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Last year i read and printed out an article by Don Heath.
It was called " Rifle lessons learned from the Zimbabwe Professional Hunter Proficiency Exam".

I am trying to find that article once more but cant find it.

Does anyone of you know where to find it?

And sorry if this is a bit off topic.


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Rifle Lessons learned from the Zimbabwe Professional Hunter Proficiency Exam
By Don Heath


Every year Zimbabwe holds two events which provide the perfect testing ground for rifles. These are the Rifa Professional Hunter and Guides training/refresher course, and the actual proficiency exam itself. As shooting is an important attribute of both a hunter and a guide, marksmanship and speed and dexterity of handling and reloading a rifle under great stress are fully tested with quite high grades required to pass. Consequently a fair amount of time at the Rifa refresher course is set aside to riflemanship. Most of the hunters have grown up with firearms, but a great many of the guides have simply grown up in the bush and the only hunting they may have done before commencing with their apprenticeships has been with spear or bow. The confidence with a rifle needed to protect one's clients in a close quarters contact with lion, elephant, hippo or buff requires complete familiarity with the rifle and a good deal of practice as well. During this year's Rifa course about 600 heavy calibre rounds went down range whilst on the proficiency some 50 shots went into dangerous game and over 500 crashing down range on a variety of shoots. All in all the five day refresher course and the week long exam provide an excellent opportunity to evaluate the different makes of rifle.

Most rifles work perfectly on range when zeroing a rifle or shooting off sticks in an accuracy test. A surprisingly large number fall apart as soon as the pressure is on and you have to shoot and reload in a hurry. Ten rifles out of 32 on the Rifa course came up with a problem, whilst 17 out of 51 came up short in one way or another on the actual exam. Only training can render one competent to carry a rifle in the bush and that is not the topic of this article, but it pains me to see poorly paid apprentices shelling out hard earned cash for sub standard rifles, especially sub standard new rifles. Also many of the student/candidates were well aware of the flaws with their rifles, but with all the hassles of licencing plus the costs involved in doing a trade, they were unable to change them. This article is intended as a guide so new purchasers don't get burned.

To set the tone, I think nobody sums up the American attitude to rifles better than W.W. Greener in his classic book The Gun and its Development (1910 edition). In no country are better sportsmen to be found than in the United States of America, nor does any country posses keener buyers or better men of business, yet in no country is so much worthless rubbish of the (mass production) gun-factories offered for sale. The Boers are a race of sportsmen, but it is of no use to offer them rubbish at any price, and the author can hardly believe that the astute American will sacrifice everything to cheapness. That fortnight in the Zambezi valley showed that not a lot has changed in the last 90 years except that nasty rather than purely cheap describes most of America�s offerings in the dangerous rifle field.

I'll start with my least favourite rifle:- the Weatherby. We don't often see them out here, thank goodness. The one we had this year exhibited the usual Weatherby failing of going off when the safety catch was disengaged. Like all I've seen with this problem, they work fine on the range. It is only after they have been bounced, bumped or jolted whilst loaded and on safe that they do this. I'm sure the problem is correctable and not all do it, however, this one would also not extract at all after the eighth round. It showed decidedly sticky extraction after the first three shots and finally died on number eight. It gives me great pleasure than to dig out my 2lb hammer and beat the bolt of a new rifle open whilst giving the owner a lecture on the benefits of reloading. Weatherby factory ammo always gives extraction problems and needs to be down loaded for use in hot conditions. The .460 is notorious and this .416 proved no different.


Remington 700 safety catch - a persistent problem. Too small and located on the �wrong� side of the action for a right-handed person. Frequently accidentally knocked on during reloading

Remington 700. The 700 may be a very fine hunting rifle. I don't know because I've never used one, but I do know that it is a piss poor dangerous game rifle especially in .416 Rem calibre. Apart from the odd inexplicable misfire, a broken extractor cost us an elephant wounded and lost at Rifa. This is not the first year that I've seen a broken extractor on a Remington 700 in .416 either. In addition they are just about the hardest rifle to refill the magazine in a hurry. My memories this year of students and candidates using them is that of youngsters frantically trying to thrust cartridges into the mag, only to have a double feed, the rounds pop straight back out or many other problems. A two round reload took on average, twice as long with the Model 700's as it did with just about any other make of rifle. The difference between the Remington and the Weatherby is that the latter can be downloaded a little so as to operate flawlessly and the safety fixed, whilst I do not know that anything can be done with the Remingtons except to re-barrel them to a plains game cartridge and leave them at home when out after the dangerous stuff. To be fair though, all of the extraction problems seem to be confined to rifles in .416 and .375. and they seem reasonably reliable in .458 provided you are prepared to tolerate the awkwardness of the reload. I am not. A good single shot or even a Weatherby is a better choice.

