rifling

27 December 2021, 22:51

dpcd

Ok, that might be a problem; no gunsmith I know has that capability; it requires a rifle barrel factory.
What exactly is your project?
I buy all barrels from Douglas; (the oldest, best and most responsive maker) it takes major capital investment to rifle barrels. Not something done after the fact.
Now, if you need one rebored, there is a guy doing that....
Redmans; I think; I have had him do it before, but I get a new barrel 99.9% of the time.

27 December 2021, 23:36

highcountry2

there used to be a fellow in coleville washington doing them
had him do several

28 December 2021, 00:26

dpcd

You mean reboring an existing barrel?

28 December 2021, 00:59

highcountry2

cut rifling in a shotgun barrel

28 December 2021, 01:41

dpcd

Ok, not something I know anything about; shotguns. Like hammers to me.
Might have been good to put that word in the title.

28 December 2021, 01:56

highcountry2

have some 98 mauser shotguns
also have some rifle barrel blanks with no rifling
lucky zaugg had a fixture on a bridgeport
he did some rifle barrels for me

28 December 2021, 02:17

TomP

quote:
Originally posted by highcountry2:
there used to be a fellow in coleville washington doing them
had him do several

Richard Nickel (Washington state) did the job on my Savage 24V; 223 to 6x45mm, throat angle like 243, 9.5:1 twist.

29 December 2021, 10:48

delloro

quote:
Originally posted by highcountry2:
need gunsmith to cut rifling in a barrel

Try JES at www.35caliber.com

29 December 2021, 19:32

Phil McFall

Alan Seigrist does excellent rebores.
Phil

29 December 2021, 19:45

Saeed

Look at YouTube to see how the Pakistanis rifle barrels.

By hand.

I was brought one of these rifles here.

Fascinating how the rifling was going in different directions.

02 January 2022, 23:28

Russ Gould

Delta reboring. Took over from that guy up in WA, they can do sxs barrels. They need to make a button if it's an odd caliber and that's going to involve some fixed cost.
JES in Oregon, mainly lever actions, I think he cuts them one groove at a time.
There is a guy in Pendleton as well that has a Pratt machine, but I found him a tad crusty.
But I don't think any of these guys can rifle a shotgun barrel. For that you need to talk to Ken Owen in Moscow, TN. He can do it. But whether he wants to is another question.

02 January 2022, 23:56

dpcd

A button for a shotgun barrel?

03 January 2022, 04:28

highcountry2

thanks for the info

03 January 2022, 09:55

Johnny reb

quote:
Originally posted by highcountry2:
cut rifling in a shotgun barrel

Ive not seen anyone else ask, what kind of shotgun are you looking at getting a barrel rifled for?

03 January 2022, 17:04

highcountry2

several different ones
the main ones are 98 mausers

03 January 2022, 19:02

J Wisner

I am seeing some old out of date info here.

Dick Nickle passed away in 2000
Jim Dubell, Clear Water Reboring, Delta Gunshop, passed away in 2015

Sorry to say I do not know for certain where their reboring machines went to.

JW

03 January 2022, 20:40

TomP

quote:
Originally posted by J Wisner:
I am seeing some old out of date info here.

Dick Nickle passed away in 2000
Jim Dubell, Clear Water Reboring, Delta Gunshop, passed away in 2015

Sorry to say I do not know for certain where their reboring machines went to.

JW

Richard Nickel told me there were only two places in the US that could bore a 24V due to the imbalance on the lathe, and I've forgotten the name of the other one. He said he had to wire a handful of scrap metal on the other side of the receiver for balance. I was aware of his passing, was just lucky to get the 24V done first. Does Hillside Sporting Goods still exist?

04 January 2022, 00:33

J Wisner

Dick, had bought that re-boring machine from my father about 1985, who had purchased it from Pat Morgan, about 1977, who was in Grants Pass OR.

The spindle hole was 4 inches in Inside diameter, the biggest I knew of.

