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27 March 2011, 00:43
McD
Welded action
Bought a Ruger #1 online and taking the forend off this was what I'm the proud owner of now Frowner .
Talked to owner he has been using it like this for years..chambered in 6mm remington ackley
The chamber and porting he did on the barrel also reflect lack of quality gunsmith skills
No idea how much heat would have been put into action when it was welded...basically two spots where the action itself was welded to.
Not to happy about the whole deal.
Considering rebarreling to something with less chamber pressure like a 17 ack hornet etc...trying to make lemonade out of a lemon ?


27 March 2011, 00:58
Cane Rat
quote:
The chamber and porting he did on the barrel also reflect lack of quality gunsmith skills


That has to be the understatement of the year.

Any way you can get your money back? He should have disclosed this.
27 March 2011, 03:04
kcstott
Part of that doesn't even look like weld it looks brazed which is very friggin HACK JOB!!

I'd demand my money back unless it was a supper smoking deal Like around $300 or less.

If it was me and I couldn't get the money back I'd grind that crap out and Tig weld it myself.


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27 March 2011, 03:56
craigster
The only way I'd accept that rifle would be if it was given to me, and I' be thinkin twice about even taking it.
27 March 2011, 04:58
SR4759
He should have revealed that POS by posting photos on line.
27 March 2011, 07:49
Rub Line
Did you buy it on an auction site? If so, I would contact the website (gunbroker?) and they should protect you on this.

If it were me, I'd try to mail it back to him or his ffl, regardless of a refund and take my chances with his conscience.

I think that it would be nice for the rest of us to see a link to the ad where the rifle was posted.


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27 March 2011, 08:03
cal30 1906
Wow Not a pleasent surprise.




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27 March 2011, 13:02
DeerSkinner
The previous owner lacks integrity for not disclosing that horrid work!
27 March 2011, 19:48
Westpac
quote:
Originally posted by kcstott:


I'd demand my money back unless it was a supper smoking deal Like around $300 or less.



You consider $300.00 to be a smoking deal for that do you?


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27 March 2011, 20:12
McD
My main concern is safety of the action, if that has not been compromised then keeping it would be okay...
When I talked with him after I got it he thought everything was fine the way the rifle was so getting my money back would be a up hill battle...shipping was $50 here and would be similar back..I doubt he would take that loss either.
I even threw in a extra $25 to help cover the shipping costs when I paid for it....older guy getting rid of some of guns to hard to get around coyote hunting....did not want him out full cost of shipping.
I can see what the guy had in mind but by making the arm longer and heavier at the end it moves vertically easier then stock. The reinforcement bar welded to action did not help.
I can clean it up and make it look much better....would more then likely remove most of it and tig up stuff if need be.
Part of the deal was redding comp die set...
lots of shank but unfortunately I do not have that reamer so if I can not fix that chamber job....only option there would be set way back and do a 6BR only 6mm reamer I own and there is enough shank to do that .
27 March 2011, 22:09
Dago Red
Man, I'd send it back and out him to everybody I could. The fact that he thought that was ok, and that it was ok not to disclose it? I'll bet he knew it was wrong and he's a lying piece of shit. Was the deal so good that it's worth keeping?

anyways, we all have reasons we do things, if you like it that much and feel it was a good deal then good for you. Personally I've noticed that when something has been a bad deal for me it taints it, and I have a hard time looking at it completely happy again.

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27 March 2011, 23:41
Idaho Sharpshooter
I'd say grounds for a fraud lawsuit to start. File a civil suit, and then have your attorney contact him and ask him how much of a settlement he can afford. If he is not amenable to that, then discuss the fraud charges.

Rich
27 March 2011, 23:47
MFD
Out of curiosity and perhaps I missed it, but how in the world did it end up in that shape to start with?? From what I can tell of the photos it is the hanger area that has had this "expert" repair performed, but again, what would have caused that to happen?? No way would I want that rifle with obvious problems in the past but wish you the best whichever way you go with it.
28 March 2011, 03:04
D Humbarger
Send it back!. The issue is not open for descussion! PERIOD!



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28 March 2011, 07:02
Austin Hunter
Throw it away


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28 March 2011, 07:25
Westpac
McD,

Do yourself a favor and find someone who will give you $300.00 for it and then write off the balance of the money you are out as the price of the education, and move on.


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28 March 2011, 20:32
srtrax
I'm no welder, but after looking at that...maybe I am!!!


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29 March 2011, 05:55
butchloc
i'll go a bit out a a limb here, but looking at pictures i believe if i were stuck with this action i'd fix it up. i know it's a job & i have the nations best welder in shop, but ruger #1's are a strong piece, and i think that cutting the welds apart, doing a good job welding and the some testing that this action can be made usable. BUT this would only hole true if i was stuck with it
06 April 2011, 01:03
wyoske
that kind of work was done by the worst kind of "gunsmith", one who doesn't know that he doesn't know, what else is wrong?, do us all a favor, DO NOT sell or give that to someone else, do whatever you legally have to do in Canada to destroy that action, say crap, and feel good that you did the right thing
06 April 2011, 08:06
jeffeosso
sucks .. send it back, fix it, or cut it in two ... though the action isn't LIKELY hurt, i wouldn't be very dam happy about it


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06 April 2011, 10:17
guncurtis2
As someone said previously, that is brazed not welded. That puts a LOT of heat into the part. However, he may have taken precautions to heat sink the action. Judging by the quality of work, it is not likely that he did. I suppose if you wanted to salvage it, you could send it out to be tested for harness etc. You could also convert it to something low pressure and take your chances.

Bummer when you get one like this. I would certainly raise hell with the seller and any 3rd party such as gunbroker etc.


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06 April 2011, 14:32
Dans40XC
SMAW/Stick welding and firearms don't mix.

Personally deliver the rifle to the seller,demand a refund & pack it in his anatomy where the sun doesn't shine.
Once he removes it have him run it through a chop saw to get it out of circulation.


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09 April 2011, 12:56
Nomo4me
You are letting yourself be bulldogged by that old feller.
Get mean. Get nasty. Get assertive. He took a shit right in your hat and you need to grow a pair and call him on it.

Failing that, I'd salvage it for parts he didn't mess with and toss it in the trash. Move on.
10 April 2011, 02:20
butchlambert
Ron,
It looks like my Buds on the forum agree with me. I hate you are in this situation. Why don't you forward this thread to him.
I know you to be a very nice, honest, and responsible young man. That doesn't mean you can't ask the guy to be fair with you.
Butch
10 April 2011, 02:39
Nomo4me
I'd like to see the auction listing - how much did the seller disclose about his blacksmithing work?
10 April 2011, 08:56
buckeyeshooter
quote:
Originally posted by McD:
Bought a Ruger #1 online and taking the forend off this was what I'm the proud owner of now Frowner .
Talked to owner he has been using it like this for years..chambered in 6mm remington ackley
The chamber and porting he did on the barrel also reflect lack of quality gunsmith skills
No idea how much heat would have been put into action when it was welded...basically two spots where the action itself was welded to.
Not to happy about the whole deal.
Considering rebarreling to something with less chamber pressure like a 17 ack hornet etc...trying to make lemonade out of a lemon ?



I'd request a refund and send it back, if you did not know about this before the sale.