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Not G-smithing but more DIYers here - need fiberglassing a wood boat tips. Please PM
22 July 2018, 20:49
Mike_DettorreNot G-smithing but more DIYers here - need fiberglassing a wood boat tips. Please PM
Building a wood rowboat/skiff. Plenty of you tube tips but looking resin recommendations especially stuff easier to work with by a newbie.
Feel free to PM me.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
22 July 2018, 21:01
jeffeossoKeep up the good work -- i know ZIP about wood+composite construction .. NIL -- but Rutan's build manuals and Zeke Smith's building composite aircraft is probably overkill .. that i know a little about
22 July 2018, 21:48
Aaron LittleCheck out the Glen-L forums.
23 July 2018, 01:49
JBrownI don't know anything about boat building but I prefer to use epoxy instead of polyester resin when working with fiberglass.
Jason
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Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.
-Jason Brown
23 July 2018, 03:16
wwgreenerWest System epoxy is the standard around the Chesapeake. I'm an enthusiastic wooden boat guy and have built, owned and maintained wooden boats. I'm not big on
fiberglass on the whole hull. It adds a lot of weight. I think it can be helpful to tape the seams and wear points. But remember that all boats flex and go through a cycle swelling and shrinking which can crack and delaminate the epoxy/fiberglass. I do encourage you to saturate wood with thinned epoxy before painting. The wood and your paint job will last much longer. Go the Woodenboat Magazine forums and start reading. Good luck with your project. Building a boat is very worthwhile.
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Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
Building a wood rowboat/skiff. Plenty of you tube tips but looking resin recommendations especially stuff easier to work with by a newbie.
Feel free to PM me.
I've built two boats, not especially imaginative ones. One was an 8 foot rowboat from plans in a Popular Mechanics issue, the other a 14 foot catamaran from a book of plans. Both were coated with West System epoxy and then a white epoxy paint, and both need periodic sand/coat work.
TomP
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25 July 2018, 16:23
BaxterBquote:
Originally posted by TomP:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
Building a wood rowboat/skiff. Plenty of you tube tips but looking resin recommendations especially stuff easier to work with by a newbie.
Feel free to PM me.
I've built two boats, not especially imaginative ones. One was an 8 foot rowboat from plans in a Popular Mechanics issue, the other a 14 foot catamaran from a book of plans. Both were coated with West System epoxy and then a white epoxy paint, and both need periodic sand/coat work.
My cousin built a Penobscot 14 (maybe 17?) and did epoxy and marine paint. Although I think he said if he did it again he’d fiberglass it.
25 July 2018, 22:17
customboltNo idea about fiberglas or epoxy coatings.
But, here are some ideas on stability.
I had a 12 footer made with 1/4" plywood and oak and coated with shellac.
It was heavy but quite stable for such a short and narrow boat. Bounced right off river rocks.
I also bought a 10 foot aluminum flat bottom boat and it was so unstable, had I sneezed, it probably would have done a 180.
If you need to keep it light, wider is best. Have fun with it.
Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can.
16 September 2018, 00:24
Mike_Dettorreto all those that provided advice, thanks...
clamping and gluing ply wood
making a joint
clamping and gluing the bottom
how it looks from the topside
progress on fiberglassing the hull
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
18 September 2018, 18:58
eskimo36I built one of these years ago. I learned a lot in the process and had many good years fishing with it.
http://www.unclejohns.com/boat/
"One shot is usually enough..."
18 September 2018, 19:47
Heym SR20Nice looking boat. Done plenty of boat building / repair myself. Woodenboat Forum is friendly and lots of good advice.
19 September 2018, 01:16
dpcdVery nice; I see you forgot the bow gun pintle mount which comes in handy during amphibious assaults.
20 September 2018, 13:35
Heym SR20By far the easiest and nicest to work is the West Systems or SP Epoxy's. Use a woven glass cloth - you lay the cloth on dry, poor on the mixed epoxy resin. Spread it with a squeegee - a piece of plastic - tuperware plastic is ideal. Let it soak for several minutes and then squeegee it hard to push cloth onto the wood. As it starts gelling you scrape off surplus, and you are left with a cloth / wood / epoxy composite, albeit with the cloth weave quite visble. One more coat is then required to fill the weave. Have a look at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gcut7RLho8A lot does though depend on how you will use the boat. Is it going to being left on the water, or on a trailer, and whether or not the underlying plywood is high quality Marine, or builders yard ply. The challenge with epoxy or epoxy glass coating wood, is that whilst its very good at keeping water out, its also very good at keeping water in. If its damaged and the water gets in, there is little chance for the water to get out again. Often a good marine grade paint does just as good a job.
But given that its likely to be a hunting boat I would make some duck boards for the inside so boots don't trample on the timbers and damage the paint.
20 September 2018, 14:33
DenisBProgressing well
Not much point in telling what I would do at this point..... but for another project:-
- 2-pack epoxy seal the ply & frames before sheathing
- vinylester resin ( its adhesion is better & resists osmosis better than FG )
-polyester flowcoat colour gloss.
- marine carpet on the floor when finished.
( not bling, just floor protection from damaging the seal ).
_ last a long time with an annual cut & polish of the flowcoat.
How much rocker did you put in the bottom ????
( bow- centre- stern ).
the amount of rocker determines how well the boat will handle steep chop/windwaves/standing waves...........no rocker makes a "stiff" boat that tends to take water over the bow as it resists bow lifting.
FWIW
24 September 2018, 03:30
Dulltool17Mike- just watch more NCIS. If a Hollywood character can build a boat in his basement, you shouldn't have any problem...
Doug Wilhelmi
NRA Life Member
24 September 2018, 05:08
Mike_DettorreDoug,
If it wasn't for poor craftsman skills I would have zero craftsman skills.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
24 September 2018, 09:56
lawndartGood looking boat Mike. I'll stop by on my next VA visit.
26 April 2019, 22:48
Mike_DettorreReady for launch
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
Aut vincere aut mori
27 April 2019, 16:34
p dog shooterLooks good.
But for us withoyt the patience's to do so.
I brought a lot of good used alum boats for less then 100 dollars.
The last one a 14 foot jon boat that only need the wood on the transom replace. For 20.00 another 40 in materials.
A great boat that well out last a wooden one by decades.
27 April 2019, 17:33
Mike_DettorreFor what it's worth:
a) I don't have patience
b) I down scaled the design by 8% so it fit better in the back of my pick-up which has a tool box across the back of the bed. I don't do trailers. Probably get reported and have my man-card revoked.
c) I didn't do it because I thought it would be economical
d) I did it because it was a challenge for me and something I had never done before
e) I secretly think I am Leroy Jethro Gibbs
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
27 April 2019, 18:03
Jim@IMRepsNice work, we'll secretly start calling you Leroy.
07 May 2019, 05:59
Alec TorresNice job, Mike.
I have built row boats, a duck boat (sneak box), and a cedar canoe. Labor of love, but not real difficult.
08 May 2019, 08:10
fairgameI am really impressed and this is what our next generation should be doing instead of staring down their smartphone.
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13 May 2019, 00:36
Mike_DettorreIt floats
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
13 May 2019, 06:11
D HumbargerLooking good Mike. Footages are high and dry.
Doug Humbarger
NRA Life member
Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73.
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17 May 2019, 04:03
Brian CanadaNice skiff!!
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18 May 2019, 11:16
georgeldGlad you got it done and using it now.
Have fun, don't fall in etc.
Thanks for sharing it with us.
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