The Remington's push-feed bolt - the plunger/ejector works fine. The pathetically small sprung-loaded extractor breaks frequently and doesn't always extract the case.

Then we come to one that surprises me. Ruger. The early Ruger M77's with the non rotating claw extractors but still a push feed mechanism, in .458 Win could be relied upon to jam if the bolt was worked quickly. In the 1980's the National Parks culling teams found this out the hard way and the new Rugers were quickly disposed of or issued to stations where a heavy rifle was seldom required. The new MkII Ruger with a proper controlled feed seemed to be a vast improvement and were reputed to work a whole lot better and of course come at a top dollar price. I learned differently. All but one out of seven I've seen or handled this year (6 in .416 Rigby and one .458 Win) would not eject if the bolt was opened vigorously. Slow down just a fraction and they throw the empty case half way into the next province. For a client coming out to Africa this may be acceptable. Any really fast fancy shooting is going to be the PH's.


For the Professional Hunter or Guide though, a rifle that is guaranteed not to eject when worked at speed is a death sentence waiting to happen. The fault lies with the sprung loaded ejector that springs into place as the bolt is withdrawn. Work the bolt at a moderate speed and the ejector is in place to cleanly throw the case clear. Work the bolt fast and the ejector is still on its way up when the case passes over it. A few will work provided the ejector is scrupulously clean and well oiled but many will not do even that (and how do you keep it clean AND oiled in the usual dusty conditions?). A much stronger spring and a little polishing of the raceway that it fits into may cure the problem, but they are not safe as they come from the factory. A local gun shop tells me that they have sent two new rifles back this year because of this problem, and our local top gunsmith tells me that while most can be made to work perfectly, some cannot. Ruger needs to wake up, their No.1, single shot rifle is a far safer and more dependable weapon than their bolt action.

The Browning A Bolt. The Jury is still out on this as there are very few around at present and all the ones I've seen have been left handed models. One out of two had a problem with the magazine. Beating the floor plate back down with a rock is nearly as much fun as taking a hammer to a Weatherby. I must say I really LIKE the safety catch. It is certainly the best out of any of the rifles I've used this year, but I'm not sure on the push feed and extractor. Time will tell, but I have no intention of being the guinea pig.


Top - a pre-64 Winchester M70.
Bottom - Ruger M77 - fitted with the best option in safety catches - a shotgun-type tang safety.

Winchesters new M70 with the controlled feed back, is light years ahead of the old version which just about rivalled the Remington 700. I have only three complaints about the new ones. The bolt anti bind rail on one of them bent and briefly jammed the rifle, but I threw it away and the rifle worked just fine after that. The stocks need to be properly bedded and pinned. They are a good shape, nice wood, but they crack (and worse) if you don�t take them to somebody and have the bedding seen to before you start throwing a few hundred rounds down range. My biggest gripe about the Winchester is that the safety catch is on the WRONG side. On the right handed model, the safety catch is perfect for a left hander and visa versa on the left handed edition. Heavens to Hiawatha, surely somebody at US Repeating Arms (who make Winchester) has walked outside and tried to swing the rifle up for a snap shot from either the trail or from a sling! You cannot grab the pistol grip and take the safety off in one movement, and on average it took Winchester owners a second longer to disengage the safety and fire the first shot compared to Mausers or Browning A Bolts. Time and fumbling around with an awkward safety can get you killed in a tight corner, and the real insult is that they make both, and that the current left handed safety is quicker and easier to use for a right hander than a Mauser type flag safety. More and more PH's are seeing the light and fitting a good Ghost ring aperture sight to their dangerous game rifles so I suppose the pathetic excuse of a rear sight that Winchester fits at the factory can be ignored.

Interarms Mk X. Apart from the fact that the barrels are soft and wear out very quickly, these are intrinsically sound rifles that are simply shoddily put together. They are famed for springing the magazine floor plate open and dumping the contents on the firers feet. Never seen one that wouldn't feed reliably though, and with a little bit of gun smithing to make the safety catch more positive (it is also on the "wrong" side) so that it doesn't get accidentally swept on as the bolt is opened (or accidentally knocked off in the bush) and the stock properly bedded to cure the "magazine dump" they can be made into very workable rifles. They are though, very definitely rifles that you take first to your gunsmith and only then into the bush as the two students at Rifa discovered.

