Scale up a Ruger 77, to have a 1.3 inch
barrel thread, .900 bolt diameter, 1.7 inch
wide receiver, and 4.6 inch long magazine,
integral sight mounts, mauser extractor,etc. Then we would perfect size for 600-700s
regular and long, and
have a happy medium between regular action and McBros.Ed.

z1r,
It wasn't spin by the mauser folks. The mechanical advantage is real and demonstrable. The fellow who was better at math than you, still wasn't very good! Having said that, a reduction in striker travel to 5/16" also reduces the slope but the required increase in spring rate gets bolt lift effort back up again.
A longer bridge than on the 98 certainly would do no harm and would indeed reduce the amount of wobble.

Hey Karl,

Hope things have been good since the NRA show.

My perfect rifle will be smooth as butter (well fit), with a good trigger (four pounds or under, crisp), controlled round feed is a must (know too many people who under stress push the bolt closed when they see the empty brass fly only to have an empty chamber with a push feed action), it must shoot well (under an inch for a hunting rifle) and fit my budget.

Everything else is negotiable depending on cost.

I suppose that isn't my perfect rifle, but it is what is required before I buy any rifle.

Aaron

I need to add that all machining to the receiver be CNC machined and the receiver ring be thread milled instead of tapped. In this manner it is possible to order another barrel that simply fits on the action.....even with sights. Thread milling is key to this feature.

Well, I must try to praise the Martini-Henry. A miniature sized version in rimfire calibers and a larger one for centerfire calibers in rimmed calibers excluding the dangerous game rounds.

Personally, I think the dangerous game hunters would most likely use doubles or big bore boltguns. The Martini in calibers upto 405 Win could be a good rifle for small game in the rimfire version and for medium to large non dangerous game in the centrefire version.

This is the suggestion of a non expert who loves Martinis.

Considering that Hein already have a highly praiseworthy bolt action and a falling block for big bores, this is my personal suggestion.

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Originally posted by WaffenfabrikHein:
If you could design and build an action, what features would it have.

Schmidt & Habermann.
Nuff said.

Carcano

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Originally posted by mehulkamdar:
Well, I must try to praise the Martini-Henry. A miniature sized version in rimfire calibers and a larger one for centerfire calibers in rimmed calibers excluding the dangerous game rounds.

Personally, I think the dangerous game hunters would most likely use doubles or big bore boltguns. The Martini in calibers upto 405 Win could be a good rifle for small game in the rimfire version and for medium to large non dangerous game in the centrefire version.

This is the suggestion of a non expert who loves Martinis.

Considering that Hein already have a highly praiseworthy bolt action and a falling block for big bores, this is my personal suggestion.

Mehul, you've lived in Wisconsin too long.....take a vacation west and see what country a rifle is made for. I AM teasing of course.

1. Tang saftey
2. 60 degree bolt lift
3. 2.5 inch short action, 3.2 inch medium, and whatever it takes for the long action.
4. Fixed ejector
5. M98 extractor on long action, Sako style on the two smaller.
6. Real Steel top and bottom.
7. M98/M70 style trigger is good option for cost issues, but quality should allow for a 2 pound release, or give me the Arnold Jewel option.
8. Integral Talley or Leupold QRW style bases.
9. Did I or anyone else mention Tang saftey?????

Mauser M-98 action with integral bases, pop up peep sight, Winchester trigger and safety, Mauser style ejector and bolt release. One piece bolt with a user friendly/attractive handle.

Small (.223) action, Short (.308/.300wsm) action, standard (30-06/.338wm/.458wm) action, large (.375/.416rm/.458 Lott) and a Grande action for those who want to Biggie size their cartridges...

I'd expect to pay for it, just not as much as I paid for my Jeep.

Your action with the machined square bridges are pretty close to ideal. Make us Rain Forest Saltwater country Alaskan Guys a Stainless model! Jack O'Conner states in his Rifle book, written back when they were just figuring how to mount scopes that the European style double square bridges with the scope bases machined integral was the best way to go. He implied that anything else was cobbled up Rube Goldberg, only OK for existing rifles. He was right in my opinion.

Except for Ruger, we are still using cobbled up Mickey Mouse after market bases to hang the scope rings on, on rifles that come with more than misaligned sloppy holes threaded into receiver ring surfaces that may or may not be ground true to each other, or to the axis of the hole bored in the barrel.

