http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/vest.php?id=16975
“Zastava Oruzjeâ€, “Remington†sign agreement worth $3.2 million


Kragujevac, Oct 18, 2005 – Director of the factory “Zastava Oruzje†Dragoljub Grujovic and President of the American arms manufacturer “Remington†Thomas Milner signed today in Kragujevac the first commercial agreement for the sale and marketing of “Zastava Oruzje†products in the US during the forthcoming year, in a deal worth $3.2 million.

The agreement concerns the sale and marketing of various “Zastava Oruzje†products including, sport weapons, as well as joint development of new sport models of weapons, exchange of experience and the introduction of technical and technological innovations.

The agreement also envisages that in the forthcoming year, 24,000 carbine and small-calibre units will be placed on the US market; however the carbines will be delivered without butts and with the label, “Remington-Zastavaâ€. The butts will be installed in the US since “Remington†produces quality polymer and layered-wood butts.

The first sale and marketing of “Zastava Oruzje†in the US, Canadian and Mexican markets is expected to take place at the beginning of 2006 and “Remington†has already printed a new catalogue that includes the offer of “Zastava Oruzje†products.

The signing of the agreement was attended by Serbian Minister of Labour, Employment and Social Policy Slobodan Lalovic, Serbian Minister of Capital Investment Velimir Ilic, as well as representatives of the Serbia-Montenegro Ministry of Defence, Serbian Chamber of Commerce, the US embassy in Belgrade, directors of business banks and representatives of local and regional authorities.

These look like the Mauser actions being imported by Charles Daly now.
http://www.zastava-arms.co.yu/english/civilni.htm

I guess I'll be one of the first to see in Jan.

This really makes one wonder.....

A quick run of the numbers.

$3.2 M /24,000 pc = $133.33ea barreled action.

And they have already brought in ALL OF THOSE SPARTAN SxSs

Hog Killer

I guess another idea is that because Remington is having so many problems with two factories here in the U.S., they could be thinking of having Zastava build the M700 action there?

only taking 40 years to get back to the model 30.

jeffe

Thanks !
For putting that link up !
If Remington was to import the M-70 action , they would have to find another name for it !
I wonder witch of the available calibers would be sold in the us ? I would like to see the 6.5 X 57, the 6mm Rem and the 9.3 X 62, And the .264 win would be great too !. If the marketing gurus at remington get to deep in the progect we will likly see Rums and saum, witch would prety much kill the thing for me ! ...tj3006

I haven't liked the company that Remington's evolved into ever since it was sold by DuPont. I miss the old days, when Remington had smart, classly, talented guys like Mike Walker and Wayne Leek running the show. They understood their customers, and they understood rifles and quality far better than the current cast of players does. That's my opinion, anyway.

And now the grand old company has become an importer of foreign-built rifles and shotguns of questionable pedigree! Good grief, what's next!?

You'd think that in this day of CNC equipment that somehow, someway Remington would be able to recreate a modern version of the old Model 30S or Model 720, and build it right here, in the good ol' U.S. of A.............

That's the huckleberry that a lot of us have been waiting for, but something tells me it'll never come to pass

AD

Here's the M70 (I like the name)

ZASTAVA LK M70
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Originally posted by Hog Killer:

And they have already brought in ALL OF THOSE SPARTAN SxSs

Yeah! I'm still waiting for the bargain price double rifles.......

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Originally posted by Fjold:
Here's the M70 (I like the name)

ZASTAVA LK M70
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Boy! Wouldn't that be super in 7X57mm!!

If you plan to use a scope with that misshaped, obsolecent stock, you'd have to have a head shaped like that of a Grand Canyon burro, plus the double-set triggers are another old-world concept that I'd rather do without.

They can keep that sumbitch as far as I'm concerned........

AD

Ditto that, including the set triggers... worthless.

It's the same piece of crap now being sold by Charles Daly.

