fwiw,
This forum can be a great resource depending on who answers your question. However, I'd really have to wonder about the legality of posting indepth advice that could compromise a safety. And give a fifteen cent lawyer an in to sue you for giving somoene outside of the trade such advice. Having graduated from The School of Trades I realize it is little more than a glorified learner's permit. That said it gives you a base of knowledge to work from and shows a certain amount of dedication on your part. They specifically covered giving advice "online" and potential problems it could cause... Curious as to your take?

Regards, Matt Garrett
Chesapeake, Virginia

MattinVirginia

I think that you ought to think twice about how you refer to other professions. You call the lawyers "15 cent Lawyers". How would you like it if I called you a 15 cent gunsmith? Your smart ass mouth talks down lawyers. I say wait until someday when you really need one and see how you talk then.

I think I can guess someone profession! FWIW I am an industrial electrician an I am usually happy to give advice, but when something is above the novices head I won't. That's why I can see why some people either don't comment on a subject or state to hire a gunsmith. Some tasks shouldn't be done by amateurs.
-Don

22WRF,
I stand by my mention of "fifteen cent lawyer"(s). They exist and I've met a few. I've also met more than a few "fifteen cent" gunsmiths... If you have not met a lawyer who would sue over such a matter then good on you...

I suppose much can be derived about you from your mention of the forum. I regret breaking the deafening silence regarding your discovery...

Notable that you failed to pick up on the point. One might call that a "fifteen cent" thought process and response...

Matt in Virginia.

FWIW the world has both .15 lawyers and .15 gunsmiths.....I've used both with nearly equal disgust!

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Originally posted by Matt in Virginia:
22WRF,
I stand by my mention of "fifteen cent lawyer"(s). They exist and I've met a few. I've also met more than a few "fifteen cent" gunsmiths... If you have not met a lawyer who would sue over such a matter then good on you...

I suppose much can be derived about you from your mention of the forum. I regret breaking the deafening silence regarding your discovery...

Notable that you failed to pick up on the point. One might call that a "fifteen cent" thought process and response...

Matt in Virginia.

And one might call your response assinine. Vapodog has the right attitude. There may be "15 cent lawyers and 15 cent gunsmiths" but it is improper to group folks from an entire profession into one category.

Regardless of how you feel about lawyers or gunsmiths, that site sucks and only a mental midget would be impressed.

Rem721, I beg to differ with you. Lots of stupid post as we have here sometime, but some of the builds are very good. I think that it is like every site, pick out what you like and leave the rest of it alone. I have been told that I have a little mental midget in me, so I guess it fits.
Butch

22WRF,
I did not group an "entire profession" into one category. Hence my mention of "fifteen cent" lawyers. A clear differentiation from other members of the bar. Had you taken the time to read and comprehend my original post you should have picked up on that. It would seem that your mind is not exactly the proverbial bear trap, so I suppose it is safe to recommend actually reading a question fully, and if possible understanding it, before responding. It keeps one from looking asinine...(correct spelling feel free to write it down)

Regards, Matt Garrett
Chesapeake, Virginia

Okay. Pardon me for the spelling mistake. You are asinine.

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Originally posted by rem721:
Regardless of how you feel about lawyers or gunsmiths, that site sucks and only a mental midget would be impressed.

is that your impression?

What a hoot! Can't you guys read? Read what he said, not what you think he said. They are very very different.

Are all lawyers ambulance chasers? No.

Are all ambulance chasers lawyers? Perhaps - certainly, it is a term designated to identify a certain lower form of lawyer-life.

Brent

Nickel and dime lawyers everywhere are rejoicing at the extra value ascribed to them in this thread.

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Originally posted by ForrestB:
Nickel and dime lawyers everywhere are rejoicing at the extra value ascribed to them in this thread.

Inflation dude - not an earned pay raise

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by rem721:
Regardless of how you feel about lawyers or gunsmiths, that site sucks and only a mental midget would be impressed.

is that your impression?

I don't do impressions.

This isn't about lawyers and gunsmiths. Its about criticizing classes of people for the misdoings of a few in the class. Certainly there are lawyers who haven't done a good job, and gunsmiths who haven't done a good job. So criticize them, not every lawyer and gunsmith. And before you do criticize them, take a long look at yourself.