Having been through a custom gun project that still has a ways to go, and figuring out all the costs of getting a rough gunsmith action to where your actions are, your price is reasonable, with out all the headaches and and, ifs and maybes and the disappointment of ending up with an inferior half assed half finished unsatisfactory rifle like I did.
Wayne

I would like a SAKO TRG action with 3 position safety.

I don't know if the TRG has an integral recoil lug, but my T3 doesn't, so I would add a Win M70-like lug but longer and tapered on the sides.

R700 left handed short action magnum with a tang saftey for under $400. I only wish!

I would like to see a Mauser M98 rifle action, double square bridges and a peep sight set into the receiver like the BRNO ZKK '600' series had. Of course, being left handed, I would like to see this produced in southpaw configuration.

So, in many respects, I would like your company to bring out a Mauser M98 version of your current bolt action offerings, modelled on the Win Mod 70 pre 1964 style action.

But wait, lets day dream, how about resurrecting the Charles Newton rifle design? These should be offered in his original chamberings. I cannot think of many other all American rifle which would appeal to nostalgia.

The man was way ahead of the times.

Empire Rifles has introduced a double square bridge Mauser action, the 98S. Avalable in stainless or carbon, right and left hand. Not a dolled up 70, this is the real thing. Engineered for accuracy and reliability. H Ring, 100% CNC and EDM. Bridges dovetailed for our ring system. Straddle floorplate, release inside bow, Mauser style bolt stop integral to reciever; Dave Gentry shroud. .700 bolt dia, used for std, magnum and long magnum. There is more information on our web site, http://www.empirerifles.com.

BINFORD M98777001109470. Bolt has mauser claw extractor on right side and Remington style extractor on left side with a Sako style on top. If the plunger ejector doesn't kick out the round then the fixed one will. Telescoping action can be either a short, long, or extra long action to suit the customer. The milled in Weaver style scope base runs the length of the action and is matched with one milled into the barrel. At 2 inch intervals there is a Ruger style base also milled into the extended scope base. You can put any stinking scope on it you want. The triple trigger offers a front trigger of 15 lbs pull with extra gritty action for the Walmart customer, followed by a second military style trigger with a two stage take up and plenty of slop. The final third trigger is a set trigger that will release at 1 oz for you benchresters. There is no safety provided. Don't put ammo into the action until you are ready to shoot. The magazine box also telescopes with the action and has spring loaded sides to accomodate every cartridge ever made. The bolt face uses an expandable collet design to further accomodate any round desired. The barrel attachement is like the Ruger 10/22 for you switch barrel fanatics with a section milled out of the center to allow the use of TC Encore barrels with the provided cross pin. The bolt handle is a flexible synthetic to protect the action from fanatic users who pound on them with 2x4's. An elegant wafer board stock is included with your choice of spray paint for the DIY finish.

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Originally posted by Old Elk Hunter:
BINFORD M98777001109470. Bolt has mauser claw extractor on right side and Remington style extractor on left side with a Sako style on top. If the plunger ejector doesn't kick out the round then the fixed one will. Telescoping action can be either a short, long, or extra long action to suit the customer. The milled in Weaver style scope base runs the length of the action and is matched with one milled into the barrel. At 2 inch intervals there is a Ruger style base also milled into the extended scope base. You can put any stinking scope on it you want. The triple trigger offers a front trigger of 15 lbs pull with extra gritty action for the Walmart customer, followed by a second military style trigger with a two stage take up and plenty of slop. The final third trigger is a set trigger that will release at 1 oz for you benchresters. There is no safety provided. Don't put ammo into the action until you are ready to shoot. The magazine box also telescopes with the action and has spring loaded sides to accomodate every cartridge ever made. The bolt face uses an expandable collet design to further accomodate any round desired. The barrel attachement is like the Ruger 10/22 for you switch barrel fanatics with a section milled out of the center to allow the use of TC Encore barrels with the provided cross pin. The bolt handle is a flexible synthetic to protect the action from fanatic users who pound on them with 2x4's. An elegant wafer board stock is included with your choice of spray paint for the DIY finish.

Can I get it with a variably threaded muzzle?

That was a funny post.

