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need gunsmith to cut rifling in a barrel | ||
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Ok, that might be a problem; no gunsmith I know has that capability; it requires a rifle barrel factory. What exactly is your project? I buy all barrels from Douglas; (the oldest, best and most responsive maker) it takes major capital investment to rifle barrels. Not something done after the fact. Now, if you need one rebored, there is a guy doing that.... Redmans; I think; I have had him do it before, but I get a new barrel 99.9% of the time. | |||
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there used to be a fellow in coleville washington doing them had him do several | |||
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You mean reboring an existing barrel? | |||
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cut rifling in a shotgun barrel | |||
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Ok, not something I know anything about; shotguns. Like hammers to me. Might have been good to put that word in the title. | |||
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have some 98 mauser shotguns also have some rifle barrel blanks with no rifling lucky zaugg had a fixture on a bridgeport he did some rifle barrels for me | |||
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Richard Nickel (Washington state) did the job on my Savage 24V; 223 to 6x45mm, throat angle like 243, 9.5:1 twist. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Try JES at www.35caliber.com | |||
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Alan Seigrist does excellent rebores. Phil | |||
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Look at YouTube to see how the Pakistanis rifle barrels. By hand. I was brought one of these rifles here. Fascinating how the rifling was going in different directions.  | |||
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Delta reboring. Took over from that guy up in WA, they can do sxs barrels. They need to make a button if it's an odd caliber and that's going to involve some fixed cost. JES in Oregon, mainly lever actions, I think he cuts them one groove at a time. There is a guy in Pendleton as well that has a Pratt machine, but I found him a tad crusty. But I don't think any of these guys can rifle a shotgun barrel. For that you need to talk to Ken Owen in Moscow, TN. He can do it. But whether he wants to is another question. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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A button for a shotgun barrel? | |||
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thanks for the info | |||
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Ive not seen anyone else ask, what kind of shotgun are you looking at getting a barrel rifled for? | |||
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several different ones the main ones are 98 mausers | |||
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I am seeing some old out of date info here. Dick Nickle passed away in 2000 Jim Dubell, Clear Water Reboring, Delta Gunshop, passed away in 2015 Sorry to say I do not know for certain where their reboring machines went to. JW | |||
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Richard Nickel told me there were only two places in the US that could bore a 24V due to the imbalance on the lathe, and I've forgotten the name of the other one. He said he had to wire a handful of scrap metal on the other side of the receiver for balance. I was aware of his passing, was just lucky to get the 24V done first. Does Hillside Sporting Goods still exist? TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Dick, had bought that re-boring machine from my father about 1985, who had purchased it from Pat Morgan, about 1977, who was in Grants Pass OR. The spindle hole was 4 inches in Inside diameter, the biggest I knew of. As far as I know once Dick passed his wife shut the shop down. JW | |||
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When I visited the Browning museum I marveled at the contraption that he used to cut rifling in barrels by hand back in the day. It was basically about a 4 foot log that had spiral cuts on it resembling rifling. That was fitted into about a 6 or 8 inch long piece of steel tubing with corresponding cuts that caused it to twist when the log slid back and forth, and there was a steel cutting rod fixed on one end of the log. Primitive as hell, but effective.  I wish I had a picture of it to share. AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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Now I idly wonder if he did the 24V with a 4-jaw chuck. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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What are the spec of a barrel blank for a shotgun barrel as to barrel thickness?? seems strange to be able to "rebore or rerifle a thin shotgun barrel" even a rebarrel would seem to heavy an too large an OD..perhaps a double rifle but then your not talking about a shotgun..??confusing at best, ridicules at any rate.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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they come from factory with rifling | |||
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They start with a thicker barrel, so once the rifling grooves are cut away, they still have a safe thickness. Shotgun barrels are very close to the thinness that is safe, not a lot of margin there to cut away any material, particularly with a sharp corner that can cause a stress riser. Barrel could easily split; particularly as slug or solid projectiles can cause elevated pressure anyway in a shotgun. I think you could get someone to make you a rifled shotgun barrel, from a bored blank made for that purpose, but I believe most reboring guys would decline to rifle an existing shotgun barrel. | |||
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I believe the OP wants a German Geha 98 Mauser shotgun rifled. Those were made in the 20s, from surplus GEW 98s. With the locking lugs removed! I have a 16 gauge one. | |||
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Johnny Walker, who runs the Baptist mission on Kodiak still rifles barrels by hand. And Danny Peterson , who owned Cut Rifle Barrels in Prescott , AZ also builds barrels on an old P&W rifling machine. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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brand new barrel blanks with heavy wall thickness not looking to get thin wall barrels cut | |||
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I'd just buy new barrels, already rifled. Avoid all the hassle. But I get the impulse to do it the hard way. And, yes, the backwoods gunsmiths used a rifling machine made of wood, with spiral grooves cut into it. Even Pope used that type and he would hire local teen agers to pull the cutter back and forth 1000 times. Here is one: https://www.muzzleloadingforum...rifling-bench.68040/ | |||
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listed in catalogue christies gunworks sacramento calif SHOTGUN BARRELS SMOOTHBORE READY FOR RIFLING if lucky zaugg in reno was still alive i would just take them to him and have them done --- zero headache -- anyway scrap this idea -- headed to chopsaw -- make pretty good cement stakes | |||
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Who has Les Bauska's tooling? I had him do a 600 nitro barrel for me 25 years ago, that is 20 ga. He told me that was his most popular "unusual" request. Way to get around "shotgun with slug" only rules for deer at that time. | |||
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I think a lot of us would like the clock turned back 25 years. Unfortunately, it don't work that way. | |||
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Can't remember for sure where this was. Think it was the museum near Springdale, Ar maybe Saunders. Rifling machine  | |||
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I have two rifling machines that would do the job….slowly. One is a sine bar (adjustable) machine, the other is the old timey drum style with steamed slats of wood wrapped along a 3” dia wooden drum. I’ve used neither in 12-15 years and I don’t have a rifling head for a 12 ga bore. They are both hand operated (pulled) one groove at a time and indexed around the horn til you get to the first groove and shim/adjust the cutter out another few tenths…it’s slow and tedius but it does work. You might want to look up some of the muzzleloader barrel makers and see if they would do that for you. Shoot straight, shoot often. Matt | |||
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I'm beginning to think that everyone in Wisconsin has a rifling machine setting out behind the milking barn. John | |||
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 one was made by an uncle who lived in MN, hell of a machinist and gunsmith/craftsman, the other I drove down to KY and bought from a gentleman that was big into muzzleloaders in the 70’s and 80’s. Really well mad machine sine bar, linear bearings, etc. I need to modify the rack gear as there’s too much flex in it and then can likely do faster twists eventually. Hoping I have time to use them when retirement comes calling but I’d jump on a P&W sine bar rifler if I could find a reasonable one… And yes, WI is pretty rich with cut riflers…. I would term mine more of scratchers than anything  Shoot straight, shoot often. Matt | |||
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For some strange reason, many of the cut rifle barrel makers are in Wisconsin; Obermyer, Badger, Rock was there, Krieger. And many of those got their Pratt and Whitney machines from Douglas when they sold them; they had at least 30 of them in the early 70s when I used to visit them several times a year. (I dated a girl from Cross Lanes; I took here there on dates; maybe that is why she left.....) | |||
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One much like that at Jamestown. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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You just made me feel much better about myself!!!! Billy, High in the shoulder (we band of bubbas) | |||
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