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Here it is; 9.3X53/4 Russian/Swiss/Finnish. 286 grain Hornady seated to the base of the neck. Feeds perfectly from Mosins.
 
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I take it you're looking at the Mosin Nagants as being the next Mauser revolution, huh Tom?

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When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years!
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I expect they'll get more interest, as we appear to be out of cheap mausers -- though, i expect there's at least 5,000,000 very nice, crisp mausers in storage that just can't get to the US right now ...

it's a cute round -- ballistics should be right around 358win, due to action strength (perceived?) rather than 9,3x62 --


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Mosins.


I could never understand the fascination with them.
 
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You need to study them and work with them and you might at least gain an appreciation of them for what they are. Their forte is large rimmed cartridges, something a Mauser can't do (Siamese excluded but those are all gone).
The 91 Russian and its variants are among the strongest rifles made and will take pressures that will destroy a Mauser. OTOH, Mausers are far easier to make a sporter from for several reasons. Which is why, no, they will not get more interest as sporting rifles.
I like them because others don't and it is something different. Like these; Mausers can't do this; 45-70 and 375 Flanged Magnum.
 
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you might at least gain an appreciation of them for what they are


Well I have shot them and handle enough of them heck a friend of mine loves them he has 30 or 40 of the things.

Each to their own you do good work on them glad you enjoy them.
 
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Are you expecting 2100-2200 fps with a 286 grain bullet?
 
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Easily 2300 while keeping pressure under 50K psi. Depending on barrel length.
 
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Because they are cool...

Before...



After...



He also bedded the action...so I threw my 12x load development scope on it to see what it could do. I will put the 1.5x5 back on for hunting.

Sierra 150grn Pro Hunters .311 H4350, CCI BR-2 primers

Loads were 53.0, 53.4, 53.8, 54.2, 54.6

53.0 grn load was 2.0 inches (not pictured)
54.6 grn load was 1.35 inches (not pictured)

53.4 to 54.2 was just awesome.





But even better excluding the flyer if you superimpose the groups, this rifle put 8 shots with three different charge weights into .78 inches




Not bad for 80 yr old milsurp.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I have never re-barrelled a Mosin and figure, if I play my cards right...
Still, I like rimmed cartridges and I like the Russian cartridge. I have toyed with the idea of barrelling one of my P14 actions for it. This 9.3 version would probably do anything my 35 Whelen will and would offer the benefit of promoting eccentricity (of course, using a Mosin does that pretty well anyway). Regards, Bill
 
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I can loan you my Savage range bag if you have misplaced yours Billy. Might have to adjust the headband a bit.

coffeeLMAO ROFF


When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years!
Rod Henrickson
 
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One has to draw the line somewhere, Henrickson, and my line is north of the Savage; bag or no bag. Regards, Bill
 
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I won't tell anyone that you actually have morals, scruples or any sense of honor, integrity or redeeming social value Bill. I'll let you keep your image intact and safe ! LOL


When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years!
Rod Henrickson
 
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That is just super cool!


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Yes it is; and I can't believe the number of people who are contacting me asking me about it. But it was the Finns, wanting a cartridge they could use on moose, but using surplus Mosins, that invented it. So were are actually resurrecting something dormant. Like godzilla. Or if you live in Canada, the abominable snowman. He lives in Alberta and regularly posts here.
 
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Yes it is; and I can't believe the number of people who are contacting me asking me about it. But it was the Finns, wanting a cartridge they could use on moose, but using surplus Mosins, that invented it. So were are actually resurrecting something dormant. Like godzilla. Or if you live in Canada, the abominable snowman. He lives in Alberta and regularly posts here.


rotflmo


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FISH!!

Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984:

"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."
 
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Hey now. I have one of those nonexistent Siamese. Up to this point I was very much into the Grenadier cartridge. And here you have to go messing with what mind I have left.


Society of Intolerant Old Men. Rifle Slut Division.
 
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I am curious if 2400+ is achievable with a 250 grain bullet.


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Yes. Vita Vouhri manual shows 2330 with a 255 grainer, at only 43K psi.
 
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CH makes dies for the 9.3 version for $87, since it used to be a popular cartridge in Russia and Finland and others. Lapua made ammo; so did Russia, but in the US, it is unknown. Until last week.
 
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