A close friend, who is a gun dealer, took an Argentine in trade. It has a CM barrel in#4 taper, Timney trigger, and looks to have a lot of receiver work done. It is very smooth to operate. Some feed rail work has been done. It is in 284. The custom wood looks good and the bedding looks great. The bolt has been worked on. I can take pics tomorrow. The barrel channel has been full lengthed glassed. Is it worth checking out further at $500. I am not a Mauser person and don't know what to look for. Any help would be appreciated. Butch

It won't be a steal at that amount, but might be worth it. Does it look like the work was done by a professional or by Bubba?

some questions I would have:

Is it drilled and tapped (and are they done well if so, and do they fit the bases they holes were setup for)?

Has the safety been changed for scope use?

Has the bolt handle been redone/replaced? (if replaced look carefully at the root to see how it was welded. A good weld (tig Ideally) job should look smooth and clean, anything with pitting or other "dirty weld" signs should be redone)

What brand is the barrel if you can tell.

Say you figure 150 for a good specimen in the military condition (some guys here have sources and I think get them less, lucky sob's). then 150 minimum for a good barrel, the timney, and a wood stock. I don't think there's a way to keep it under 500.

But make sure it feeds and ejects without hiccups!

Red

It looks as if the bolt handle has been replaced. I was told that it had a Buehler safety. I think the barrel is a Shilen. The stock work looks good, black wood grip cap and tip. Checkering looks OK. It is cock on closing. Butch

Dago,
I aint seen a cleaned up 1909 for 150 lately... VZs, sure, but not 1909s.. i've seen just the bottom metal for for 100 or more.

Butch,
if the gun looks nice, and you want a 284, get it with a group size warrenty. say 1" or better.

Beuhler safeties or thumb cutting SOBS btw, and barely worth the 18 bucks midway used to get for them.

jeffe

My 1909's cock on opening.

All of my 1909s cock on opening. If the one you are looking at cocks on closing, then it is not a 1909.

Is this 1909 a DWM or Argentine made?

We need close up pics.

I just called my buddy and he said it was cock on opening. I will take the scope mounts off tomorrow and check it further. What else do I need to look for? Do Mausers have different types of floorplates and what am I looking for there? Butch

The .284 has a rebated rim and takes a bit of skill to get the rails just right. Make sure in feeds smoothly from both sides, with the CRF feature tuned properly.

Butch,
the bottom metal should have an "in the bow" release.. which means there a thingamagiie inside the trigger guard releases the floorplate.. kinda like a ruger.


"thingamagiie " is payback for the lions!!

heh
jeffe

The 1909 I got from M1tanker, cocks on closing, he told me these were made in very limited numbers. Mine also does not have the third locking lug another thing making this 1909 kind of rare again according to M1. I just recently had a shilen barrel screwed on it and had it chambered for a 7mm Gibbs. It should be a good shooter.

323

Are you serious about all this?

I have never heard of a 1909 that cocks on closing or didn't have a third lug. That doesn't sound like a 98 I have ever seen. It sounds like an older small ring.

There is no way M1Tanker would pull that kind of B.S.

Something smells funny.

Close up pics please.

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Originally posted by 323:
The 1909 I got from M1tanker, cocks on closing, he told me these were made in very limited numbers. Mine also does not have the third locking lug another thing making this 1909 kind of rare again according to M1. I just recently had a shilen barrel screwed on it and had it chambered for a 7mm Gibbs. It should be a good shooter.

323,
You forgot to include that is has the safety like the 1917 Enfield. How could you leave out an important detail like that.

By the way that home canned salmon you brought me was great.

Mr. Stratton, it is a DWM receiver. I will have pictures to e-mail for somebody to post for me in a couple hours. I am told that it does not have the right floorplate as it does not hinge. It also has erosion on the bolt face from leaky primers I think. Butch

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Originally posted by 323:
The 1909 I got from M1tanker, cocks on closing, he told me these were made in very limited numbers. Mine also does not have the third locking lug another thing making this 1909 kind of rare again according to M1. I just recently had a shilen barrel screwed on it and had it chambered for a 7mm Gibbs. It should be a good shooter.

323,
You forgot to include that is has the safety like the 1917 Enfield. How could you leave out an important detail like that.

By the way that home canned salmon you brought me was great.

M1 is trying to be funny now, I'm beggining to think this rifle will no tbe safe to shoot in the current chambering???? I traded M1 a Ithaca 1911 A1 U.S. Army 45 ACP for this action he said they were comparable in price and I was looking for a good action to build a custom rifle on. Now I'm beginning to wonder.