I agree with AD and some others on a cross between a M-98 and a M-70.
I would like it to be double square bridge with integral mounts for Talley rings.
Coned breech
Control round feed but will snap over one in chamber.
One piece bolt with mauser style guide rib
Single "C" cut
Winchester trigger
Flat bottom with large recoil lug
Mauser style shroud that blocks both raceways
Dakota style bolt release
M-70 style 3 position safety
M-98 style firing pin with shoulders that prevent forwards movement when out of battery.
Tapered tang that lays on top of wood like an M-70 instead of a squared end like a M-98 to prevent stock chipping when closely inletted.
All forged and Milled steel
within reason affordable, say spitting distance of $1000
................DJ

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Originally posted by Sandmann:
Empire Rifles has introduced a double square bridge Mauser action, the 98S. Avalable in stainless or carbon, right and left hand. Not a dolled up 70, this is the real thing. Engineered for accuracy and reliability. H Ring, 100% CNC and EDM. Bridges dovetailed for our ring system. Straddle floorplate, release inside bow, Mauser style bolt stop integral to reciever; Dave Gentry shroud. .700 bolt dia, used for std, magnum and long magnum. There is more information on our web site, http://www.empirerifles.com.

Yes, but can the common guy afford even one??

Looks like everyone wants to re-hash or re-invent the original Mauser and/or Win M-70. Why argue with success. On the other hand you guys know guns. Why not start out fresh like George Hoenig did with his round action double. Now that looks like one hell of a double rifle.
Why not think outside the box.

While it is difficult to argue with thebasic Mauser design in a lot of ways, there have been some ideas which have been used in subsequent actions which might be worthy of consideration. Some changes may even have been a true improvement on Mauser's design. Others are only changes.
The Mauser breeching system is fine but the inner ring complicates manufacture of the receiver and may be of no demonstrable benefit. I think the breeching system of the Arisaka is better in many respects. It certainly simplifies the receiver and still does a great job of sealling the cartridge in the chamber.
Another feature of the Arisaka which is, I think, better than Mauser's is the ejector. No spring and the left lug is not fully split. The Arisaka ejector is a very robust and simple piece.
Some features of some modern actions are noteworthy if not desirable. Ruger managed to come up with a couple of features which I thought were quite innovative.
First, the angled front guard screw. While some might consider it to be a bit of a pain in the neck when bedding, I think it does serve it's intended purpose. It does help to ensure the recoil lug is contacting the rear of the mortise.
Second, the bolt stop. Ruger's bolt stop is simple, rugged, and it cushions the bolt's halt with it's nifty little spring and plunger system.
From Savage we get the separate bolt head which is pinned to the bolt body. The use of a separate head has a number of advantages. It allows the bolt head to be made of a different material and be easily heat treated since it is small and simple in design. It allows one to switch bolt faces for different cartridges. It also allows one to incorporate a gas baffle system like Savage uses. This baffle could be made as an integral part of the extractor and collar so the baffle, extractor, and collar would all be one piece and held in place by the bolt head. I kind of like the separate bolt head idea.
I like Mauser's military triggers. I know this sounds strange to many but the 2 stage trigger can be made to feel pretty good and they NEVER fail. I like a vertical interface between the sear and cocking piece. It doesn't tend to lift the bolt as badly. If one insists on a single stage adjustable trigger, the Timney style works just fine.
Integral scope bases are, without a doubt, a good feature. If the BRNO rifles had incorporated a decent recoil shoulder system, they would have been perfect. Just because it was so neat, one would have to incorporate the little pop-up apaerture sight BRNO had into the design. I bought my first BRNO primarily because I was so taken with that sight!
Safties. I don't really care much about safeties. I have M70 types on some Mausers and Beuhlers on others and you know what? I like the Beuhler just fine. It works well. It isn't a 3 position but I don't care because, with my 2 stage triggers, there is little chance of an accidental discharge when the safety is taken off! I just don't consider the safety to be a big deal for myself. For sheer user friendliness, tang safties are great but I don't like the linkages (usually a piece of bent wire) necessary with them. The thing is, an action could be retrofitted with any number of different safety mechanisms.
I'm pretty sure I'll never design an action simply because I have trouble being close minded enough to say "This is absolutely the best way to do it". There are a lot of best ways and, thankfully, a lot of people and companies willing to offer us the options. Regards, Bill.

Bill Leeper,

Thank you very much for the endorsement of the Mauser two stage trigger. I have always liked them on both the Enfields and Mausers and the endorsement by an expert like yourself tells me that I must be on the right track as a learning amateur.

Best wishes and thank you again, sir, for your very detailed and informative post.