That sums up the American offerings for this year. The Winchester is definitely the best, but it still requires work and a replacement safety and rear sight when it comes out of the box before it can be considered serviceable.


The BRNO (CZ) 550 - A good basic rifle with Mauser-type extractor and excellent sights. The safety catch though is small, and again on the wrong side for a right hander.

Most of the European made rifles are priced well out of the reach of all learners and even most qualified PH's. The one Mannlicher in evidence this year worked superbly with much to recommend it if you can stomach the price. By far the most common big game rifles we see here, and the biggest single make on the exam, was the Bruno/CZ.

This is one of the most rugged but also the cheapest heavy rifles available in Africa and has been for many years now. There have also been a variety of different models. The early ones dating from the fifties and sixties were absolutely tops (I have a 1950 model), and these probably represent the best buys on the second hand market along with the Fabrique National made Mausers. The current models coming out are not bad, but far from perfect. CZ has finally got around to doing something about the safety catch which was perfect on the 1950's models (which was superior to an original Mauser) and singularly awful there after as it worked the wrong way around (back to fire) and was located on the wrong side of the action. The safety still isn't great, being small and still located on the wrong side of the receiver for a right handed person. It also comes on and off too easily. The biggest problem that arose with them was the firer accidentally knocking on the safety whilst manipulating the bolt. At least five Bruno/CZ owners had trouble with this either during the training sessions or in the exam.


The standard by which others are judged. A standard Mauser - serviceable safety catch, claw extractor and decent sights

Another problem patently apparent with all of the .458 Win models is that they will not reliably feed soft point ammunition until quite a lot of work has been done to the magazine box and feed. The .458 Win case is simply too short for the huge Bruno magnum action (which comfortably accommodates the .416 Rigby round), and the rounds slide around in that cavernous magazine under recoil and then feeding problems occur. The best thing anybody can do with a Bruno/CZ in .458 Win is to have a competent gunsmith re-chamber it to .458 Lott. This not only solves the feeding troubles but also gets away from the problems of the .458 Win cartridge. The only problem now though is that the stock needs to be properly bedded and pinned or it will crack. The other interesting phenomena arose with some of the older rifles chambered in .375 H&H. The chambers were fantastically oversize, and the spent cartridge cases emerge looking like an Ackley or Weatherby improved round. The head space is fine and it is not dangerous but forget about reloading. One thing is for sure, a little dirt in the action isn't going to tie up these rifles!

The remainder of the field was made up of Mauser actioned rifles. The original Mauser in .404 and the FN in .458 worked great, as expected. The trouble for a learner Hunter or Guide is that these makes are hard to come by. Original Mausers are beginning to wear out, and apart from .404 and 9,3x62, most are chambered for rounds unsuitable for serious hunting. As soon as you see a Mauser chambered in .458 or .375 you know that it is a conversion, (see my comments on custom rifles below). FN's are seldom seen on the second hand market. They represent the peak in the Mauser rifles development, and those lucky enough to own one seldom find a reason good enough to sell it.


The good (left), and the bad (right) in open sights. The Winchester offering on the right is virtually useless in a hurry.

Custom Rifles. The Mauser is one of my all time favourite rifles, but apart from a very few original rifles all the ones we see are "custom" built. This year's exam reiterated that a "custom" rifle can vary greatly in quality. Two were fine, the other two not. There are an awful lot of armourers out there posing as gunsmiths, and only the best gunsmiths should be allowed to build a dangerous game rifle. The biggest problem with all custom Mausers occurs with the feed. Mausers were originally built with the magazine boxes machined to match the cartridge for which the rifle was being chambered. The magazine box on a 9,3 is quite different from that for a 8x57. Too many "gunsmiths" simply screw on a .458 barrel and forget that the magazine box must be altered (best option) or the feed rails extensively worked. I had a .308 Mauser that had been converted from a 7x57. It gave endless feeding trouble until I got it to a top �smith. The conversion from 8x57 to .308 works fine but the 7mm magazine box is too narrow at the front and problems arise. One custom Mauser on the exam would not feed more than one round from the magazine and even loading a second round half way in so that it could be chambered (giving the shooter two rounds before a reload) was a bother. The fancy stock, the Ghost ring sight, etc did not alter the fact that this was a useless rifle. One of the two candidates who�s custom Mausers worked on the exam told me that she had had feeding trouble and had taken the rifles to a competent gun smith to have the problem solved. It had cost a considerable amount of time and money to get her rifle into full working order. The last was from a local supplier of custom rifles who knows about such things and the requirements for absolute reliability, and it worked great. I retain an intrinsic mistrust of any "custom" rifle unless I've tried it thoroughly and I know who built it. That is the biggest advantage of purchasing a new "custom" rifle locally. It's guaranteed and you can take it back at the slightest sign of trouble. It should also come with all the required extras such as sights, safety and stock bedding already attended to.

