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Just curious how you would rate the synthetic stocks that come with factory rifles these days. Who puts the best plastic stock in their guns? I'd have to say the Factory Sako stocks are better then any others I've handled. Feel more solid and not as flimbsy. Cheers | ||
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The factory stock that came on my 2002 M70 SS Classic is junk. So was the one that came with the Savage 12VBSS in 270 WSM. They were worse than no stock as they failed to work as stocks. I hear that the old Remington KS stocks are good. The stocks on the Kimber Montanas are in my opinion the state of the art. Join the NRA | |||
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I have a Remington Sendero SF that has an HSPrecision stock on it that is very high quality and the Zytel stock that is on a Ruger All-Weather isn't too bad either. You really get what you pay for as far as a factory stocked rifle. I think the Savage stocks are junk whether wood or synthetic, but their rifles are good shooters. I wouldn't mind having a Savage model 12 in 22-250 with the heavy fluted barrel, but the stock would have to be replaced before I let anybody see me with that rifle. HA HA Dennis Life member NRA | |||
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Ifind the ruger stock to be tough. I don't know why savage has one of the most accurate rifle out of the box puts such ugly stocks on their rifles. The remington I have had to be glass bedded and free floated after that is seems to work. I have put several Ram lines on rfles they work. But then I glass bed them all. | |||
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kman, I am a big Sako fan, and their synthetics are probably better than some, certainly the typical off the shelf Wins and Rems. Having said that, if you take either the syn stainless or finnlite syn stock off of one of your Sako's, you'll not be impressed. All but two of mine have been restocked with McMillan customs, and the other two are under rework waiting for a new stock. I've got several synthetic Sako takeoffs laying around. One other note, the Sako standard LOP is a bit longer than Win or Rem, so if you are thinking of a Sako with a syn stock--or you have one, pay attention to that detail. Good shooting--Don PS--Allen, I had my Montana checkered--Don | |||
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i generally rate them on C and Stink... which one adds the most calories (kilo calories) and the least stink in a fire!!!  jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Remington uses both HS Precision and Bell and Carlson (need to check the stamp in the barrel channel to tell which) and weatherby uses bell and carlson. Thse are,..I guess a factory stock,. but top end along with mcmillan. The injection molded stocks are just crap no matter what they come on. Difficulty is inevitable Misery is optional | |||
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I am aware of a medical study that is being funded in Billings Montana, that I posted last year.... Audiologists have found people having tinitus developing on one side of their head had one thing in common.. they were shooters who shot a lot... I am not drawing the conclusions, here.. just reporting why the study was being Federally Funded... in conjunction with the University of Montana... Early reports are indicating a theory that synthetic stocks do not dillute the vibrations upon recoil and since the stock is against the cheek the vibration is transfered to the auditory canal in the ear.. the vibration is absorbed.... Wood or laminate stocks on the other hand.. will absorb a fair amount of the vibration.... I know this sounds kind of far fetched to many at first.. but I was trained as a nurse and paramedic in the Medical Corp in the Army.... I also spend about two years selling medical products in the Otolarngology Field ( Ear Nose and Throat)... one product that we sold, and I was the leading sales rep from them, were ENT drills that were used to surgically remove granulation from the mastoid part of the skull, behind the ear that had resulted in poor hearing or deafness on one side of the head.... So I had enough background to give this some credence.... I myself just prefer Laminate stocks for looks and durabilty... but even moreso now! cheers seafire  | |||
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I have tinnitus in my left ear, I think it's because that ear faces forward when I shoot (I'm a righty) not because my right cheek is on the stock. Rob | |||
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Bell & Carlson used to be complete crap. The interior was foam with no strengtheners. B&C has evidently improved, but remembering the past, I would never use them. We have had 4 Brown Precision break in the wrist after they were finished and firing started. The best we have used are MPI out of Portland, Or. | |||