Methinks it could be a reworked 1891. I´d be very careful about that gun and had a competent gunsmith check it before firing a hot number like the 284 or other non military cartridge.
All 1909´s I´ve seen cock on opening.

Mr. Nainital, it is a cock on opening. I e-mailed some photos to some of the Bubbas. Maybe they can post some of them for me. Butch

I'm glad it's a DWM, sometime the Argentine's are a little rough. They didn't polish the receivers as well there are tool marks.

The 1909 is just a shorter 1898, they scaled it down for the 7.65x54 cartridge.

It's not uncommon to see a 1909 without the hinged bottom metal. Someone got to built another rifle and wanted to class it up a little. Without the hinged floorplate and bottom metal it's over all worth is much less.

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Originally posted by 323:

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Originally posted by M1Tanker:

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Originally posted by 323:
The 1909 I got from M1tanker, cocks on closing, he told me these were made in very limited numbers. Mine also does not have the third locking lug another thing making this 1909 kind of rare again according to M1. I just recently had a shilen barrel screwed on it and had it chambered for a 7mm Gibbs. It should be a good shooter.

323,
You forgot to include that is has the safety like the 1917 Enfield. How could you leave out an important detail like that.

By the way that home canned salmon you brought me was great.

M1 is trying to be funny now, I'm beggining to think this rifle will no tbe safe to shoot in the current chambering???? I traded M1 a Ithaca 1911 A1 U.S. Army 45 ACP for this action he said they were comparable in price and I was looking for a good action to build a custom rifle on. Now I'm beginning to wonder.

You told me that was the rarest of the 1911's. I figured a half breed "custom" 1909 with Springfield 1903 bolt was a heck of a trade.

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Originally posted by nainital:
Methinks it could be a reworked 1891. I´d be very careful about that gun and had a competent gunsmith check it before firing a hot number like the 284 or other non military cartridge.
All 1909´s I´ve seen cock on opening.

You can rest assured 323's is an actual 100% normal 1909. This AZ sun and heat have gotten to him and he is hallucinating again.

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Originally posted by M1Tanker:

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Originally posted by 323:

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Originally posted by M1Tanker:

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Originally posted by 323:
The 1909 I got from M1tanker, cocks on closing, he told me these were made in very limited numbers. Mine also does not have the third locking lug another thing making this 1909 kind of rare again according to M1. I just recently had a shilen barrel screwed on it and had it chambered for a 7mm Gibbs. It should be a good shooter.

323,
You forgot to include that is has the safety like the 1917 Enfield. How could you leave out an important detail like that.

By the way that home canned salmon you brought me was great.

M1 is trying to be funny now, I'm beggining to think this rifle will no tbe safe to shoot in the current chambering???? I traded M1 a Ithaca 1911 A1 U.S. Army 45 ACP for this action he said they were comparable in price and I was looking for a good action to build a custom rifle on. Now I'm beginning to wonder.

You told me that was the rarest of the 1911's. I figured a half breed "custom" 1909 with Springfield 1903 bolt was a heck of a trade.

M1 is trying ot make jokes but I'm serious! Well I'm heading to the range to shoot this rifle. Hopefully it shoots good wish me the best of luck!

M1 and 323, don't we have PM for your laundry? I'm trying to find out about a rifle that I'm thinking about buying. Butch

Butch,

Sorry about that I was just giving M1 a hard time just to let you guys know it was a very nice 1909 I got from M1. I think it is going to make a very nice 7mm Gibbs. I just need to get it blued and put a trigger and safety on it. Far as wood I will probably put a Boyds Laminate on it.

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Originally posted by butchlambert:
M1 and 323, don't we have PM for your laundry? I'm trying to find out about a rifle that I'm thinking about buying. Butch

Butch,
My apologies also. We were having some at the expense of others who took us seriously.

It sounds like the 1909 you found would be a great rifle. The 2 biggest issues that would be red flags to me are the pitting on the bolt face and not having the 1909 hinged bottom metal. I am looking forward to seeing the pics.

Apologies accepted. I didn't know you were ragging each other as I am still new here. I went ahead and bought the gun for $475. Believe it or not I have the correct hinged floorplate in my junk drawer. It came out of the same mess that I found a mauser bolt to give DagoRed. I didn't know for a long time what it was for.I have a lot of other parts that I will try to identify as time goes on. Butch