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I know it's been a while, but we finally got this one done too..... The prices will be the same as the long-actions, which are as follows: In-The-White $99.95 Polished & Blued $149.95 Matte Blued $129.95 Stainless Matte $159.95 As mentioned earlier in regards to the long-actions; these new parts will accept any aftermarket trigger originally designed for the Remington 700 and will utilize the factory BDL magazine box, rather than our older models that needed an ADL box. They are a true drop-in that will require no gunsmithing to fit and they are drafted with 2deg. taper on all sides for easier inletting into custom stocks. All of these models also use an inside-the-bow release system as well as being made from one solid forging. There are no welds or joints. It will be a couple of weeks before these are available for purchase online, since we have sent parts out to our photographer and will need to have those in hand and get the website up to date. They are available for purchase however by calling our toll-free number at 1-888-257-3006. Supply is limited right now, but we are working quickly on building a large inventory of these parts in all finishes. Williams Machine Works | ||
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what is leade time on the long action 700s. Looks like I will have two stock ones for sale. They are sweet. Early x-mas present to me. | |||
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Matt, looking good!! check you PMs opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Matt, very nice. | |||
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Absolutely loverly, as Rex harrison sang in the movie. | |||
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Matt , Any problem at your end in sending one to Australia ? The hunting imperative was part of every man's soul; some denied or suppressed it, others diverted it into less blatantly violent avenues of expression, wielding clubs on the golf course or racquets on the court, substituting a little white ball for the prey of flesh and blood. Wilbur Smith | |||
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Matt, Fantastic, I have been holding out for these. More importantly, when do you think Winchester Model 70 (post-64) long action versions will be available? Can't wait! What about Mauser 98 stuff, is that still part of your product offering plan? Thanks! Bob | |||
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Not a problem......just call either our toll-free number or you can contact us by calling 1-541-447-7370 and speak with Pamm. She can tell you what the costs and requirements will be to get it there. Williams Machine Works | |||
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The long-action 70's are next on the hit list, which will be much easier than the Remingtons. The rest will fall in approximately this order: Short-Action Model 70 Pre-64 Model 70 Mauser 98 Kimber 84 Model seven Remington We're also going to be offering drop-box models for the long-action and pre-64 model 70's as well. I'm working on the new CADD drawings for the long model 70's now, along with some others too. Another model that will fall into this mix, probably sooner, rather than later will be the Howa 1500 in short and long-action configurations. Williams Machine Works | |||
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Looks nice, but that trigger hole looks awful big. easy for dirt to get in there isn't it. Also, how about another photo to show the release button inside the trigger bow. What does that look like. | |||
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It's got to be that big to accomodate the aftermarket triggers and the bolt release button. That's the rub on the M700 trigger. Williams Machine Works | |||
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So, are you saying the Winchester ones, and the model 98 ones will have smaller trigger slots? | |||
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Looking good, Matt. I'll need both a long and a short 1500 Howa, when their ready... | |||
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Yes....this is true, since the trigger on the Winchester and 98 don't protrude down into the guard like the model 700 does. The opening on our new guard is very similiar to that of the ADL.....it needs the room and lots of it. Williams Machine Works | |||
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Matt: Will your Model 700 bottom metal fit the following model 700 clones: Lawton, Extreme Precision, Borden, and Stiller. How does your bottom metal compair to Dave Kiffs' PT&G Model 700 bottom metal? Longshot | |||
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If the clones are truly a clone in bolt hole spacing, then yes.......they'll fit. As far as Dave Kiff's trigger guards, I've yet to ever see one....Only rumors that they're coming available, so to say how good they are in comparison, I can't. Up until these parts, the only other manufacturer of bottom metal that is currently in business making them, that makes a true one-piece that hasn't been welded or assembled is Blackburn and his are made of plate. Our guards are made of a solid drop-hammer forging and most likely the only one ever to date to use that technology. We pulled out all the stops when we made these guards and to my knowledge, we're the only ones that have made a true drop-in part for the Remington that didn't require any inletting. I know that our customers can spend more than what we're charging on bottom metal, but I'll sit these side-by-side with any of them being made to date for quality. Williams Machine Works | |||
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Matt, Is you photo above represenative of the finish that is delivered with the in the white version. Has the guard in the photo received more hand finishing than what you would normally ship in the white. | |||
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That is the finish that we supply these parts in-the-white as. Most of our customers who are looking to matte blue their parts, will simply blast them and blue them....nothing more. To achieve a fine luster finish is a very simple one. Our goal is to achieve a finish that is absent of nearly all tool marks, leaving less work for the customer or smith to take to finish. Williams Machine Works | |||
