So what happened to the topic? Did our illustrious Moderator delete it to save face?

Saeed has always said that there is no censorship in the site. So what happened to this one?

Jeffe likes to play the 'ol shell game. He pulled one a while back until others began to complain and then it mysteriously reappeared, a few post light, under the miscellaneous heading. Ahhhh, what an awsome responsibility he has as God of the site.

Nope... Jeff had nothing to do with it, nor do I know who did, even though dempsey (thread starter) asked for it to be deleted


Glad you guys are getting your exercise


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Customstox, I asked DRG if he would delete it for me and he did. The reason being it looked like it was going to start up again based on your last post in that thread. I don't know what your hard on is for Jeffe, but I'd prefer you not pollute peoples threads with it. I am really suprised to see this side of you after posting on a few of the same sites over the years. In the past you've always struck me as polite and helpfull. I think Saeed and Don do a great job with this site and for the most part let things flow on their own. However, IMO only, the bullshit slinging should be saved for the political and misc forums. Even there they show a great amount of tolerance, and the bullshit flows heavily. In rooms like this tamper tandrums aren't the entertainment, it is the subject matter related to the subject heading, gunsmithing.

Dempsey, my objection to that thread was the comments that both you and Jeffe made about the Dressels. They are friends of mine and when they are wronged I will certainly stand up for them. I have stated that his comments were BS and have infromation from the stock owner in question that bears it out. You may think it belongs in the political forum but it was posted here and that is where I will respond.

My last post was in regard to a request that I made privately with Jeffe for an apology when I showed him the information that detailed that what he printed was false and he had never been given the information that he stated. What came out was certainly not an apology and his "list" statement was just made it sound like the stock return was nothing simple.

BTW, you don't come out very clean on this post regarding being polite. I will continue to try to be helpful on this site, if I remain. I will be polite when the situation allows and will not be polite when the situation so dictates. This situation was certainly the latter.

Chic,
I sincerly applogize to you for anything I said that may have pissed you off.

jeff

Customstox, I'm not sure how you interpretted my post regarding Dressels as negative, however you did. All I can say is if I didn't like them I wouldn't be buying from them. I simply stated it was my impression that much of their inventory was less than 2.25, I also made it clear that my impression was based on limited experience with them. It was not a post about degrading Dressels it was a post about how thick of a blank I'd need. I wanted to know before I order. I apologize if my post made it look that way. You are also very correct in saying I also lost my manners regarding Rick but I won't apologize for that. It became clear that the post was going to continue as a bash Jeff thread so in the interest of all involved I simply had it deleted. I wouldn't have replied to this thread if were not for the false accusations that Jeffe had deleted it. I would like to state again I never intended any negative motives towards Dressels. I just picked up this rifle today, It wears a $250 dollar Dressels blank, cheap by monetary standards but to me it fits my tastes perfectly. The guy who did the work for me felt it was very good wood to work with and felt it would serve me well for years to come. I trust his judgement and my next blank will again be from Dressels. I whole heartly reccomend them.

From the amount of Business the Dressels seem to get from folks on this site it would seem to me they should come on every once in awhile and talk about their wood.

Dempsey

That is really a sleek looking stock. Who did that work for you?

22WRF, his name is Arnold Erhardt. I'm extremely pleased with it. Soon as I get some clear pics I'll post a thread in the medium bore forum. Arnold is one of nicest guys I've ever done business with.

I CANT TAKE THIS ANYMORE. SHIT!

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Originally posted by dempsey:
... I just picked up this rifle today, It wears a $250 dollar Dressels blank, cheap by monetary standards but to me it fits my tastes perfectly. The guy who did the work for me felt it was very good wood to work with and felt it would serve me well for years to come. I trust his judgement and my next blank will again be from Dressels. I whole heartly reccomend them.

Very nice stock. If you felt like posting some more photos I'd be willing to take a look

Is Arnold Erhardt any relation to ACGG member Dennis Erhardt of Helena MT?

cheers,
- stu

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Originally posted by Customstox:
So what happened to the topic? Did our illustrious Moderator delete it to save face?

Saeed has always said that there is no censorship in the site. So what happened to this one?

I didn't have a cat in that fight, but I don't think anyone with a lick of sense would have changed their mind about where they're going to buy stock wood based on that thread.

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Originally posted by James C Scott:
I didn't have a cat in that fight, but I don't think anyone with a lick of sense would have changed their mind about where they're going to buy stock wood based on that thread.

