I still hunt deer with it, mostly on white tail culls.

Its always been a special hunt for mule deer and white tail with the 25-35 and/or the 30-30 horseback or slipping thru the thick stuff, or callling varmints,and your limited to what shots you take, sorta like hunting with a pistol or bow.


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Posts: 40089 | Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | Registered: 04 June 2000Reply With Quote
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My very first centerfire rifle was a early 80's Remington ADL 700 in 243Win. I used it to take my first Deer and Elk. I also used it on a few coyote of opportunity and some prairie dogs. Back then I didn't reload so I used the Remington 100gr Core-Lokt ammo for everything.

I sold that rifle when I moved back east where shotgun only for deer was the norm. It wasn't until I moved back out west that I bought another rifle. I bought a 25-06. My good friend hunted with a Ruger 77 in 25-06 and he killed Elk and Deer almost every year with ease. He and his father both hunted with the caliber.

I have since been able to buy other rifles and pretty much pick whatever rifle I feel like when I go hunting.

With all that said I wouldn't hesitate to have one of the 6mm calibers as a do all rifle. with the 243Win you can shoot 55gr up to 100gr bullets. 6MM Remington would be the same unless you got one of the older ones with the slower twist.
The 6MM Creedmor will shoot the heavier bullets because it will come with a 7 twist barrel.

Any of those rifles with a 100gr Partition, 100gr Hornady or Sierra, 80gr Swift Scirocco, 85gr TTSX, or several other quality bullets and it will be lights out for any deer.

If you're on the western side of the state then the Blacktails aren't going to be much larger than a Whitetail anyway. There isn't a Whitetail on this planet that will stop a 6mm caliber rifle that is using a big game bullet.

My brother inlaw lives in Eugene and he hunts deer with a custom 22WSM with a fast twist barrel. I think he is using the 75gr Swift if memory serves. He gets a deer every time he goes hunting.
 
Posts: 727 | Location: Las Vegas | Registered: 23 June 2009Reply With Quote
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.243 all day long.


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If I wanted to buy a new rifle for the tasks you’ve described, I’d look no further that the new 6mm Creedmoor.

It’s not “better” than a lot of the cartridges that have been offered, but it’s design allows for a lot more flexibility than most. Loading a 55gr bullet for strafing ground squirrels and rock chucks - or whatever bullet you happen to like. Then load one of the new long high BC bullets for mule deer class game.

The fast twist allows use of longer bullets and it’s case design allows proper seating to fit the magazine. Something neither the .243 or 6mm REM can do in a short action rifle.

You don’t alway need a lot of speed - so you can run those 55’s at a gentle pace and bring recoil down to almost zero. Winds blowing - load those long heavy numbers and go back to work on those chucks.

I used a .270 for everything from squirrels to elk very effectively in my less affluent youth. Now I can pick from .17, .20, .22, .24 calibers and bunch of larger ones. But if I were going to start over and fulfill your specific requirements, I’d just stay a good 6 Creed and not look back…. Then I’d find a way to buy a .223, because that’s where the real fun starts….


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Posts: 263 | Location: So. Oregon | Registered: 11 June 2004Reply With Quote
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bOTTOM LINE, caliber is not as important as bullet construction that matches the caliber IMO..and making that adjustment in your hunting style, know the limits of your skill and your gun..A 22 LR used properly is an awesome deer caliber, and so is a big bore elephant rifle, Ive shot a lot of camp meat in Africa with a 404, 416 and even a 450-400 double, they all work if you approach the hunt right. Fed a fencing crew as a kid on our ranch in Mexico with a 22 win mod 63..they all worked.


Ray Atkinson
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