i dunno.. ya'll tell me


jeffe's stock machine






browningguy wanted a new stock, and i had been putting him off until i got the machine right...

thanks for coming up Jeff!!!


jeffe

That looks superb jeffe,the only thing I would ask you to change,if I was buying it,would be to cut down the lightening bolt on the cheek piece.Just seems to interupt the flowing lines IMHO.
What is the information on the blank that you used and what would something like that be worth?
Very beautiful!!

I think it looks great. It is a product of the pattern you used, and should not be judged on its shape, but rather on the accuracy of the inletting.

So, the question is, when you put the metalwork into it, how close does it come???

Thanks.
the wood is a fairly nice piece of claro walnut fidle back... browningguy can tell you about the rifle it self..

i am more or less out of the blank business, but that one would be 350-400 retail, might go as low as 300-350, but not from me...

so, it's whateve you can get your blank for, and 100 for me to straight turn it from your or my pattern, and shipping


net net, that should be a 450-500 piece turned.


the inletting is NOT close, on purpose. it is undersized for a good fit. it's .080 or so too small, which allows a fella to fit it the way he wants to.

the long and short of it is that I simpley don't have enough practice with VERY close inletting to risk YOUR blank.... my blanks i can try to get better on.

have a look at the link above the pics

jeffe

Jeffe

I hate to be nosy, but I am wondering what make and model router you used for your machine.

Are ya doing 2 piece stocks yet?

Well I've been busy making sawdust so just had a chance to look at the pics. The fiddleback looks stronger now that I'm getting it cleaned up with 100 grit. This was one of Jeffeoso's patterns, it's going on a barrelled action by Garrett Accuracy. Mauser action with #1 stainless Shilen barrel in 7x64.

Jeffes machine is a marvel, I guess going from a blank to this stage took about 1 hour or so. It does a really good job following small detail like the shadow line cheekpiece. Just needed some cleaning up with a scraper for 5 minutes and the cheekpiece was basically done. Because of the size of the bit the inletting is the majority of the work that is left. The outside is .040 over the pattern as Jeffe said, and needs sanding starting with 100 grit. I figure about 12-14 hours of final sanding the outside to get it just the way I want it.

This will be the first stock I've tried to fit metal to so that part may take me quite a bit longer. I'm planning on full length bedding the barrel and action, then I need to see about getting on Scrollcutters waiting list to get him to make a grip cap for it, also need to get on Sherry's waiting list for checkering.

Jeffe,

you be taken names and kickin butt..........way to go, that looks real good.

Don't forget, I have a couple of patterns if you need to borrow them.

That's great, Jeffe. Put me in line for the Browning we talked about!

jeffe,





Hog Killer

WTG, Jeffe!
As usual great work! sorry I couldn't make it up for the event.

Excellent Jeffe! Congratulations. I'll have to swim across the Sabine to see you for my next stock.

PS: I personally like that cheekpiece just the way it it.

By the way Rusty, he still hasn't raked the yard.

fellas,
thanks for all the comments... means alot.

jeff-browningguy has the lions's share of the work let.... i just got MOST of the wood that wasn't in his stock away from his stock. it's his first inletting experience... and i think he needs billy's number on speed dial, as billy is the best i've seen at that.

provided that the weather holds, i might turn another one monday afternoon/evening... i really want to actually work on the inletting part better, if for nothing but for my preferences.

the jury is kinda out on the zigzag for me... sometimes when i look at that pattern i don't mind it, some times i don't see it... in jeff's stock, kinda changed my opinion where i like it, as it's the only FANCY thing on a nice -to me- pattern, so it suits me.

doug, swim the 'bean and come on over... at least that texas -semi-border river has some water in it.... the rio grande is more of a danger of pulling your hip/back from being stuck in the mud than actually getting wet.

Harry, you are on for two, now...

thanks Billy, i'll wind up needing em soon, i know it...

thanks Keith and Rusty...