We didn't see any of the English made rifles this year, but as a warning to potential purchasers there is a considerable difference between an English top grade rifle and a second or third class weapon. Back when they were originally sold the purchaser knew what he was getting, but these days any rifle with an English makers name on it is taken as being a good quality rifle. This is decidedly not true. Perhaps the two best examples are the Westley-Richards .425 White Hunter models and some (but decidedly not all) of the Cogswell and Harrison .404's. Westley Richards turned out a great many superb .425's but they also produced a cheap line intended for government service or the native trade, known as the White Hunter model. These were built on war surplus K98 Mauser actions, without due attention to magazine box dimensions or the feed rails. They make a Weatherby cross Remington 700 look like a dream rifle. Much the same can be said for some of the Cogswells built on war surplus P14 actions. The second grade guns work fine, but the third grade weapons are on a par with the White Hunter.

That completes the overview on this season's rifles. Too much rubbish is being sold, at vastly inflated prices that will get a tyro hunter killed. It annoys me, to put it mildly!

My last observations were on ammunition. Heavy calibre ammo is expensive, especially for apprentices who are on nominal salaries. The ammo produced for the training and exams tends to be old and scrounged from any available source so all sorts of ammo related problems occur. Most ammo is remarkably long lived. I and a few others are still using vintage Kynoch ammo in our rifles for training with only the occasional hangfire, and those confined to early (pre 1960) lots. Two calibres though have a very definite shelf life. .458 Win mag and .416 Rem. A quick glance at the round will often reveal that the bullet has begun to move forward out of the case and the factory crimp is gone as the bullet moves out past the cannelure. I presume that this phenomenon is caused by the heavily compressed powder charge expanding with the heat or perhaps the brass just gets weak after a number of years of holding a bullet back that is constantly trying to pop out of the case and begins to let go. Whatever the reason, this causes two problems. Firstly the cartridges often no longer fit in the magazine perfectly causing feeding trouble (particularly noticeable in short actioned rifles like FN's, Interarms or Mausers). The second is that velocity becomes erratic. How old is old? And how long does this take to occur? I have seen the bullets creeping out of the cases on most makes of .458 ammo but it is often difficult to determine exactly how old. In 1991, however, National Parks purchased a huge batch of A Square monolithics for use in the culling programme. Almost all of this ammo is now beginning to push the bullets out of the case. In 1996 I chronographed a selection of this ammo, which was then still in good condition. Velocity averaged 2174fps with a mean deviation of 37fps. After seeing what was happening to the ammo, I chronographed the same batches again recently. Mean velocity was 1780fps and mean deviation was 180fps. A few rounds where the bullets had not begun to pull themselves were fine delivering the original specs, but most is now reject - less than ten years from date of manufacture to throw away! For hunters this is not often a problem since their ammo gets used up at a regular rate, but with too many guides, the good carry ammo sits in their gun belts for years.


Winchester M70 safety catch - awkward for a right-hander.

.416 Rem is another problem cartridge in this regard. One candidate had some fairly fresh (so he thought) Federal trophy bonded rounds. 17 out of twenty in the box were beginning to shed their bullets. Velocity for the 400grn bullets varied from 2120fps to 2390fps. Another disquieting fact about the .416 Rem cartridge is beginning to show. Inexplicable pressure problems in the occasional factory round. As mentioned under the Remington rifles, the model 700's in .416 seem to break extractors with unreasonable regularity. Is this due to pressure problems with the cartridge as much as design failure of the rifle? I have seen stuck cases and had to beat the bolts open on other makes of rifle chambered for this round before this last exam. Nimrod cartridges also tell me that they have had great difficulty coming up with a good load for the .416 Rem due to the occasional pressure spike. PMP in South Africa reported likewise.

