Yea, I know, everybody have a loveaffair with the M70 safety - but I am not happy with it. I really like the safety of the Weatherby, which is an improoved Enfield style safety. I would like to be able to put a safety like that on a CZ, M70, M98, Rem700 and all the rest. Am I the only one? Or does a thing like that exist?

I think the Enfield safeties work just fine.

Why fix what ain't broke!

Rojelio

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Am I the only one?

Yup...it appears that way

Bent,
in a way, the ruger 3 position is an evolution of the enfield safety, rather than winchesters. Here's what I mean.

The enfield safety is on the action, rather than on the bolt

the enfield safety physically blocks trigger movement first, not by indirectly preventing searmovement, but by blocking the trigger

then locks the bolt, from the action, into a slot, while keeping the tripper blocked

the difference in the enfield and the ruger safety is the actioning plane and details.

the ruger safety is on the action
the ruger blocks the trigger
then locks into the bolt, while keep the trigger locked

but rotates horizontally rather than vertically.

it would be some work, tantamont to doing a tang safety on a mauser, to put this on another action, but could probably be done.

oh, yeah, one last thing, both are simple, rugged, and sometimes tricky to put back together

so, yeah, bill ruger thought it was a good idea , too.


jeffe

Bent,
I like this original Enfield....think Weatherby copied this?

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Originally posted by ireload2:
Bent,
I like this original Enfield....think Weatherby copied this?

I believe he’s talking about 1917 US and P14 British Enfields.

[/QUOTE]I believe he’s talking about 1917 US and P14 British Enfields.[/QUOTE]

But the origin of the 1917 and P14 designs came from what country using what rifle?
He also mentions it in regard to the Weatherby safety which is on the bolt sleeve.

I think the 14/17's were a departure from the Lee, but I ain't all that up on it.

The P14/M17 Enfield safety catch does NOT lock the trigger - it retracts and locks the striker (and hence) firing pin, leaving the trigger and sear quite free to move. It locks the bolt closed, too - of course.

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Originally posted by redrover:
The P14/M17 Enfield safety catch does NOT lock the trigger - it retracts and locks the striker (and hence) firing pin, leaving the trigger and sear quite free to move. It locks the bolt closed, too - of course.

i'll be damned, you are entirely correct... i have no clue why I thought it blocked the trigger... WTH was I thinking.

jeffe

"I really like the safety of the Weatherby, which is an improoved Enfield style safety."

When he mentioned Weatherby safety it seemed he was talking about this one.

Weatherby safety here

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:

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Originally posted by ireload2:
"I really like the safety of the Weatherby, which is an improoved Enfield style safety."

When he mentioned Weatherby safety it seemed he was talking about this one.

Weatherby safety here

Ireload,
You are entirely correct, but if you had bothered to read the whole thread, you would have seen that jeffe put me stright on his first posting, and that I admitted that I was wrong.
I was wrong, wrong, wrong - but you do not impress much either.

From my second post:
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Jeffe, dang, you got that right! Sorry, but we do not work much on Enfields here, I have only had one trough my shop the last 15 years. What is the resemblence between the Weatherby and Enfield is of course the handle and its movement.
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What is it here you do not understand? And if I were talking of the LE Enfield, I would have said so.

Sorry everybody, I really screwed up on my quoting and deleted my second posting. Maybe Jeffe can get it back?

Bent,
not really, but you reprinting it was good enough

I can not believe how dunderheaded my reply was... change that to the action locking the sear, and ruger evolving to lock the trigger.. yeah, that's the ticket

anyway, since nearly no one these days sporterizes SMLEs, regardless of version, it's probably a moot point to mention them...

sort of like when somoene says "i want to do X to a winchester" no one assumes they mean a winchester 1917 or M1.

Though, sooner ot later, I am going to do a 45/70 on one

jeffe

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:

quote:

Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:

quote:

Originally posted by ireload2:
"I really like the safety of the Weatherby, which is an improoved Enfield style safety."

