I am curious about the various small ring mauser actions. Which actions were built as small ring actons, and how do they rank in general desirability? Include both civilian actions such as the Kurtz and Husqvarna 1600's and military including the various 93/94/95 actions, 98/98K/KAR98, 1910 Mexicans, and any others that I may have missed.

Dave

Dave

Jeff,

Thanks for reminding me that the various M98 actions are covered in Forrest's post, but how do they rank in terms of desirability, including the older Pre-98 styles?

Dave

to me..
the kurtz is number ONE....

then the 36 mexican
then the 1910

and after that, I kind of loose interest

the commercial kurz, G 33/40, Vz33, and the Mexicans are all desirable and command prices above the large ring actions. There are some other variants such as the BRNO small ring actions with integral dovetails, a few small ring FN's, and a hand full of others. These are also desirable.

The KAR 98, 93, 95, 96, etc. are several orders of magnitude less desirable than the above small rings, and a couple or three orders of magnitude less desirable than the plain 98 large ring.

You mentioned the 98 and 98k - both large ring.

This is a very broad question-what exactly are you wanting to know?

Marc:

Thanks, that is the sort of information I am soliciting. Why are the KARs less desirable, and what about the Polish actions?

Dave

KAR 98's were small ring, large barrel shank actions. THey had precious little metal over the chamber and barrel threads. There were problems with actions stretching and some cracking. I think Germany stopped making those even before WW I was over.

polish actions are considered to be of the highest quality. They are somewhat scarce, and their price reflects that.

Again, these are very broad questions. if you will help us understand what it is you are "getting at," then we can give you better answers the first time.

Thanks

Marc:

Thanks for continuing to humor me, and I was curious about why they stopped making the KAR actions. I was intentionally vague because I wanted to see what comments would surface. I have learned a lot by asking vague questions and then letting people fill in the blanks. However, since Kurtz actions are very scarce, and I would like a small trim mauser action to shorten for a .250 Savage project, I was curious.

Dave

I have shortened Mexicans that were not cherry. THis makes a nice, small, light action for the .25-3000. I think you have a very good iiea there!

One other thing, I have seen a guy who milled the ring down on Turks and made small ring, small shank actions. He would then shorten those. If you do a search here, you will find a discussion about the practice. There are potential problems, and I would not do it myself.

You can still find ratty Mexicans and shorten them, weld up the pits, and make a .250 nice action.

Marc:

Again, thanks for the reply, I guess that I will start looking for a ratty Mexican action.

Dave

Marc, are you refering to something like this I just seen on gunbrokers?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=69150120

The only true small rings mentioned are the G33-40 and the VZ33s made for German Customs. The others mentioned are large ring small thread actions according to Jack Belk.

The Mexican 1936's and 1910's, the Polish and German Kar 98's, are small ring 98 variants.

The Kar's are standard length just as the VZ33 & G33/40 are, however, as Mark already pointed out, they are small ring large thread. Whereas the G33/40 and VZ33 are small ring/small thread just like the commercial cousin the M21/22 Brno.


The Mexican SR 98's are small ring/small thread but intermediate length just like the true small ring Mausers (93-96).

If somebody would copy a swedish 96 action body but put a 98 type bolt in it and make it out of good steel they would sell a lot of them.

Timan????

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
If somebody would copy a swedish 96 action body but put a 98 type bolt in it and make it out of good steel they would sell a lot of them.

Timan????

Hmm, that would like reinventing the SR Mex 98.

Thanks Zlr,
That clears me up on my post, maybe I misunderstood Jack.

quote:

Originally posted by 22WRF:
If somebody would copy a swedish 96 action body but put a 98 type bolt in it and make it out of good steel they would sell a lot of them.

Timan????

I have seen one rifle about like this. It appeared to be a Spanish M93 carbine stocked to the muzzle like a M94 Swede. However it had a M98 bolt. I have never seen a photo or one or any mention of it in any publication.

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Originally posted by Joel/AK:
Marc, are you refering to something like this I just seen on gunbrokers?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=69150120

Description says a large ring mauser milled to small ring configuration. Unless it's a Turk, this would make it an undesireable small ring/large ring threaded action?

And if it is a Turk, it's already been determined to have less than required steel in the front ring by the more knowledgeable 'smiths on this site.