This is one of the few intelligent posts of either of the thickness threads. Direct and to the point.

when I read posts like this from Malm

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Jeffe likes to play the 'ol shell game. He pulled one a while back until others began to complain and then it mysteriously reappeared, a few post light, under the miscellaneous heading. Ahhhh, what an awsome responsibility he has as God of the site.

in which he can't make a point without namecalling or berating another poster it makes me want to puke.
If you have something to say then say it. If you disagree with another poster then post it. You don't have to berate another poster personally.

Rick made a habit of personal attacks and he's not the only one here that does this. Others should be excommunicated too.

I would think that if it mattered to Sharon Dressel, she would have jumped in. Lord knows enough people let her know about it.

I have told a vendor that he was being trashed on this site in the past because I thought he deserved an oportunity to defend himself if felt it necessary.

Turns out he didn't give a rat's ass about it and at that point it was no longer any of my business. To jump in after that and take up someone else's cause is simply sychophantic at best and at worst, just an excuse to start a fight.

Stu, Arnold and Dennis are brothers. Here are some more pictures.

Very nice. A perfect example of "understated elegance".

Thanks tigertate, that is the exact direction I was looking for. I really think less is more sometimes. I went back and forth on choosing a more expensive blank but this one struck me as the one the first time I saw it. I had budgeted $500 for the blank but browsing Dressels site this one just kept jumping out at me. It was a real bargain at $250

No kidding!!!

It seems to me that Jeffe could just as well work on rifles as to respond to different topics even through there are short comings. I applaud Jeffe for it as it seems he is really trying to help each of us. He strikes me as someone who makes the weather but then doesn't stand outside and say "Shit it's raining!" Thanks for your help!

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Originally posted by Pegleg:
It seems to me that Jeffe could just as well work on rifles as to respond to different topics even through there are short comings. I applaud Jeffe for it as it seems he is really trying to help each of us.

As do many others here including Customstox, Rick0311, Malm, and a host of others. The difference that I've noted is that unlike them, Jeffe will claim one thing when another is true. He'll claim to have knowledge on a subject, argue for days, then be proved wrong and only sometimes grudgingly in a round about way acknowledge he was wrong. Just like when he stated Sharon would accept the stock back with a string of conditions. BS, the only condition for return was that the stock be in the same condition it was sent out in. That sounds both simple and fair to me. You want an example of his BS? Do a search on Mexican 98's. See where he made one claim on alternative bolts over and over only to be proved wrong. Then see how he handled it.

Helping is a good thing, I applaud Jeffe when he does, as I applaud all who help out here. But, I also applaud those that would keep us safe by calling BS when they see it no matter who the poster.

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Originally posted by Poleax:
... The difference that I've noted is that unlike them, Jeffe will claim one thing when another is true. He'll claim to have knowledge on a subject, argue for days, then be proved wrong and only sometimes grudgingly in a round about way acknowledge he was wrong.

You want an example of his BS? Do a search on Mexican 98's. See where he made one claim on alternative bolts over and over only to be proved wrong. Then see how he handled it.

An excellent post. Let's review the mexican mauser bolt thread again, shall we? I am not really sure how I could have been more direct or stated my misconception clearer.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
well damn,
i am totally wrong..
the turk bolt I got with the action was already turned down...

the one I jerked out of an action NO GO

jeffe

Here's a link to the whole thread

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/.../479104174#479104174

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Originally posted by dempsey:
Stu, Arnold and Dennis are brothers. Here are some more pictures.

Dempsey,
Told you I’d be willing to look. That’s the best looking wrapper I’ve seen on a M1999 action so far. Great looking rifle, exactly what I hope my two remaining M1999 actions will become. (Yeah, in my dreams.). NECG barrel hardware?

Chic - sorry to hijack your thread with my interest in Dempsey’s fine rifle.

cheers,
- stu

Dempsey,
the rifle turned out excellent. i like the wood around the release.. too cool!

Stu C,
That is not a problem and was just reading it and about to comment on the fine looking rifle. I made my statement and am just as happy when the thread turns into appreciation of wonderful rifles.

Dempsey, when I saw the name I wondered if it was Dennis's brother. Dennis is a very nice guy and I suspect his brother came from the same mold. I love the flow of that stock. BTW, most of the blanks on my personal rifles cost in the $250 to $400 range. Not because I was looking for something cheap, I just found one that caught my eye and evidently saw something in it the merchant did not.

dempsey, PLEASE, OH PLEASE, OH PLEASE, can you take a couple pics of the grip cap and butt plate? This is a beautiful rifle.

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Stu, Arnold and Dennis are brothers.