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seafire,..was this subject group seperated by product or manufacturer??? I have come to believe that a good fiberglass stock with it's cross-woven design absorbs more recoil due to the cross-laid fibers. Is the problem the injection molded srocks with no cross-fiber? This is the first I have heard of problems between stock designs,..especially since the wood stocks (to me) transmit the MOST recoil. Did the study say anything about stocks with aluminum bedding blocks? I need to know things in case I need to swap out a bunch of handles  Difficulty is inevitable Misery is optional | |||
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JC; I am not familiar with the study in the minute detail that you are asking... I can comment that even tho a wood stock can transmit the most recoil, that can have to do with design of the comb of the stock, its shape, how much of a recoil pad surface it has etc... however wood will absorb the vibration of the recoil.. where synthetic evidently will not... I don't think it was broken down by manufacturer etc... sorry, seafire | |||
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I removed the stock from my M700 synthetic and looked for a stamp to find out what stock mine had on it. All I could find was the words "Remington Standard Long" molded into the barrel channel. The grip cap has a "RA" Remington shield molded into it, and the recoil pad says remington. After looking at both the HS Precision and Bell and Carlson stocks, I think that it may be a Bell and Carlson. My biggest concern with finding out what kind of stock I have is because first of all I want to know what quality/strength stock it is (I'm thinking pretty low quality), and second to find out if there is a Limbsaver recoil pad that will fit. I got the large one for the M700, thinking it may work even though it's supposed to be for wood. It didn't. I was also dissapointed to find out when I took off the factory pad that the butt end of the stock is completely hollow all the way up to the reciever area, and the walls are much more flimsy than I thought. So, my questions are: Anyone know what stock I actually have? Anyonw know if there is a limbsaver that will fit this stock? Is the hollow/flimsy butt typical of most synthetic stocks? I would think about replacing it with a McMillan, but I'm afraid I would be taking the chance that it wouldn't shoot as well anymore if I made any changes, especially expensive ones like replacing the stock. This rifle is a real shooter (for factory). FiSTers... Running is useless. | |||
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Unless I slept through a new deal, all Remington H-S stocks will have the bedding block. If that is missing it's another supplier. But B&C has the Medallion which copies the H-S and then some and is used in the Weatherby's Allen Day was describing elsewhere. You can get that foam stuff from a hardware store and fill the butt if it bothers you. Don't try to contain it in the butt or you'll bulge the walls and don't stand it on the nose of the fore end or it'll run dowm the sides. Limbsaver had a page on their site that had the footprint of the pre-fit pads they make; maybe you can trace yours and try to find a match. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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SS, What you've got is what everybody calls a "Tupperware" stock. Injection molded piece of crap, replaced mine with a H-S Precision stock, now the S/S 708 shoots. And it's not bedded with any compound, must have a perfect reciever and bedding block. I'd replace that tupperware stock with an H-S stock, snug your guard screws up good and tight and go shoot, no bedding, no mess and watch your groups shrink. Jay | |||
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Seafire,..that study worries me  I hope all these stocks aren't going to do me any more damage that normal shooting already does to a frequent shooter. Let me know if you dig up or come across any other info on this topic,..I would be interested in the results.Steel Slinger,...If it has the aluminum bedding block, spider wb pattern stock, it is either an HS Precision or a Bell and Carlson Medalist. They were outsourced from BOTH companies after the sendero took off. The barrel channel will have a stamp in it just ahead of the receiver. If the stamp is a circle, it is an HS Precision,..if it has an oval stamp, it is a Bell and Carlson. If it is not a bedding block stock, it is just an injection molded plastic stock. Difficulty is inevitable Misery is optional | |||
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All injection molded plastic stocks are garbage, but if I had to pick one it would be Browning's Composite or Stainless Stalker stocks. They have a real nice feel to the hands and seem to dampen noise when rubbed against brush, unlike fiberglass stocks which amplify the sound. They shoot very well off the bench and have nice pointability to them that remind me of a classic double. The worst are Remingtons, Savages, Rugers, etc. As for fiberglass stocks on factory rifles, HS Precision takes the honors. But, don't relie on the V-Block bedding block. It still needs to be epoxy or glass bedded paying attention to the contact points of the action. | |||