As far as I know once Dick passed his wife shut the shop down.

JW

08 January 2022, 20:01

Wstrnhuntr

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Look at YouTube to see how the Pakistanis rifle barrels.

By hand.

I was brought one of these rifles here.

Fascinating how the rifling was going in different directions.

When I visited the Browning museum I marveled at the contraption that he used to cut rifling in barrels by hand back in the day. It was basically about a 4 foot log that had spiral cuts on it resembling rifling. That was fitted into about a 6 or 8 inch long piece of steel tubing with corresponding cuts that caused it to twist when the log slid back and forth, and there was a steel cutting rod fixed on one end of the log. Primitive as hell, but effective.

I wish I had a picture of it to share.

08 January 2022, 20:38

TomP

quote:
Originally posted by J Wisner:
Dick, had bought that re-boring machine from my father about 1985, who had purchased it from Pat Morgan, about 1977, who was in Grants Pass OR.

The spindle hole was 4 inches in Inside diameter, the biggest I knew of.

As far as I know once Dick passed his wife shut the shop down.

JW

Now I idly wonder if he did the 24V with a 4-jaw chuck.

10 January 2022, 02:06

Atkinson

What are the spec of a barrel blank for a shotgun barrel as to barrel thickness?? seems strange to be able to "rebore or rerifle a thin shotgun barrel" even a rebarrel would seem to heavy an too large an OD..perhaps a double rifle but then your not talking about a shotgun..??confusing at best, ridicules at any rate..

10 January 2022, 04:18

highcountry2

they come from factory with rifling

10 January 2022, 06:25

ssdave

quote:
Originally posted by highcountry2:
they come from factory with rifling

They start with a thicker barrel, so once the rifling grooves are cut away, they still have a safe thickness.

Shotgun barrels are very close to the thinness that is safe, not a lot of margin there to cut away any material, particularly with a sharp corner that can cause a stress riser. Barrel could easily split; particularly as slug or solid projectiles can cause elevated pressure anyway in a shotgun.

I think you could get someone to make you a rifled shotgun barrel, from a bored blank made for that purpose, but I believe most reboring guys would decline to rifle an existing shotgun barrel.

10 January 2022, 06:42

dpcd

I believe the OP wants a German Geha 98 Mauser shotgun rifled. Those were made in the 20s, from surplus GEW 98s. With the locking lugs removed!
I have a 16 gauge one.

10 January 2022, 09:58

458Win

quote:
Originally posted by Wstrnhuntr:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Look at YouTube to see how the Pakistanis rifle barrels.

By hand.

I was brought one of these rifles here.

Fascinating how the rifling was going in different directions.

When I visited the Browning museum I marveled at the contraption that he used to cut rifling in barrels by hand back in the day. It was basically about a 4 foot log that had spiral cuts on it resembling rifling. That was fitted into about a 6 or 8 inch long piece of steel tubing with corresponding cuts that caused it to twist when the log slid back and forth, and there was a steel cutting rod fixed on one end of the log. Primitive as hell, but effective.

I wish I had a picture of it to share.

Johnny Walker, who runs the Baptist mission on Kodiak still rifles barrels by hand.

And Danny Peterson , who owned Cut Rifle Barrels in Prescott , AZ also builds barrels on an old P&W rifling machine.

Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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10 January 2022, 16:28

highcountry2

brand new barrel blanks with heavy wall thickness
not looking to get thin wall barrels cut

10 January 2022, 19:25

dpcd

I'd just buy new barrels, already rifled. Avoid all the hassle.
But I get the impulse to do it the hard way.
And, yes, the backwoods gunsmiths used a rifling machine made of wood, with spiral grooves cut into it. Even Pope used that type and he would hire local teen agers to pull the cutter back and forth 1000 times.
Here is one:
https://www.muzzleloadingforum...rifling-bench.68040/

10 January 2022, 19:38

highcountry2

listed in catalogue christies gunworks sacramento calif
SHOTGUN BARRELS SMOOTHBORE READY FOR RIFLING
if lucky zaugg in reno was still alive i would just take them to him and have them done --- zero headache --
anyway scrap this idea -- headed to chopsaw -- make pretty good cement stakes

10 January 2022, 20:14

ssdave

Who has Les Bauska's tooling? I had him do a 600 nitro barrel for me 25 years ago, that is 20 ga. He told me that was his most popular "unusual" request. Way to get around "shotgun with slug" only rules for deer at that time.