One last, fairly humorous incident occurred which simply confirms my case against Weatherby. An apprentice PH was using a rifle chambered for the .375 H&H. He had a whole pile of ammo given to him by a client, which was .375 H&H made by Weatherby. He also had a few rounds though that were also head stamped Weatherby and marked .375 but they were .375 Weatherby rather than Holland & Holland. I've never seen a rifle chambered for .375 Weatherby but the rounds sure didn't fit into chamber of the said fellow's rifle and caused an almighty jam. It was during a training session at Rifa so we all simply had a good laugh.

The lesson though remains. Cycle each round through the chamber of your rifle before you put it in the magazine or your cartridge belt. Reloads especially but even the best factory ammo may be damaged or not quite what it seems at first glance.

I thought maybe it and/or updates might be posted on the African Hunter Magazine website, but the full site has been down for at least a few weeks...? http://www.african-hunter.com/
 
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I think the posts by Don Heath, Ganyana and the rest of the guys in the daily mix of hunting are invaluable.

If Don or Ganyana or anyone else on the ground in Africa happen to see this thread, I wonder if they can address something I think about- what is their opinion of synthetic stocks on DG rifles?

I seldom, if ever, have seen a PH with a synthetic stock, but apart from being non traditional, it seems to me a PH would be the first guy to have a stainless/synthetic stocked work tool, which would stand up to the elements better than the traditional wood/blue combo.

Are there DG specific issues with the synthetic stocks- do they hold up as well? I suspect that, similar to rifle makes, the stock makes have their own scale of reliability?

Also, I remember the first time I read Don Heath's article, I thought of a basic question- to clarify- when Don speaks of the safety being on the "wrong" side on the CZs, does he (you, if you read this Don) mean that for a right hand shooter the safety should be on the left side of the action? In other words, the slide safety release seen on the CZ is on the right side of the action, but if it were on the left side, one could manipulate it more naturally.

I have never seen this left side set up on a production rifle...if this is more desirable, sounds like it should be a custom work up?

What about the Model 70 type flag safety, is this also "backwards"?

I also remember a Ganyana article where he said one's DG rifle should have the same set ups (especially safeties) as the rest of one's rifles, for drilling and consistency in an emergency. Therefore, the best advice it that all one's rfles should have this custom, left side safety set up.

Am I correct?


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The only shortcoming to synthetic stocks is that they make a hollow, groaning sound when dragged across a branch or bush.

When the safety-which-side issue came up from Don he was roundly ragged on here on AR, and rightly so! Smiler I don't think it makes any difference on which side the safety is.

As far as a M70 3-position safety, you couldn't give me one. They are slow and cumbersome, and potentially dangerous.


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I've never understood Don's desire to have the safety on the other side but that's one of the very FEW things I don't agree with him on.

I think Don should come over to the States and run a bunch of us through a shooting seminar...especially if he brings some DG to practice on. archer The other alternative would be for him to offer that to us in Zim. Come on Don. You sleep in most days, eh? Wink


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I think Sako safeties are great,very easy to push to fire position with your thumb as you rise rifle for the shot.


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Buy a Blaser. The "safety" or cocking button is right where it needs to be.
 
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I have always loved the old Ruger tang safety and have been thorougly chapped since they discontinued them and I fall into the same camp as Will as to the Winchester 3 position safeties.


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I love the Ruger Mk 1 tang safety. It was very natural to use. Pity it's gone.


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Hopefully Don can find time in his busy schedule to do an update on this old article as I know he has discovered and few other interesting tidbits regarding reliability and use-ability.


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My CZ550 416 Rigby works great fast or slow but my Brno 602 .458 does not feed all the time when worked fast. I think maybe i should make it into a .458 lott and sell it and find a shorter actioned .458. Too bad it will cost too much to make a .458 win on my old Rem made P14 now that would be a great .458
 
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M16 I have a Blaser and am not convinced about the safety/cocking mechanism. I want to make it clear, though, that I have no experience with DG and so am just expressing an opinion.

The problem with it is that it is too stiff to operate with the thumb with a finger on the trigger, at least for me and others I know, and to do so would be unsafe. So, you can't cock the rifle as you mount it. You have cock as a seperate action before you mount the rifle.

I use my Blaser for deer and this system works just fine for me but I'm not sure it is ideal for DG.

