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Ruger African rebore ?
20 January 2010, 09:10
harmsRuger African rebore ?
Is there enough meat on a Ruger hawkeye african barrel in .338 or .300 to rebore to .458?
Thanks in advance
20 January 2010, 16:21
Toomany ToolsMeasure the barrel at the muzzle. It it's .750" in diameter it can be done. Might get away with a little less, say .700", but of course that would be up to the fella that rebores it.
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20 January 2010, 17:39
jeffeossoNot really to disagree
If the barrel is .658 or larger, then yes .. or where the barrel is .658, that's the max length .. groove diameter + .100+.100 to have .100 on each side of the bore .. that's the current safety thinking..
20 January 2010, 18:37
ramrod340Seems like over the last coupel of months there has been an increase in questions about reboring a factory barrel. Most are simply new manufacture. Just curious as to why one would want to rebore a basic facotry when you can get new for the same $$. Just never made sense to me.
Yes I know in this case the African has sights but could you not move them to a new barrel?
I fully understand on older rifles with unique contour.
Jeffe wasn't ITDs limit on a new barrel .125" per side or is my memory in error again?
Oh well time for
As usual just my $.02
Paul K
20 January 2010, 18:55
Toomany Toolsquote:
.100 on each side of the bore .. that's the current safety thinking..
opinions
In your mind, not mine, but that's OK.
John Farner
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20 January 2010, 19:28
jeffeossoOKay .. so now the margin is .125 ..
Funny, I have has guns with .065 a side, been shooting for "100 years" and have had no issues .. Savage 99g, 358 winchester, for example .. Identical pressure curve as a 458 winmag.. NO WHERE NEAR .100 per side.
Most english double guns .. NOTHING like 1/2" of extra steel at the muzzle ... (125+125+125+!25) ..
But, then again, I don't control your risk profile ... though 100 years of gunsmithing has allowed for .125 to be a MAX of a sporter weight, and anything larger is a bull barrel ...
and .025 AINT going to save your hands if you blow up a gun with an overload or obstructed muzzle .. if you BLOW UP a gun by misuse, you are going to do with with 1/2" on either side.
safety margin and lawyer margins, blurring into the same aspect...
20 January 2010, 20:44
ramrod340quote:
OKay .. so now the margin is .125 ..
Jeffe, I have no clue what is the right number. I was thinking you and I had talked about ITDs very genereous .125 per side requirement on the barrels they chamber and installed.
I pulled my notes. I had asked for both a .375 & .411 barrel be the same contour a Douglas #3 which is .625. They refused to do the .411 on a #3 which would have been .214. They said they wouldn't go below .25 for liability concers. As it ended up the 375 was supposed to be #3 & the .411 a #4. Actual measurement the 375 is .64 and the .411 .68 so both ended up greater than .26. Overkill? I'm sure. The 458 MKX barrel I have in the safe is .220.
As usual just my $.02
Paul K
20 January 2010, 20:49
jeffeossoPaul,
I am always confounded at how much lawyering up some things trend to ... *I* think .250 is a PIG .. but that's my opinion,-- and that + $2.85 will get you a starbucks
20 January 2010, 22:00
BoxheadWhen Cliff LaBounty did my three rebores he wanted .10" a side. My factory Ruger M77RS 35 Whelen goes .560" at the muzzle and is darn lean all the way there. Just my personal experience.
21 January 2010, 04:58
harmsquote:
Originally posted by ramrod340:
Seems like over the last coupel of months there has been an increase in questions about reboring a factory barrel. Most are simply new manufacture. Just curious as to why one would want to rebore a basic facotry when you can get new for the same $$. Just never made sense to me.
Yes I know in this case the African has sights but could you not move them to a new barrel?
I fully understand on older rifles with unique contour.
Jeffe wasn't ITDs limit on a new barrel .125" per side or is my memory in error again?
Oh well time for
A rebore and rechamber is $350. I was quoted ( for labor only) $350 by the same guy to install barrel band swivel, barrel band sight, andrear sight. That is without buying a new barrel and paying to have that fitted.
21 January 2010, 05:45
AlanFaulknerI am with harms on this one. I have an 06 on a Springfield 03 action that has a fairly heavy barrel, about .760 at the muzzle. I want a 35 Whelen or 338-06, and thought about going the rebore path. It has some simple open sights on it, nothing special or unique. So I would like to find out where one can buy a high quality barrel, it has a Douglas on it now, that can be fitted, chambered, sights mounted and reblued for $350? Is there some secret code you use with gunsmiths to get a price like that? So far the best I have come with for a rebarrel and the rest of the work, having to contour the new barrel, is in the neighborhood of $600.
21 January 2010, 07:24
JBrownquote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Not really to disagree
If the barrel is .658 or larger, then yes .. or where the barrel is .658, that's the max length .. groove diameter + .100+.100 to have .100 on each side of the bore .. that's the current safety thinking..
Jeffe
I agree with you! Really, I can hardy believe it myself.
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
OKay .. so now the margin is .125 ..
Funny, I have has guns with .065 a side, been shooting for "100 years" and have had no issues .. Savage 99g, 358 winchester, for example .. Identical pressure curve as a 458 winmag.. NO WHERE NEAR .100 per side.
Most english double guns .. NOTHING like 1/2" of extra steel at the muzzle ... (125+125+125+!25) ..
But, then again, I don't control your risk profile ... though 100 years of gunsmithing has allowed for .125 to be a MAX of a sporter weight, and anything larger is a bull barrel ...
and .025 AINT going to save your hands if you blow up a gun with an overload or obstructed muzzle .. if you BLOW UP a gun by misuse, you are going to do with with 1/2" on either side.
safety margin and lawyer margins, blurring into the same aspect...
Again, I concur....
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Paul,
I am always confounded at how much lawyering up some things trend to ... *I* think .250 is a PIG .. but that's my opinion,-- and that + $2.85 will get you a starbucks
And again, I agree with you. I'm going to have to take a break for a while.
Jason
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21 January 2010, 07:29
ramrod340quote:
I was quoted ( for labor only) $350 by the same guy to install barrel band swivel, barrel band sight, andrear sight. That is without buying a new barrel and paying to have that fitted
I'd get a second quote. Too Manytools did mine.
As usual just my $.02
Paul K