10 January 2022, 22:20

dpcd

I think a lot of us would like the clock turned back 25 years.
Unfortunately, it don't work that way.

11 January 2022, 00:15

richj

Can't remember for sure where this was. Think it was the museum near Springdale, Ar maybe Saunders.

Rifling machine

13 January 2022, 09:37

matt salm

I have two rifling machines that would do the job….slowly. One is a sine bar (adjustable) machine, the other is the old timey drum style with steamed slats of wood wrapped along a 3” dia wooden drum. I’ve used neither in 12-15 years and I don’t have a rifling head for a 12 ga bore. They are both hand operated (pulled) one groove at a time and indexed around the horn til you get to the first groove and shim/adjust the cutter out another few tenths…it’s slow and tedius but it does work. You might want to look up some of the muzzleloader barrel makers and see if they would do that for you.

13 January 2022, 16:25

gasgunner

quote:
Originally posted by matt salm:
I have two rifling machines that would do the job….slowly. One is a sine bar (adjustable) machine, the other is the old timey drum style with steamed slats of wood wrapped along a 3” dia wooden drum. I’ve used neither in 12-15 years and I don’t have a rifling head for a 12 ga bore. They are both hand operated (pulled) one groove at a time and indexed around the horn til you get to the first groove and shim/adjust the cutter out another few tenths…it’s slow and tedius but it does work. You might want to look up some of the muzzleloader barrel makers and see if they would do that for you.

I'm beginning to think that everyone in Wisconsin has a rifling machine setting out behind the milking barn.

John

13 January 2022, 20:40

matt salm

quote:
Originally posted by gasgunner:

I'm beginning to think that everyone in Wisconsin has a rifling machine setting out behind the milking barn.

John

one was made by an uncle who lived in MN, hell of a machinist and gunsmith/craftsman, the other I drove down to KY and bought from a gentleman that was big into muzzleloaders in the 70’s and 80’s. Really well mad machine sine bar, linear bearings, etc. I need to modify the rack gear as there’s too much flex in it and then can likely do faster twists eventually. Hoping I have time to use them when retirement comes calling but I’d jump on a P&W sine bar rifler if I could find a reasonable one… And yes, WI is pretty rich with cut riflers…. I would term mine more of scratchers than anything

13 January 2022, 23:08

dpcd

For some strange reason, many of the cut rifle barrel makers are in Wisconsin; Obermyer, Badger, Rock was there, Krieger.
And many of those got their Pratt and Whitney machines from Douglas when they sold them; they had at least 30 of them in the early 70s when I used to visit them several times a year. (I dated a girl from Cross Lanes; I took here there on dates; maybe that is why she left.....)

14 January 2022, 01:55

TomP

quote:
Originally posted by richj:
Can't remember for sure where this was. Think it was the museum near Springdale, Ar maybe Saunders.

Rifling machine

One much like that at Jamestown.

14 January 2022, 02:11

Gringo Cazador

quote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
For some strange reason, many of the cut rifle barrel makers are in Wisconsin; Obermyer, Badger, Rock was there, Krieger.
And many of those got their Pratt and Whitney machines from Douglas when they sold them; they had at least 30 of them in the early 70s when I used to visit them several times a year. (I dated a girl from Cross Lanes; I took here there on dates; maybe that is why she left.....)

You just made me feel much better about myself!!!!