If you forget to cock it on the way up then putting that right is a task that will take a little while. I know that is sort of a different issue but a shotgun type safety is, I think, going to be better for DG as it can be operated as you mount the rifle without it having to be a seperate process.

For non-dangerous game I think the Blaser system is hard to beat and I love it but I think I can forsee some problems with it in a tight spot.
 
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... So, you can't cock the rifle as you mount it. You have cock as a seperate action before you mount the rifle.


I'm not going to comment on whether the R93 is a good DG rifle. Having read the article of Mr. Heath, I'm not sure too many (if any) rifles would pass the acid test....

But I happen to disagree with the statement made above. It is very much possible to cock the R93 while you mount it. In fact, if you have not cocked it either before or while you mount it, you'll be in trouble if you are in a hurry to get a shot off. Indeed the cocking lever on the Blaser is rather stiff (after all you need to cock the main spring), and that makes it very difficult to operate with the rifle in a mounted position. I'm sure Mr. Caorach will agree with me about that.

So the main thing we seem to disagree on, is whether the cocking lever can be operated while the rifle is mounted. I maintain it can. Based on what evidence, I hear the chorus ask?? Based on the number of times I have had to get ultraquick shots off at running game suddenly bursting into view on driven hunts. If you have to think in those situations, you are already too late. So you cock, mount and start your swing in one movement. Oh, yes, the Blaser can be cocked while mounting the gun!

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The problem with it is that it is too stiff to operate with the thumb with a finger on the trigger, at least for me and others I know, and to do so would be unsafe.


I never place my finger on the trigger unless I am ready to shoot. My finger stays on the side of the trigger guard whether cocking the Blaser or taking a conventonal rifle off safe.

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So, you can't cock the rifle as you mount it.


I certainly can and do exactly that.

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If you forget to cock it on the way up then putting that right is a task that will take a little while.


Yes, it will. But if you train with your rifle that shouldn't be a problem. Any gun you choose will be a problem if you don't practice.
 
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Boy- the .416 Rem. part of this article is a little scary. I only handload my Model 70 416 Rem, with 400 gr A-frames and solids, and I dont crimp. I've left the same 3 cartridges in the magazine while firing 12 or so shots, just to see if this sort of thing might happen, and the bullets never moved. I've left the ammo in the sun on a hot summer day, and hunted in the Selous in early September (temps upper 80's low 90's) and never had a pressure problem. Chronied velocity is 2405 fps, which is real close to factory. Anyone else ever had any of the problems Mr. Heath describes with handloaded ammo, or does it seem to be a problem with factory stuff? BN


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Posts: 441 | Location: New Baltimore, NY | Registered: 14 February 2008Reply With Quote
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I think that is an excellent article.

And I agree that an update would be welcomed by readers. Perhaps it could be entiled "Guns that Suck." Wink
 
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I guess we all have guns on Don's ca-ca list.

I'm just glad that Dan got rid of one his THREE sig photos. They take up the whole page! homer


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Boy- the .416 Rem. part of this article is a little scary. I only handload my Model 70 416 Rem, with 400 gr A-frames and solids, and I dont crimp. I've left the same 3 cartridges in the magazine while firing 12 or so shots, just to see if this sort of thing might happen, and the bullets never moved. I've left the ammo in the sun on a hot summer day, and hunted in the Selous in early September (temps upper 80's low 90's) and never had a pressure problem. Chronied velocity is 2405 fps, which is real close to factory. Anyone else ever had any of the problems Mr. Heath describes with handloaded ammo, or does it seem to be a problem with factory stuff? BN


The Zim test are done when the temps are rarely under three digits Farenheit by noon. This may be a reason.

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I thought my photo of Obama in his natural habitat was worth the data overload. Sadly, the Obama campaign has succeeded in getting that pic removed from the internet, so I have been forced back to a mere 2 signature photos. Frowner

As for this new article that we are proposing for Don to write, perhaps he could also comment on the performance of other rifles in the field, such as those used by game officers, including the FN FAL, SMLE, M16, AK-47, Garand, M1 Carbine, M14, etc.
 
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Wow...I don't know what to say about that photo.

It would be interesting to get a bunch of stories about game scout rifles. The ones I have heard have mostly been enough to make you cringe. There must be a good game scout out there in all of Africa...maybe?


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I seldom, if ever, have seen a PH with a synthetic stock, but apart from being non traditional, it seems to me a PH would be the first guy to have a stainless/synthetic stocked work tool, which would stand up to the elements better than the traditional wood/blue combo.