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I'd like to make another post about our In-The-White finish that we have pictured here.... Previously, we had been making our In-The-White finish exactly as you see it above, but because of some minute burrs that have been showing up that are effecting assembly, we've been running our parts through the vibratory tumbling machines. This does a better job of blending the latch to the trigger guard bow and makes final assembly go much smoother. Basically what you end up with is the part pictured above that has been hand polished and blended, but then ran through the tumbling process. To obtain a matte finish on the part, you'll only need to bead blast and blue the part. If you desire a high-luster polish finish, then it will be just as easy as it was before to get it there, if not easier. Just wanted to make sure that this was clarified with our customers. These parts are without a doubt, the easiest in-the-white parts to bring to final finish than any other manufacturer of bottom metal on the market today. We do our best to make the parts as close to finish the first time, so you aren't spending excessive time getting them to final finish on your time. I'll be getting some pictures up on Monday that shows this new finish. Williams Machine Works | |||
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Matt, Thanks for the excellent explanation. Providing a completed assembly less significant tool marks is a characteristic of a highly developed machining process. Do you supply long action metal also? | |||
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Matt It would seem, now that you have considerable experience with the drop forging process, that the next step would be to see about drop forging a nice little mauser action. Say something very similar to the G.33/40 or the Kurz, or something like it. I am just curious (nosy) as to how you got interested in using that drop forging process for your parts. I know that the Italians use that process quite a bit for some of their parts on some of their expensive shotguns. | |||
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Yes we do.....we actually had those available before we did the short-actions. Williams Machine Works | |||
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We started using a drop-hammer forgings for trigger guards back in 1994. The reason for this was due to the fact that we had previously been machining all of the guards out of 416 stainless rectangular barstock for Winchester. Winchester's demands on us at that time was upwards of 40,000 units per year, which was a load to say the least. For the size of barstock that we needed, we virtually ran the world's supply out, short of about 30 days worth of production. The last remainder of barstock available was in France and would have only lasted us another month's worth of production. Seeing this coming, we decided to develop the forge process further and had our dies made up in a forging house in Rhode Island. By doing this the forging could be made of 1" round barstock, something that was readily available and it reduced our machine time, due to the fact that it was closer to near net shape. The original forging design that we had was made only to accomodate the M70 standard trigger guard, so it had it's limitations as far as size was concerned. We were forced to make a two-piece bottom metal that we had to use a mechanical joint with in order to make our original one-piece bottom metals. We still had to buy regtangular barstock for the rail section of the bottom metal that floorplate hinges on and the floorplate. After doing this for several years, we decided that the whole piece would be a better product, easier to make, and less expensive for our customers if we could have the rail and the trigger guard forged into one solid piece. Well, the result is what you see above.......no welds, no joints, just one solid piece of steel. Williams Machine Works | |||
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Matt Thanks for that explanation. I hope this new product will be very very successful for you. | |||
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Update I received 3 of Matt's Rem S.A. trigger guards last week. All were in the white. Two were of the polished finish and one was the tumbled. I would rate all 3 guards as very good + to excellent for fit finish and styling. If anybody has a use for this type guard I would recommend that you buy it now, because I don't see how a guard of this quality can be produced for this price for any length of time. James | |||
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Matt- What do you think your time line is for the Model 70 Classics and Mauser 98's? I realize that production targets are fluid and subject to change but, would you care to guess when these other units might be available? Thanks in advance. May the wind be in your face and the sun at your back. P. Mark Stark | |||
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I don't see 1917's on the list any plans? -Don | |||
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Don- Thanks for that plug for M-1917's. Matt, I will second Don's motion for some bottom metal assemblies for M-1917/P-14's. We Enfield fans need some help in this area as well. May the wind be in your face and the sun at your back. P. Mark Stark | |||
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The model 70 is still next on the list, but we've been having a bear of a time trying to mate up our programs from the Remington to the Winchester. We're getting closer and hopefully before this week is over, we might just have something to brag about.....that's the plan....Of course plans have a tendency to change depending on the amount of existing work we get hit with. I really don't think we could have the long model 70's ready to advertise for selling for another 2-3 weeks, but I'm also hoping I'm wrong. Once all the model 70's are in production, we'll start working on the 98, but that one will take some time, due to the aquiring of the mag box for the project. The 14/17's are going to be a problem because they are so wide. We'll most likely run those out of plate, but I would hate to give a guesstimate as to when we'll be jumping on that. Sorry I couldn't bring better news, but that's the spot we're in. Williams Machine Works | |||
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