Is my 'puter skewed or am I seeing one of those ugly european hog backed stocks???

Maybe there is some Remington design that stands out but they are in a bad place these days. I see this Spartan stuff and now the Serbian connection as somewhat similar to where Colt was twenty years ago. Only Colt had the M-16 contract then.

Just selling the name in a desperate attempt to generate cash flow?

Nice looking color on that stock. I have some double and single set triggers and they take getting used to, thats all.

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24,000 carbine and small-calibre units will be placed on the US market; however the carbines will be delivered without butts and with the label, “Remington-Zastavaâ€. The butts will be installed in the US since “Remington†produces quality polymer and layered-wood butts.

Sounds to me like pumps and semi autos unless by 'butts' they mean stocks. Could be wrong, I've been know to be before.

What happened to the nice classic Rem stock and 700 ajustable trigger. Double set triggers, yuk.

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Originally posted by allen day:
You'd think that in this day of CNC equipment that somehow, someway Remington would be able to recreate a modern version of the old Model 30S or Model 720, and build it right here, in the good ol' USofA.............

That's the huckleberry that a lot of us have been waiting for, but something tells me it'll never come to pass

AD

I sent Reminngton an e-mail about bringing back the 30S several months ago. That would be a great reintroduction, bent bolt handle and all. And they could do a factory made H&H lenght mag and bolt face too. Image 300 H&H, 375 H&H, 416 Rem, 458 Lott, 470 Capstick, all on a proper lenght action, CRF, with a very positive safty.

Too bad you have to find a 70 year old rifle to make up a proper DGR like this.


Hog Killer

Hog Killer, now THAT is a real action! It features plenty of room to work with, plenty of strength, class, and built-in design safety. You can make a 416 Rigby on it, 458 Lott, 375 H&H, 375 RUM -- whatever your heart desires, but it's especially suited to the bigger rounds.

I'd like to think that Remington has enough recidivistic imagination to see the possibility of resurrecting they're own design, but maybe I'm giving them too much credit. Heck, USRAC did with with the Model 70 Classic, so why not take a hard run at the Model 30S?

AD

I had some friends with Model 720 rifles, and I passed out a few when I was Executive Officer for the Pacific Fleet matches years ago (they were Secretary of the Navy Award Rifles). I would like to see Remington bring that variant back.

There have been rumors that Remington has some actions and tooling archived (of course the tools were for old time production). Don't know if it is true or false, but they could give Zastave a M720 and push the Copy Button (Zastava has the old FN production tooling).

jim

It sounded like whatever they bring in will be stocked in tupperware or plywood. Remington seems to be fixated on the very low end of the market.

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Originally posted by kaboom:
It sounded like whatever they bring in will be stocked in tupperware or plywood. Remington seems to be fixated on the very low end of the market.

So, get a barreled action, a classic mauser pattern stock, and a hunk of walnut.

Hog Killer

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Originally posted by kaboom:
It sounded like whatever they bring in will be stocked in tupperware or plywood. Remington seems to be fixated on the very low end of the market.

Unfortunately, that’s what you get for the prices most customers are willing to pay for a rifle used once a year to scare deer.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Terry

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Originally posted by DPhillips:
I guess another idea is that because Remington is having so many problems with two factories here in the U.S., they could be thinking of having Zastava build the M700 action there?

They should just drop the M700, as the M98 is vastly superior!

They should import this 8x57

Remington has not known how to make a CRF since the early 1920's when they assembled the Model 30 from left over Model 1917 parts. The Rem employees I have talked to were not exactly bright bulbs, so I don't expect any new ideas from them (or even old ideas, in the case of a Mauser 98 action ).

I like the model 720 idea. If it could be done for around $750, $1000 for magnums, I'm sure it would sell. If they do a good job, I'll own one.

It appears these are the same rifles being imported by Century Arms right at this time. Check out their web site.