Pardon my ignorance but are you referring to Dennis Olson?

BTW that 1999 rifle is beautiful. I make a note of saying so when the work warrants and this certainly does. Yes, the NECG sights are also excellent. The checkering is superb and all in all it's a very well done rifle.

I only have one rifle built on a 1999 and since then have loved the VZ-24 so much that I haven't built anything on the 1999. That said I believe it's one of the most valuable actions to the custom builder today. I like them a lot.

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That’s the best looking wrapper I’ve seen on a M1999 action so far.

I was recently told that a nice custom in any caliber other than a big-bore could not be made on a MRC 1999 due t oits "huge" size. Guy must have never seen one and your rifle proves it. I really like it and the style stock you used. The only change I would make is the checkering and that is just because I am weird!

Jeffe,

Obviously I failed to revisit that topic before you admitted you were wrong. My apologies.

However, with regard to the treatment of the Dressels I think you could have done better. I understand the blank size is the minimum YOU feel comfortable with. But you should have said that from the get go. Not stated that their blanks are too narreow. You fail to realize that as a moderator you hold a position that might influence many that visit this site. Thus, you ought to more careful in what you say, especially when it might have considerable impact, negative at that, on a vendor's business.

As to whether a blank is large enough, let me say this, that is largely dependent on the turner's skill or methods. I remember once being told I needed a rather large blank to have a particular stock turned from. It was near impossible to find one that large. I turned to another duplicator who said the job could be done from a much smaller blank, one simply had to know how to position the layout. It came back perfect from a blank that I was previously told would not work. I don't fault the first duplicator, I realize that despite his first rate work and talent he obiously had some tricks to learn, we all do.

Be sure and ask your stock merchant if they will replace a blank, if during bandsawing, fitting or shaping, you discover an internal flaw.
Some won't.

Both Preslik's and Cecil Freddi have replaced flawed blanks for me: one a nail in the comb, the other a walnut size bark inclusion in the wrist with only a pin-knot showing on the outside.

Returning un-flawed wood is meaningless to me.
SDH

Poleax,
you got a pm on this, as I hear you and asked for your thoughts

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Originally posted by Poleax:
... However, with regard to the treatment of the Dressels I think you could have done better. I understand the blank size is the minimum YOU feel comfortable with.

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Originally posted by 333_OKH:
I was recently told that a nice custom in any caliber other than a big-bore could not be made on a MRC 1999 due t oits "huge" size. Guy must have never seen one and your rifle proves it. I really like it and the style stock you used. The only change I would make is the checkering and that is just because I am weird!

The MRC is fractionally (not much at all) larger than the long and short model 70s, iirc

Thanks for comments, I'm very pleased with the rifle and can't wait till fall to take it hunting.

Larrys I have a couple pics that didn't come out well (dark) I edited them to get them a little better. Nothing fancy, just a single screw fisher cap and I think the buttplate is a pre-64 take off or clone. It all fits my preferred tastes though.



Stu, I'm not sure who made the sights. We discussed what I was looking for in the rifle and I gave him a number on how much I could afford and I trusted him with the rest. I knew I would be happy with the result. This probably isn't always the way to do it but that's why I use him.

Customstox, it seems I find myself attracted to wood in that price range. The high dollar blanks are natures work of art but some also seem "busy" for a rifle, maybe a shotgun would be a better fit for those and my tastes. I try to take what I've learned on these sites by people like you,SDH, Belk, and many others and make the best choice for my money. I'm buying another blank and I've narrowed it down to a couple in the same price range, assuming they're still available.

Vapodog, Dennis Erhardt and Arnold Erhardt. They both live in Helena MT. I've haven't met with Dennis but I'm sure he's also nice to deal with.

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The high dollar blanks are natures work of art but some also seem "busy" for a rifle, maybe a shotgun would be a better fit for those and my tastes.

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The high dollar blanks are natures work of art but some also seem "busy" for a rifle,

I also struggled with this when looking for a blank for a current project. I finally went with what I liked, knowing that most people would want more to the wood. However, I will not be selling this rifle, and it is being built to my specs at 6'8" tall with a 6'6" armspan.



Also only a couple hundred dollars!

Dempsey, thank you!

Here is some quilted [shelled] maple from our local forests that I was considering having laminated into one stock blank, or incorporating with other maple to make two blanks. It is big-leafed maple otherwise known as Pacific maple. I have two blanks and both are about 2 1/16 inch thick. I only picture one here, but they are from the same log. How many styles would this make? Although I love this wood, it might be a little gaudy for me!