Andy,
aint got the that part yet... heh

jeffe

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Originally posted by browningguy:
By the way Rusty, he still hasn't raked the yard.

jeffe,
Congrats, you are doing a very good job with that duplicator. One rarely finds someone with the skills to build one. My hat is off to you.

Very nice work Jeff. Congratulations.

However, I might as well call it as I see it. That "point" on the cheekpiece sucks. Ditch it.

Jeffe, looks really good, can't wait to see it. Do you have a 98 Mauser British express rifle pattern with a fair amount of drop?

Nice Job.

As to the zig-zag, I've got a stock with one and can't quite figure out how to remove it. We'll, can't figure out how to remove it and still have a good looking stock, lol.

Any ideas, how-to's, photo pictorials? Woodworking is not my forte.

Jeff,

I know nothing of the actual process required to inlet a stock other than doing it with a milling machine and taking measurements from an action. When you do it, what is tha actual process???? Do you use the actual barreled action as the master and somehow have the machine route the stock?? How do you ensure the inletting is aligned in the stock. It just seems like there are so many things that could go wrong.

Are you getting ready to do this as a business or just for grins?

Browningguy,
If you have a fair amount of wood to remove on the outside and it sounds like you do, use a file instead of sandpaper. A file will leave long straight plane sufaces while sanding can easily result in dips and dives. Use sandpaper to smooth out the final shape.

thanks Chic and all

i am using a porter cable 1 3/4hp 120 vac
http://www.porter-cable.com/index.asp?e=547&p=2812

if i ever upgrade, i'll go with a 220 varispeed, but thats a bit more than i wanted to spend to get into this...

any 3.5 inch router will basically fit.

as i said, the inletting is purposely too small... which is a far better thing than too big and gappy...

if one truely hated the checkpiece line -which is a question of what suits the owner - then 10-15 mins with a rasp, reshaping into a pancake would be the best solution

jeffe

Jeff, I have a few california cork wood blanks if you wanted to test your skill and take it to the next level and shoot for .040

I also have a pretty decent pattern stock too

quote:

Originally posted by Old Elk Hunter:
Jeff,

I know nothing of the actual process required to inlet a stock other than doing it with a milling machine and taking measurements from an action. When you do it, what is tha actual process???? Do you use the actual barreled action as the master and somehow have the machine route the stock?? How do you ensure the inletting is aligned in the stock. It just seems like there are so many things that could go wrong.

OEH - The barreled action and bottom metal are glass-bedded into the pattern stock. The pantograph then copies the inletting in the new blank. The better the glass-bedding job and the more precise the pantograph, the closer the new stock will be to "perfect".

Glen71,

Thanks for the info. This then means that a stockmaker has a considerable investment in pattern stocks since he needs one for each pattern/action combination. I am surprised they don't charge more for their work.

quote:

Originally posted by alvinmack:
Jeff, I have a few california cork wood blanks if you wanted to test your skill and take it to the next level and shoot for .040

I also have a pretty decent pattern stock too

cork? I must be being dense this morning, as cork is actually an oak... i bet you are taking a poke at cali claro... which can be VERY soft.

I'll be happy to work with ya.

On the inletting, yep, it can be duplicated from your bedded pattern... or undersized from a type pattern, with final inletting done by owner... i CAN do final.. but you won't like my prices... as it's not my favorite thing to do...


we can actually "bed" the patternwith bondo, which gives a workable inletting for duplication.. NOT FOR SHOOTING... if local, we can do it at my place, if not, i'd have to send a pattern.


speaking of patterns, anyone got any old stocks that they want to get rid of?

jeffe

Jeffe:

I've got a Borden Rimrock stock on a M1999 MRC that I would like to use for a pattern for a pretty nice Bastogne blank. But, the wrist on the Rimrock is just a touch too small. Could it be wrapped (tape?) and duped? What would you charge to dupe this stock? Any idea on timeframes?

Thanks. I think what you have there looks mighty good......

MKane160