Are there DG specific issues with the synthetic stocks- do they hold up as well? I suspect that, similar to rifle makes, the stock makes have their own scale of reliability?
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404WJJefferey,

One problem with synthetic stocks on DG rifles is that they stand up to use and abuse too well! Confused All PH's want to be or at least 'appear' experienced. So when a young PH buys a DG rifle he takes it to hand a bit, toss it around, drag it over rocks and do whaever to make his brand new DG rifle look like he has had it and used it for a long time. Wink Acheiving the same look of experience with a synthetic stock takes that much longer! Big Grin

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Posts: 1799 | Location: Soutpan, Free State, South Africa | Registered: 19 January 2004Reply With Quote
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Gentlemen:- Thank you for your input- when you are an author/editor all comments are worth thinking about, even if it is only briefly. Wink It is also a pity that the original article appeared with two “wrong photographs†on the Winchester and CZ. Since that article appeared over seven years ago I have paid even greater attention to the firearms carried by learner professional hunters coming on our proficiency exams, especially as I took over as Chief examiner from Lionel Reynolds in 2001 and increasingly youngsters coming into the industry look to me for advice.

I am also are that what suits me personally will not suit everybody. Col Jeff Cooper explained to me why Americans like the safety catch on the right. Makes perfect sense- on a plains game rifle- if you have grown up using it.

What has changed in the last seven years? Well I thought I would leave the topic for another three and do a ten year update in the magazine but briefly- we are sing more of the new model CZ’s with safety catches that work “the right way†- ie forward to fire. This has got one PH killed and two others badly injured that I know personally. The new CZ safety catch is positioned and shaped just right so that when you work the bolt in a frantic hurry your baby finger catches it and puts the safety on!

In speed shooting trials we found that the average shooter did better with the 1960-90's vintage CZ safety that was back to front (ie back to fire). Pulling the safety catch backwards and swinging the thumb over the grip probed quicker than pushing it forward and changing grip (start was rifle carried at the trail).

Some brands of Rem .416 ammo are still a problem. It doesn’t make sense to me why, because reloads with South African S355 deliver the advertised velocity, no compression problems and no pressure issues. If it can be done with the limited range of powders we have available there is no reason for Federal premium not to work as Advertised.

Hornady Heavy Magnum in .458 win is fine for clients but degrades too quickly in Africa. By their own statements, the ammo has a shelf life of only 6 months or so under typical African hunting conditions. Please don’t leave any as a tip! The same can be said for Hornady’s failed “encapsulated†bullets. Thank goodness they have gone. Sadly there seems to be an awful lot of it here - especially in .458 Lott.

One change to our exam system that has generally improved the performance of rifles and ammunition in the shooting test, is simply that the tests are now held on the highveld before the actual proficiency exam. Any combination of rifle and ammo will work much better when it is 20̊C cooler and your rifle isn’t full of fine wind blown sand and dust. This is unfortunate because it no longer shows up the weaknesses inherent in some rifles (but it makes the Exam much easier to run!)
 
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Thanks Don for the reply. I know I speak for many of us when I say that anytime you can tell us more about the proficiency, we would love to hear about it. By all accounts, it is the toughest PH exam in the world and as Chief Examiner, you have a lot of good insight to share with the rest of us.


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I agree with what the guy is saying in the above article about the side of the safety.I don't agree when he says converting or going for a CZ 458 Lott instead of a 458WM will solve the feeding problem.The new Lott I just bought will not feed and does exactly what my 458WM did to jam.I was also told this by the gunsmith who is working on my 458WM feeding problem,that is the magazine is to large and that is what is causing the problem.The rifle with the largest magazine for its cartridge I own is a Sako originally chambered for a 7mmRM.That rifle feeds like no other rifle I ever tried.It is by far the best feeding rifle I own.The problem with the CZ feeding I think,is that the cartridges lie to low in the magazine compared to the ramp and chamber or as someone recently posted,the rds are not in alignment with the chamber.I came to this conclusion when I took my 458WM rds and put them in my 300WM Mod 70 where they fed perfectly.The 458WM rds would align perfectly with the chamber in the mod 70.
 
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Thanks Don for the reply. I know I speak for many of us when I say that anytime you can tell us more about the proficiency, we would love to hear about it. By all accounts, it is the toughest PH exam in the world and as Chief Examiner, you have a lot of good insight to share with the rest of us.


