I have a P17 action on a 300 win mag I cant stand the trigger my gunsmith took the play out but its still to stiff. all the aftermarket triggers call for a 5 shot or 6 shot so I'm not sure what to buy mine wont hold any more then 3 or 4

Call the tech guys at Brownells. Unless I’m mistaken the aftermarket triggers that are listed as either “5 or 6†round models are referring to the type of trigger guard you have. If the trigger guard has been converted from the humped Enfield the original trigger is too long for the bow.

jeffeoso know as much about Enfield actions as anyone on here so you might ask him.

As a side note, you just joined my pet peeve club by referring to a US Enfield as a “P-17.â€

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all the aftermarket triggers call for a 5 shot or 6 shot so I'm not sure what to buy mine wont hold any more then 3 or 4

5 or 6 shot refers to the magazine capacity of 30-06 cartridges.....

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referring to a US Enfield as a “P-17.†Smiler

I'm reminded of the term "Crescent wrench"

First introduced by the Crescent tool company it was so universally used, it just becme known as a "Crescent wrench"....even though it's correct name is the "adjustable wrench"

I'm now to the point that the term "P-17" has been so universally used to describe the US Enfield model of 1917 that it now has become the (almost) correct term.

Ever hear of the creation of the term "JEEP"?

I believe "jeep" came from the original Popeye sailer cartoon. His pet dog or what ever it was was named "Jeep" and he could go anywhere.

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Originally posted by GSP7:
I believe "jeep" came from the original Popeye sailer cartoon. His pet dog or what ever it was was named "Jeep" and he could go anywhere.

this explains it well

Wow didnt mean to offend anyone thats just how it was told to me. thanks for the help guys

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Originally posted by 7mm mashburn:
Wow didnt mean to offend anyone thats just how it was told to me. thanks for the help guys

I wasn’t “offended†in any way!

Just a personal quirk of mine because every time someone says P-17 my mind automatically thinks British P-14. The “P†stands for Pattern which is a term used by the Brits.

The 6 shot trigger is the original length trigger on bottom metal that is not modified, or if the bottom has been straightened a longer front screw was used with the original rear screw. With the five shot it, refers to a straightened bottom where the original front screw is used and the rear screw is shortened, along with the magazine depth.

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Originally posted by hart:
The 6 shot trigger is the original length trigger on bottom metal that is not modified, or if the bottom has been straightened a longer front screw was used with the original rear screw. With the five shot it, refers to a straightened bottom where the original front screw is used and the rear screw is shortened, along with the magazine depth.

Yep.. OR if you have a "taller" than remingotn model 30 stock ... and if you have a VERY tall stock, (think coil check) you have to order the AA version... hmmm, what in hannibal's sake does AA stand for?

anyway, you are generally safe getting the 6

jeffe

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by hart:
The 6 shot trigger is the original length trigger on bottom metal that is not modified, or if the bottom has been straightened a longer front screw was used with the original rear screw. With the five shot it, refers to a straightened bottom where the original front screw is used and the rear screw is shortened, along with the magazine depth.

Yep.. OR if you have a "taller" than remingotn model 30 stock ... and if you have a VERY tall stock, (think coil check) you have to order the AA version... hmmm, what in hannibal's sake does AA stand for?

anyway, you are generally safe getting the 6

jeffe

OK Jeffe, now you really got me confused.

I have 3 M17s and all have the "5 round" trigger in them IIRC. When 7MM Mashburn said he could fit only 3 or 4 300 Win Mag in the mag, I would think his mag has been modified and the "5 round" trigger should be used.

What am I missing??? Thanks.

Jim

hahahah I'm more confused now then when i started but love all the imput this is a great web site

Guys, the link posted earlier works for an explanation of "Jeep". But I use it like this.

Just
Educated
Enough to
Pass

Get it? I do work with a lot of folks that fit into that category.

I'm semi-surprised a 'smith cant lighten your trigger for you. I've bought 2 M17's in the past few months and both are reasonably light as the previous owners had them worked over.
Cheers...
Con

My 06 Model of 1917 modified is right at 3.5 lbs.
My .458 Lott modified or sporterized is right at 4.5 lbs.
Both are straightened.
I don't recall my gunsmith saying they were a problem lightening but eliminating the last bit of creep was.
My next one is probably going to be a 510 Wells and I would think @5Lbs.