For example, this site may suck, and maybe only mental midgets read these posts, but since you posted here Rem721 you obviously ought to take a look at yourself as a mental midget because your posts never fail to prove that you are one.

And recall Matt in Virginia that people hire lawyers to sue for them. Lawyers just don't go out and sue people for the hell of it. So why don't you call the people that hire them "15 cent people". Probably becasue you are one yourself.

Speaking of gunsmiths, how about we start a forum or sticky with all the AR members who are FFL's?

If we do a sticky it is only fitting that our moderator be at the top.

22WRF,
If you are a pleader, which even with the prevalence of diploma mills I doubt, I pity your client. You cannot even think for yourself...

Most Modest Regards, Matt Garrett
Chesapeake, Virginia

MattinVirginia

No, It would seem that it is you who cannot think for yourself.

Here we go again!

gone fishin

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
Here we go again!

No, its not here we go again, but rather here you go again sticking your big nose into other people's business.

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
No, its not here we go again, but rather here you go again sticking your big nose into other people's business.

Haven't you got anything better to do?

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Originally posted by Tex21:

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
No, its not here we go again, but rather here you go again sticking your big nose into other people's business.

Haven't you got anything better to do??

The question is, haven't YOU got anything better to do?

22WRF, did you actually read Matts post? I did, and I didn't see anything that was out of order by the post. The way I read it, he wasn't knocking attorneys, he just said (paraphrasing of course) that less than ethical lawyers may attempt to make a case out of someone becoming injured from bad advice received over the net from sites like that, and while he himself had some formal training, which he likens to a learners permit, the training he received provides him some form of a base from which to build upon his knowledge, which I'm sure helps him separate the good advice from the bad. Then he had the audacity to ask you for your take in which you responded not so well. Soooo, what type of responses were you looking for when you started this thread?

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Originally posted by Westpac:
22WRF, did you actually read Matts post? I did, and I didn't see anything that was out of order by the post. The way I read it, he wasn't knocking attorneys, he just said (paraphrasing of course) that less than ethical lawyers may attempt to make a case out of someone becoming injured from bad advice received over the net from sites like that, and while he himself had some formal training, which he likens to a learners permit, the training he received provides him some form of a base from which to build upon his knowledge, which I'm sure helps him separate the good advice from the bad. Then he had the audacity to ask you for your take in which you responded not so well. Soooo, what type of responses were you looking for when you started this thread?

Malm,

I couldn't agree more. Semper Fi, carry on!

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22WRF, did you actually read Matts post? I did, and I didn't see anything that was out of order by the post. The way I read it, he wasn't knocking attorneys, he just said (paraphrasing of course) that less than ethical lawyers may attempt to make a case out of someone becoming injured from bad advice received over the net from sites like that, and while he himself had some formal training, which he likens to a learners permit, the training he received provides him some form of a base from which to build upon his knowledge, which I'm sure helps him separate the good advice from the bad. Then he had the audacity to ask you for your take in which you responded not so well. Soooo, what type of responses were you looking for when you started this thread?

Darn sure wish I could have said it as well.

Westpac

I would be happy to answer your question becasue I respect you for the way you posed it, which is far different than others.

I wasn't looking for any responses when I started this thread. All I was trying to do was point out what I thought might be an interesting site to those who read this site and were not familiar with that site.