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Originally posted by allen day:
If you plan to use a scope with that misshaped, obsolecent stock, you'd have to have a head shaped like that of a Grand Canyon burro, plus the double-set triggers are another old-world concept that I'd rather do without.

They can keep that sumbitch as far as I'm concerned........

AD

I totally agree.

What an ugly piece of crap!

The picture that hog killer posted of the Remington model 30s makes me think of my dad's 1917 springfeild (made by winchester) or even the patern 14 enfield. Exscuse my ignorance, but how did Remington get to making those?

Remington sent me the new prototype to test, but I sold it off to a fellow member Hey 323, they want their rifle back





Weagle

Weagle,

I gave the rifle to my good buddy M1Tanker or Bill, I did not sell it to him! Hopefully he doesn't do anything off the wall and get it rechambered to something else or he pull's one of my dad's famous trade it off or sell it in two months. I shot the rifle and man did it shoot, probably be hard pressed to find another one like it, in that shape again. Last I heard he was trying to find the correct a peep sight for it.

John

323, It may be the last one on the planet that hasn't been monkeyed with. They need to pass it around at every meeting held by Remington to get their minds in the right place

Weagle

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Originally posted by bigguns45:
The picture that hog killer posted of the Remington model 30s makes me think of my dad's 1917 springfeild (made by winchester) or even the patern 14 enfield. Exscuse my ignorance, but how did Remington get to making those?

It should remind you of those, as remmington also made m17s and p14s..

they had parts and more importantly TOOLING left over after the wars, and they took the ears off the thing, straightened the floorplate, nice sporter stock... at first (i understand) they left the cock on close and 2 stage trigger.. the cock on close was later changed.

the 30S is probably the best remington made, with a great safety.



jeffe

Would love to see rmeington bring back the model 30 to compete with the 70 safaris

quote:

Originally posted by allen day:
If you plan to use a scope with that misshaped, obsolecent stock, you'd have to have a head shaped like that of a Grand Canyon burro, plus the double-set triggers are another old-world concept that I'd rather do without.

They can keep that sumbitch as far as I'm concerned........

AD

ROFLMFAO

Allen,
you are the biggest "traditionalist" on here.. but when presented with a strongly traditional rifle, to euro standards, you balk...
interesting...


I am certain you know this stock design presented is NOT meant for scopes (unless the jaeger was ancient), and only an american would actually want to scope that rifle... destroying its purpose and design.


This company also makes stocks for scope use...


"head like a ...mule"...

jeffe

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Remington has not known how to make a CRF since the early 1920's when they assembled the Model 30 from left over Model 1917 parts. The Rem employees I have talked to were not exactly bright bulbs, so I don't expect any new ideas from them (or even old ideas, in the case of a Mauser 98 action ).

What a testimonial Dan? Perhaps Remington must close their factory and become a distributor of these rifles, bundle it up with a nice ad, bribe a gun writer to say its nostalgic and the resurrection of a great idea. That way they can avoid losses, as they only have to concentrate on liquidating stocks on the shelf and pay 80% of the staff off, icluding those dumb ones you refer to. To give the project some credence import a few people from Yu to help with the sales pitch.

Chris

Maybe Im just not looking in the right places, but I still havent seen any of the "Spartan" rifles that they were supposed to begin importing sometime last January. Id still like a 223/20 ga for beatin the brush about this time of year.

I cant help but wonder if these buy ups of the right to cheap imports isnt just an anti competition move on big greens part. Lots of malcontent on these forums for the CD actions, but I think they have sold quite a few of them anyway.

Im sure that if they do indeed import Zastava rifles that there will be an Americanized version. Nevertheless, all of those who have such a distaste for dual set triggers can send them to me in exchange for an adjustable single. Ill take those ugly outdated dual set units off your hands..

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Originally posted by 500grains:
The Rem employees I have talked to were not exactly bright bulbs.......

Hence releasing the .35 Whelen with a 1/16" twist!!!