iirc, the 6 or 5 rounder is only .0625 difference... and it's easier to fix a slightly too long than to cut and weld and shape and blue a too short one... don't ask how I know

the AA trigger is like .125 longer than a 5

Frank,
you'll want as LIGHT a trigger as you feel comfortable with on a 510... here's why... you don't want to be overly worried with trigger pull and pulling off target with a HUGE one... a nice 2-3# allows for you to have enough feel, but won't promote trigger jerking.. for example, the 450 marlin is a BITCH to shoot with a factory trigger and pad... about 50/50 for which is worse

jeffe

Here is a modified enfield trigger out of one of mine. Welded on creep and overtravel tabs with adjustment screws, and shortened

All these years I have thought that "Jeep"
(from Popeye) was a nickname for the GP (general purpose) vehicle. Sort of like "Jenny"
for a JN4Y airplane.
If your 17 Enfield looks pregnant it is a 6 shot.
Good Luck!

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Frank,
you'll want as LIGHT a trigger as you feel comfortable with on a 510... here's why... you don't want to be overly worried with trigger pull and pulling off target with a HUGE one... a nice 2-3# allows for you to have enough feel, but won't promote trigger jerking.. for example, the 450 marlin is a BITCH to shoot with a factory trigger and pad... about 50/50 for which is worse

I think that is a very good idea. Actually I had the 416 Rigby adjusted to 3lbs 10 oz. and it did make shooting smaller groups much easier. I have never been too recoil sensitive but why string out the anticipation.

7mm Mashburn. Maybe if you posted a photo.
Frank

Funny on the P17 thing...I had never heard that term used for US Enfields until I came on AR.

I will admit though that for about a month or so when I first came here every time someone used the term “DGR†I thought they meant “Darn Good Rifle!â€

Here a .303 would be called a P14, and a 30-06 would be called an M-17. Saves reading the writing?

I never heard of anything else being called an "Enfield" until a few yrs ago. Tried looking them up and all I found/find are Brit's.

I grew up with one, still got it and two others.

That's a mighty fine looking trigger shown above. Wish I had one to look over. just might remodel mine like this.

First gun's still original trigger. Second's been changed and has a really nice pull. Looks like the firing pin follower?? was cut out/filed out near as ican tell. Sure shoots nice.

Never seem to find a Timney when I've got the money to spend on them or would have been changed long ago.

Just takes practice shooting them is all. Gosh, must have fired 10,000 rounds thru the first one. Barrel's so slick the rifling can barely been seen. But, still puts them all on a typing page at 300yds. That's what counts, plus it keeps bringing home the meat.

George

Funny I have always heard of P14s as P14 303 British Enfield and U.S. Enfield as 1917 Enfield.

And then the P14 and P17 to differientiate the two with a manner of shorthand.

Course this is only since the 60s so I don't know about historic referals.

DeHaas says that on the receiver one finds:
U.S.
MODEL OF 1917
EDDYSTONE
(or WINCHESTER or REMINGTON)
Serial number

HEY FOLKS THERE JUST AIN'T NO RIGHT AND WRONG ON THIS ONE, j ust different terminology for the same thing,

May as well dip my oar in; The P is for pattern, the number is the year the Britts adopted it. . The British had a Pattern 13 (a 7mm magnum really), and it was modified to 303 as the Pattern 14. In 1917 the USA modified it again to the Model 1917.
There never was a P17.
Good luck!

TC:

You're wrong.

The Brits designed the .276 Pattern 1913 as an intended replacement for the .303 Lee Enfield, and the machinery was made to produce it. World War I then broke out, and the design was modified to use the .303 cartridge instead and was redesignated Pattern 1914. The machinery was then shipped to the US for production of the P-14 here. When the US entered the war in 1917, there weren't enough '03 Springfields. Since the British P-14 was in full production here, as a stopgap, the British design was again modified to use our .30-06, and was re-designated US Enfield, Model of 1917. The .303 is the British P-14, the .30-06 is the American M-17. There is no such thing as a P-17.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

Don't look like I got my post like it should have been.

Way I learned: "Enfield's were the 1917's" and ".303 British" is what those were called.

That's all I knew until a few yrs ago when I started looking things up, and seeing ad's for 'Enfield' parts and they were always for the british guns. It's still hard for me to accept the .303's as Enfields, just because that's the way things were called where I've been is all.

I bought a .303 for my first wife and taught her how to shoot it well, reloaded and worked up a load good enough for mule deer that she could handle. First hunt made me proud. She made a one shot kill and I had to finish mine up.

George

For the Knotted Knicker set:When I first saw "Enfield",I thought of the S.M.L.E.,very commonly called a Lee-Enfield around here.It was surprise when they were referring to the M1917.But I know now were to look for parts to my P-17