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I know this is something that varies from one person to another....... My 338-06 has a steel butt plate and isn't a issue. I'm contemplating one on my 9.3x62. I've never fired this cartridge. Where do most draw the line?


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If the 338 doesn't bother you, the 9.3 probably won't either at factory pressures for the heavy bullets. The Norma 232 stuff is alot snappier and may not be as comfortable. I have a 9.3 I shoot in both the carbine and rifle versions of the Rem 30. The carbine has a curved steel plate that hurts while the rifle butt (steel too) doesn't.


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I know this is something that varies from one person to another....... My 338-06 has a steel butt plate and isn't a issue. I'm contemplating one on my 9.3x62. I've never fired this cartridge. Where do most draw the line?


I've shot 375 H&H's and 458's with steel butt plates with very little discomfort. The only time it gets painful is when I get lax and forget what I am doing. If you know how to lock yourself into the rifle correctly, it won't slap you. Unless you have a physical impairment, the recoil of a 9.3x62 should be a breeze


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Your question is a good one, but not as simple as just the recoil in ft lbs. Another big factor is drop of the stock - older European style stocks with lots of drop at the heel and a resulting angled buttplate can really dig into your shoulder.

FWIW, I have shot my Mauser 9.3 x 62 with that type of stock, sans recoil pad, and did not find it unbearable although the sharp square edges of the wood made their presence known. With a rounded buttplate you probably wouldn't notice them.

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Come to think of it, the steel buttplate rifle I find most uncomfortable is my Mexican Mauser carbine with 16" barrel. I don't think it is actually the recoil but the muzzle blast that makes you jump, so you end up noticing the recoil.

Perhaps barrel length and muzzle blast could factor in too...
 
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Your question is a good one, but not as simple as just the recoil in ft lbs. Another big factor is drop of the stock - older European style stocks with lots of drop at the heel and a resulting angled buttplate can really dig into your shoulder.



Yes, good point. The gun needs to fit the shooter. Minimum drop and the right amount of pitch is essential for maximum comfort when shooting guns with steel butt plates.


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I find pitch to be far more important than drop.




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To me it also depends on the use of the gun. A heavy kicker that is used for hunting and only shot a few times a season is a lot different than a gun shot 50 times off the bench. IMHO, when you're actually hunting I don't really feel much recoil at all, compared to off the bench.


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I can easily shoot a winchester 1886 in 45/70 with fairly hot loads with a steel buttplate. my 1895 in 30-40 and 30-06 are fine too. now a tc encore is a beater on me!
 
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Hi all,
My 35 Whelen has a steel butt plate and I don't find it objectionable. But as pointed out the drop is set for ME. Also the toe is pitched out away from my chest and into my shoulder socket. I like the look of wood and not so much rubber, so I tend to go with steel butplates. Westpac hit it on the head, "The gun needs to fit the shooter."
Below is a link to some pictures of my Whelen, and others, some with and some without steel.
Thanks, Doug

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3221043/m/942104608
 
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My upper limit is my Model 63 Winchester. Big Grin
And I'm thinking of adding a Mercury recoil supressor to it.

Seriously, most people can stand 2 or 3 rounds from most anything.

Extended shooting from a bench is a totally different story.

I have a Mauser 98k that will rattle your teeth due to light weight and a slightly modified military stock.

Conversely a friend has a custom stocked .338 that is almost pleasant to shoot, well not pleasant but at least not punishing.

If you havent seen Saeeds "Heroes" video,they are very enlightening as to how bad recoil can really get.
Makes most any normal rifle look mild by comparison

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A gun is just like a dog, and a woman too for that matter, if you act like you are afraid of it, it will bite! Big Grin


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Bad analogy, Malm. The only women that buy into it must be dogs on several levels. My guess is, women bite you just because they can. A grown-up woman meets you half-way.


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Bad analogy, Malm. The only women that buy into it must be dogs on several levels. My guess is, women bite you just because they can. A grown-up woman meets you half-way.


The little lady looking over your shoulder is she? Big Grin


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I have a Winchester pre-64 M-70 supergrade in 300 H&H and it has a steel butt plate. It isn't uncomfortable to shoot even with 200 grain loads, but if you aren't careful it sure can give you an ugly bruise.
 
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Thanks for the replies. My blank isn't quite long enough for the LOP I need without a butt pad so it kinda settled it's self.


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I know this is something that varies from one person to another....... My 338-06 has a steel butt plate and isn't a issue. I'm contemplating one on my 9.3x62. I've never fired this cartridge. Where do most draw the line?


dempsey,

I left the steel butt plate on my Vz-24 when I rebarreled it to 9,3x62. Have shot it both on the bench and at game - Will probably replace it with a recoil pad!


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Bad analogy, Malm. The only women that buy into it must be dogs on several levels. My guess is, women bite you just because they can. A grown-up woman meets you half-way.


The little lady looking over your shoulder is she? Big Grin


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...like with rifles and women..I don't mind a little nibbling now and then.


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