I could care less about whether the comments made were against lawyers or gunsmiths or ditchdiggers or physicians or whomever.
What I didn't like was this notion that, as you put it, "less than ethical lawyers" may attmept to make a case out of someone becoming injured from bad advice received over the net. I tried to point out that I thought the statement was unfair for a couple of reasons. First, lawyers usually, as far as I know, are not the ones that sue people. From the lawsuit papers I have seen there is usually somebody listed as a "plaintiiff" that is doing the suing. As I understand it, the lawyer drafts the papers for the plaintiff, and represents the plaintiff, but it is the plaintiff that is bringing the lawsuit. And then I said that in talking with people I have often heard people joke about lawyers until it was they who were terribly injured or wronged or wrongfully accused, and then all of a sudden they were talking about "my lawyer this and My lawyer that" as though the guy was their best friend. My point was, and still is, if you actually know a real "15 cent lawyer", whatever that is, then name him by name and state why he or she is such. Otherwise it seems as though you are placing all lawyers, or whomever, in a category of being cheap, etc., when in fact that probably is not the case. Or, to put it another way, if you heard that a surgeon left a needle in a guys chest, you wouldn't go around stating that every surgeon was a quack, and you wouldn't go around using language that implied that every surgeon was a quack. I think many people are dissatisfied with lawyers for a few very good reasons. First, nobody wants to need one, because usually when you need one it is an unpleasant experience that caused you to need one. Second, in most adversarial cases there is always going to be a winner and a loser, which means that there is going to be one winning lawyer and one losing lawyer. And the losing lawywers are usually looked at as being lousy lawyers when in fact most of the time I am guessing that they were given lousy facts to work with, or a guilty client to work with.

So what does all of this mean. Just that I think it would have been better if Mr. Garrett would have said " . . . a 15 cent person an in to sue you . . . . . . . " Thats all.

I guess we can't all be as politically correct as you, 22

Brent

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

Just that I think it would have been better if Mr. Garrett would have said " . . . a 15 cent person an in to sue you . . . . . . . " Thats all.

Ah, but a real person wouldn't sue in that instance... only a 15 cent lawyer would.

Everyone can complain about something. It is on the Lawyer to turn down junk lawsuits. That is were ethics come in. 9 million for spilling hot coffe in your lap, come on. Yeah a judge had to rule on it, but he is just a lawyer with a robe.

The City I work for payed close to 100tho for a guy protesting unfair labor practices, his right. He was arrested. He sued alledging that about half of his Constitutional rights were violated.

He left out, he had no permit. He was blocking the passage of the building for others doing unrelated business. We got the call becuase he was said to have been making threats of shooting people.He was fired for carriing an unregistered firearm in his truck. He was also not licensed to carry that wepaon because he was a felon. He got an Attorney to send some letters and file motions. The Lawyer probably got around 30%. He claimed it was racially motivated, so the City threw some money at him to go away. Cheaper than fighting him, which is what mostly happens.


If you are wronged then by all means sue. I am in court about 3 times a week. The shit lawyers pull is incredible. I know it is their job, but alot of jobs can be done alot of different ways. Not all are bad by any means, but there is lot of truth sometimes said in jest.

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Originally posted by rem721:

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

Just that I think it would have been better if Mr. Garrett would have said " . . . a 15 cent person an in to sue you . . . . . . . " Thats all.

Ah, but a real person wouldn't sue in that instance... only a 15 cent lawyer would.

Not without a "15 cent client, which I would expect you probably would be.

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

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Originally posted by rem721:

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

Just that I think it would have been better if Mr. Garrett would have said " . . . a 15 cent person an in to sue you . . . . . . . " Thats all.

Ah, but a real person wouldn't sue in that instance... only a 15 cent lawyer would.

Not without a "15 cent client, which I would expect you probably would be.

You and Jim Kobe make a wonderful pair, you could cry yourselves to sleep in each other's arms.

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Originally posted by rem721:

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

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Originally posted by rem721:

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

Just that I think it would have been better if Mr. Garrett would have said " . . . a 15 cent person an in to sue you . . . . . . . " Thats all.

Ah, but a real person wouldn't sue in that instance... only a 15 cent lawyer would.

Not without a "15 cent client, which I would expect you probably would be.

You and Jim Kobe make a wonderful pair, you could cry yourselves to sleep in each other's arms.

You and Tex21 are a wonderful pair. I am told you kiss each other as you are falling asleep in each other's arms. I would like to put one of those little picture things here but there isn't one of a fruitcake so I will pass.

I've elected to delete my post. I have nothing further I care to contribute on this thread.

In my opinion lawyers and gunsmiths should be allowed to solicite business. Not everyone is honest. Skill levels vary as well. It is up to us as individuals to excercise our own judgement. Buyer beware.

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Originally posted by ramrod340:
I've elected to delete my post. I have nothing further I care to contribute on this thread.

I'm with you Paul.