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Not in my case they don't. SS, What you've got is what everybody calls a "Tupperware" stock. Injection molded piece of crap, replaced mine with a H-S Precision stock, now the S/S 708 shoots. AND IT'S NOT BEDDED with any compound, must have a perfect reciever and bedding block. I'd replace that tupperware stock with an H-S stock, snug your guard screws up good and tight and go shoot, no bedding, no mess and watch your groups shrink. BTW, the other H-S stocks I've got make even contact with the receiver and don't need bedding, either. Jay | |||
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I like McMillan and Bansnar/High Tech Specialties synthetic stocks better than any of the others. The problem that most people claim to have with injection molded stocks is a lack of stiffness in the forearm. I usually glass bed graphite arrow shafts into the hollow forearm area and that helps to stiffen them significantly. I have done this with factory injection molded stocks from Remington, Savage, and Winchester. They are not as good as McM or Bansnar, but they are better than they came from the factory. A really good, but often overlooked stock, is the Remington's laminated mountain rifle stock. They can usually be bought on Ebay for less than $150 and are, IMO, a much better stock than any synthetic that can be bought for that little $$ if the weight of the stock is not a key factor. Jeff | |||
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The original question is about plastic stocks. HS Precision, Bell and Carlson, Kimber, etc do not fit into that catagory. They are hand laid up fiberglass, kevlar, etc, etc. These stocks shouldn't even be uttered when talking about a plastic stock. Plastic stocks refer to injected molded stocks that cost the companies under $15 after the tooling is paid for. Tooling can run over $100,000 for the stocks initially. So you usually will only see this type of stock on a high volume gun. Browning has the best I have seen. The execution is flawless. Haven't seen the Sako well enough to comment on it. The easiest way to tell attention to detail is to look for seam lines. One company, I won't say which, has seems all over their stocks. You can tell the mold is used for every gun in their line. The seam lines are where the different inserts are put in to make the different lengths and configurations. Aaron | |||
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The only plastic stock that I have handled that felt like a rifle stock is the Rimrock, its a very good stock and also the most expensive I believe... That said, anything made from recyclyed kitchen utensils, toasters, microwaves, radios, and used condoms does not suit this old curmudgeon..I will have to stick with Turkish walnut, its warmer, priettier and suits me better and in a ion or two of hunting has never let me down.   Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Well, that's what I was afraid of. It most definitely is a tupperware. I may try to make some mods to it to strengthen it some for the time being. Despite the crappy stock, the rifle shoots. My biggest problem with replacing the stock is cost. A new stock will cost nearly as much as I paid for the rifle. I may replace it one day, but not for now. Thanks for all the replies and advice. FiSTers... Running is useless. | |||
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If it ain't broke......don't fix it! Think about it......what is the purpose of the stock???? If the rifle shoots......the stock is doing it's job.....there is nothing wrong with wanting a better stock, but there is a big difference between needing and wanting......if you are satisfied with the way the rifle shoots......you don't really NEED to replace the stock.....do you???? | |||
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Steelslinger, You can get a H-S stock for $285 through Midway, you paid what, 465 for the rifle, thats what I paid for my Rem. S/S. Got my H-S stock for 200 on clearance from midway. Jay | |||
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I didn't pay nearly that much for mine, but you do have a point. I will keep my eye on the clearance specials from the order companies like midway, natchez, and brownells. Till then, I'll just stick with the tupperware. FiSTers... Running is useless. | |||
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watch the classifieds at a few other places and an HS Precision is yours for $175 delivered quite often and many times less. A $25 skin bedding job and you are all set. Difficulty is inevitable Misery is optional | |||
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