I have been offered a commercial Mauser '98 action that I do not recognize. I have only seen pics on a phone, so far. It is marked, Safari M98 Global Trading Italy LRI, Alexandria, VA. Any feedback/info on this action will be appreciated. I just have not seen one of these before. It kinda' looks like a Dumoulin action that Sarco is selling.
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Legacy Sports sold some of those Italian Mausers about 15 years ago; they are flat top like the Dumoulin ones and take some sort of 16mm DT ring. I have not seen one; but I wouldn't pay a premium for one over an FN.
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Sarco sells, or sold, the Dumoulin. I have some of those. I do read that they are made in china, but no proof that I have seen. They could be; they are machined like a factory in a hurry. Could also be Belgium as advertised.
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The Dumoulin Mausers, that Sarco sells, need alot of hand work to bring 'um up to snuff. I've had problems with their 3 position safeties, too. The "square bridge" dovetails are not the same size front to back. The front a 16mm and the rear about 13mm. There's a solution for that, but it requires substantial machine work. Sunny Hill is the only maker of ring/bases, for the 'off size' dovetails, I have found. I was just curious about the Safari '98, whether it has the same 'problems' as Sarcos' offering. I reckon I'll pass on that 'opportunity'.
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I guess I got lucky; I bought two Dumoulins back when Sarco first offered them and both were well made. The blueing leaves a lot to be desired, but mechanically all works well. Like DPCD, I have yet to find any conclusive evidence that they are made in China, just lots of speculation. Mind you I wouldn't be surprised if they were, just can't find any real proof.
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They aren't perfect. That is why they are so cheap; you can't have both in today's production environment. They always promoted "Better, Faster, and Cheaper" as a slogan in our (Army) procurement division. I told them, you can't ever get all three; one will suffer. As for the dovetails, yes they are non standard, at least the front one is. But they are also drilled and tapped for bases. I mill the dovetails off and make square bridges out of them.
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Ok, that is a raw casting from Santa Barbara, or somewhere; it has not been finish machined or heat treated and cannot be used as is. Those pads on top are casting gates. These are not the same as the Dumoulin at all.
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Back to OP’s question before the SARCO Dumoulin hijack:
The Global trading actions were imported by Legacy sports. They were reported to be quite portly, but made well. They could be had for four or five hundred bucks back when Legacy was importing them. They also imported a big double square bridge magnum Mauser action as well. It was not cheap, and I’ve never seen or heard of a custom rifle built on that action. I suspect they advertised the big action, but given the price and provenance, few to none were actually sold or imported. A call or email to Legacy sports might get you some good info.
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Originally posted by dpcd: Ok, that is a raw casting from Santa Barbara, or somewhere; it has not been finish machined or heat treated and cannot be used as is. Those pads on top are casting gates. These are not the same as the Dumoulin at all.
is a raw casting that was made by Escrimesa in Spain for Dumoulin. When they failed they ended up at Numrich. I verified this with Escrimesa. It is a raw casting with no machine work at all.
is a raw casting that was made by Escrimesa in Spain for Dumoulin. When they failed they ended up at Numrich. I verified this with Escrimesa. It is a raw casting with no machine work at all.
That raw casting doesn't even have enough material on the ring or bridge for a Dumoulin SB. Doesn't have the typical Mauser breeching collar either. A few 98 Mauser commercial clones omitted the breeching washer (wisely) to make machining the receiver much easier. Later models of BSA were one that I recall that omitted it. Guessing Parker Hale did too.
It also has the right lugway cast right through the barrel threads, instead of ending at what would be the front face of the breeching collar.
So after threading the receiver would have a interrupted thread.
Thanks for th info, Matt. That's more of what I was looking for. Tom, I don't know where the Army 'procures' their needs, but, I'm the 'lead man' in a machine shop. I over see things, do all of the 'one-off' work and solve the 'problems' and make the repairs (electrical and mechanical) on the CNCs. The parts supplied to the customer must be to print, both size wise and finish wise. They gotta' be 'cheap', we have to bid every production job. And, they must be delivered quickly, as nobody inventories anything anymore (our 'just in time economy).
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Army Procurement is under AMC, and for the good stuff is in TACOM (Tank-Automotive and Armaments Command) in Warren Michigan. They have a procurement directorate that buys everything that the inventory managers tell them to. With drawings from various places depending on what it is, tank, or small arms, or a gas mask, for example. And that is just a small part of the overall Army logistics supply chain; DLA manages hundreds of thousands of parts as well, for all services. Back to the receiver; Jeff said it. And as for the inner shoulder; no Post 1898 designer has retained that 98 Mauser feature so it must not be too important.
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