When he mentioned Weatherby safety it seemed he was talking about this one.

Weatherby safety here

Ireload,
You are entirely correct, but if you had bothered to read the whole thread, you would have seen that jeffe put me stright on his first posting, and that I admitted that I was wrong.
I was wrong, wrong, wrong - but you do not impress much either.

From my second post:
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Jeffe, dang, you got that right! Sorry, but we do not work much on Enfields here, I have only had one trough my shop the last 15 years. What is the resemblence between the Weatherby and Enfield is of course the handle and its movement.
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What is it here you do not understand? And if I were talking of the LE Enfield, I would have said so.

Sorry everybody, I really screwed up on my quoting and deleted my second posting. Maybe Jeffe can get it back?

Guess I am not impressed with a comparison of a design mounted on a bolt and one mounted on a receiver. In any case the Lee-Enfield safety mounted on the reciever has the same forward aft rocking motion as the 1917 and P14 Enfields. jUst requires a different digit. Considering the originals are all "British Enfield" maybe you get my point and maybe not.
Were you referring to the bolt sleeve mounted Weatherby?

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Originally posted by ireload2:
Guess I am not impressed with a comparison of a design mounted on a bolt and one mounted on a receiver. In any case the Lee-Enfield safety mounted on the reciever has the same forward aft rocking motion as the 1917 and P14 Enfields. jUst requires a different digit. Considering the originals are all "British Enfield" maybe you get my point and maybe not.
Were you referring to the bolt sleeve mounted Weatherby?

Man, do I pretend NOT to have made a major fuck-up? But I admitted that before you started rubbing it in!

My only excuse is that I work on theese guns so seldom - but it is a mighty bad excuse, oh yea.

Yes, I was thinking of the safety on the Weaterby MarkV - but THAT should be rather clear by now, or not????

I love the safety on the PATTERN 1917 AMERICAN MADE (by rem., eddy. and win) Enfields. The only thing that makes them suck is that making the stock look good at that point aint really an option.

Red

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Though, sooner ot later, I am going to do a 45/70 on one

jeffe-

does it make more sense to start with a P14 with this?

I don't know if a P14 bolt fits a M17 action- if so, does the P14 bolt make more sense for a 45-70 conversion, due to it already taking a rimmed cartridge?

I have a 17 action, have thought about having it made into a 45-70.

thanks.

TC,
talk about getting confused on mixed references.



I am going to do a 45/70 on an SMLE, Short Mag
Lee Enfield...

I would think about doing a 9,3x73R on a p14....enfield....

LOL
jeffe

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I am going to do a 45/70 on an SMLE, Short Mag
Lee Enfield...

I was afraid of that

then another question- can the SMLE take stiff 45-70 loads?

my father-in-law looked at a Gibbs, and the salesman told him they (the Gibbs) were only good for factory ammo.

scrach the question above, just read about it.

tin can, yes P14 and M17 bolts are interchangable, if I was going to do a 45/70 on an enfield " not SMLE" I'd try to find a p14 bolt and extracter for a M17 reciever. I gave a P14 action and a fast twist 41 mag barrel ( 24") to Mark Pinkston of Kailua Custom Guns who made it into a neat .405 winchester. I dont see why it wouldnt make a fine 45/70 as well.

appreciated, thank you.

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Originally posted by TSJ:
tin can, yes P14 and M17 bolts are interchangable, if I was going to do a 45/70 on an enfield " not SMLE" I'd try to find a p14 bolt and extracter for a M17 reciever. I gave a P14 action and a fast twist 41 mag barrel ( 24") to Mark Pinkston of Kailua Custom Guns who made it into a neat .405 winchester. I dont see why it wouldnt make a fine 45/70 as well.

The left locking lug on the 1917 bolt is thicker and of a different shape than those on the P14’s. The extractors are also a different size and shape, and there were two variations of P14 bolts that had different length left locking lugs.