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- we are sing more of the new model CZ’s with safety catches that work “the right way†- ie forward to fire. This has got one PH killed and two others badly injured that I know personally.

I want to be the first to say that you do have your opinion but this I find very difficult to believe. In what asylum do you find these appies?


The new CZ safety catch is positioned and shaped just right so that when you work the bolt in a frantic hurry your baby finger catches it and puts the safety on!

I have sung that song on at least three forums at least once and gets close to zero attention. I have posted pics on how to change the safety, with the typical response "I never had a problem." I even told CZ my story and got the big brush-off. Needless to say, I fix all of mine.



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Not that it is not true, but I still can't swallow all these ammunition problems. Even factory loads?

Are you sure these poor kids don't get some leftovers from you guys? Rounds that fell into the Zambezi for a day or two? Rounds that you found rolling around in the back of the Cruiser at a drunken Christmas party?

I have seen PH's carrying rounds that I wouldn't attempt to shoot on a bet. I can only imagine the Appies shooting the real dredges of the Zim cartridge world. One Appy told me he couldn't practice for the exam because he had only three cartridges and couldn't afford any more.

Oh yeah, I have every confidence in my PH! Smiler Smiler


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Howard hunter and Wayne van Blerk both got run over by buff after sweeping the safety catch on during a reload- didn't help Howards cause that the client then shot him instead of the buffalo- but he's (eventually) recovered!

Old man Bradfield -whom several members of this forum contributed to his family upkeep just after he was killed- appears to have died from safety trouble. Had he got the shot off he might still have been killed but maybe not.

Sure, many PH's put all sorts of crap in their rifles. Guides are worse! They husband "special" ammo for years against the day when they may need it- and by then the primers got wet or in the case of .458 win or .416 Rem the powders expanded and started to work the bullets loose.

The usual culprit for dud factory ammo in .416 rem that I see locally is Federal Premium.
 
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I have sung that song on at least three forums at least once and gets close to zero attention. I have posted pics on how to change the safety, with the typical response "I never had a problem." I even told CZ my story and got the big brush-off. Needless to say, I fix all of mine.



Please be careful about categorical statements, as I include myself in the relatively small group of people who agree about this problem with the CZ safety, and the Interarms slide safety as well. However, please tolerate my disagreement with most of your other posts. Wink
 
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Alf,

Any Idea what powder these bad rounds were loaded with?


I am afraid I have to agree with Shootaway on the .458Lott CZ feeding problem. I've owned one, one mind you, CZ 550 in .458Lott. The SOB was a no feeding POS. It wouldn't feed round nose and it wouldn't feed Barnes X. I was able to get the safety swept on several times when working the bolt hard. Overall it's a poorly designed piece of crap in my opinion.

I sent it down the road and have ZERO interest in any and all CZ products. Though I do like the concept of the rifle.

When Will states that a 3 position M-70 style safety may be dangerous is he referring to having the safety in the middle position while walking with the rifle and the probability of having the bolt slightly lifted and therefore being unable release the safety I wonder?

Because the M-70 safety which blocks the sear from engaging is inherently safer than a trigger block safety overall. Same as a Mauser flag style safety.



 
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I KNOW i'm in the extreme minority here, but the safety issues with the Weatherbys are also "old hat" and need updating. Further, the issues of reliability on same is dated. The Weatherby DGR with it's in line feeding is very reliable or I'd like to get Don's take on my comments above. jorge


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Don't mind Will...he's just in his typical post-Africa depression slump. I've seen it many times. Go smoke a carton or two Will. You'll feel better. Roll Eyes


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Don't mind Will...he's just in his typical post-Africa depression slump. I've seen it many times. Go smoke a carton or two Will. You'll feel better. Roll Eyes


The typical liberal is always saying "we all think...", "I think we can all agree ...". Talk like that makes me nervous.

If you want to drink the Ganyana Kool-Aid be my guest, Aunt Bee. Smiler


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I make you nervous? That's funny.

As to the kool-aid, I would rather drink his than yours. Sorry Will, but you're not nearly the expert on all things African that you would like to be. I respect your 20 elephants worth of experience but you have a bad habit of tearing down others while trying to build up yourself. It just doesn't come across very well and there are a lot of people around here that don't like it. Is that "liberal" enough for ya?


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Liberal enough for me! Smiler


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I make you nervous? That's funny...Is that "liberal" enough for ya?

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