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all you need to do is copy the G.33/40 exactly, except for possibly the thumb cut, with good machine work and good steel, and then sell them for a price that a $40,000 a year guy can afford, and you will sell a bunch of them. | |||
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Make copies of the Brno 21H and ZG-47 actions with Argy '09 style bottom metal, a Blackburn type trigger and 3 pos. 70 safety. Do them in short, WSM, std. and mag. lengths with excellent steel and workmanship. Include two set of Q.D. lever rings with each action and offer a barreled action option with a banded front ramp and a bolt peep. You will sell as many as you can produce if the price is reasonable, BUT, make them of equal quality to the originals and many of us will part with our coin for them! | |||
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Why not having both C-Ring and Coned breech combined? I did a design a while back in CAD but never did make one. You need to forget about the Wichester 70 action design and instead concentrate on reproducing the Mauser 98 design. Of course, it needs a model 70 style safety and a double square bridge top. Also, make sure you have gas venting on the left side of the action and don't forget about full gas flange on the shroud of the 98. Have fun!
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Ah...the Holy grail. But don't forget the 3-position safety, Blackburn trigger, and one-piece straddle floorplate bottom metal, high quality steel, square bridges and QR rings. Karl, I wish you luck as you set forth on this noble quest. Many have ventured forth before you and have nothing but tears and empty pockets to show for their efforts. Godspeed good man. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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I have a feeling that the many that have ventured forth and had nothing but tears and empty pockets to show for their efforts was not becasue of their lack of manufacturing skills, but rather due to poor capitalization coupled with a misunderstanding of what the market really wants. I have always said that the most successful rifle company will have riflemen (and women) as stockholders and riflemen (and women) on the board of directors, rather than accountants and lawyers and such. Montana Rifle Company tried to overcome the lack of capitalization with a novel idea. Get everyone to pony up before delivery. That succeeded in getting a whole bunch of folks pissed off by having to wait so long for delivery. Instead, what they should have done was offer common stock to everyone here on AR in order to capitalize the company, and then have some folks from AR on their board of directors. And instead of doing things in large batches so that everybody had to wait a long time, they should have worked in much smaller batches and made deliveries right along I agree with both Forest and Kutenay. If a really fine small ring mauser action came out that had a c ring, 3 pos safety, blackburn trigger, 09 type bottom metal, excellent steel, excellent heat treat, and well machined, people would buy it if it were something that was affordable, and by affordable I mean somewhere about $250.00 less than a thousand dollar bill. | |||
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Can you make a straight Magnum 98 without the thumbslot ,and larger bolt body diameter for all the bigger rounds, and for Gods sake, Not with a model 70 saftey !!!!! | |||
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I would like a single C ring action much like the older FNs but with a straight down bolt..I also agree that the Brno 21 is a wonderful action but not for the big bores..A large ring is needed here... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Leave the thumb cut in they look cool  | |||
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Also please manage to get them to Australia !! | |||
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22wrf , Good point. I saw that situation as people being used and suckered in as investers. Free delivered pizza, chocolate chip cookies, beer, or a naked model jumping out of a cake would have been a more honest hustle. | |||
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why not the model 700 safety or the savage tang safety? perhaps I am a perfect Philistine, but I thing the 700 or savage safeties are the easiest to disengage silently. my model 70 safety "clicks" too much for my liking, and mauser and springfield safeties are too much work to use when sighting in on a fast target. at least for me. | |||
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to all the cheap skaters ....you CANNOT have quality and a rock bottom price...if your looking for that get your self a winchester or something in that leauge daniel | |||
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M98, Good point. Quality comes a cost. Tex Jason "Chance favors the prepared mind." | |||
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ok, I am cheap, I'll settle for a mdl 70 crf 375 length in the white for $300.  Billy, High in the shoulder (we band of bubbas) | |||
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M98 I would agree that quality does not come cheap. However, for a small producer you have to find a way to offer quality at a reasonable price or you will never sell the number of units needed to recoup the R&D costs, let alone the other fixed costs involved in production. You might be able to sell quite a few quality actions at say $750, but very few actions at $2500. The margin per unit may be much smaller per unit on the $750 price tag, but the quantity sold may make the overall margin higher than selling just a few units at a much higher margin. | |||
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Maybe it all depends on which customer base you are after. The many who can afford the $750.00 actions of the few who can afford $2500.00 actions for something that is NOT a necessity.  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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WRF what you have to take in account is when you redo an old mauser or any factory action it costs a few dollars to get it up to scratch ....why no add a few dollars and put it to something that has been done right from the word go ...and when the whole project is completed it will be real cheap ...in the long run any way for instance at present im having a M98 made from scratch to begin with the steel was heat treated before machineing...so theres no warpage ..the action is true , the magazine box was milled out from one billet of steel its inegeral , the bolt and handle are integeral not welded....plus double square bridge bridges...i guess i was prepared to pay a few dollars extra and think it was worth every cent...it was a cheap action plus a got a QUALITY PRODUCT ! will it shoot any better than a winchester or ruger that being touched up probabley the same but i have got the satisfaction that the action was done right from the word go regards daniel | |||
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Gunmaker Your Montana Rancher friend is a very wise man and I hear what you are saying. Obviously, if you have no margin at all you won't make any money no matter how many actions you sell. I certainly do not advocate a gunmaker doing all of that work to develop schematics, set up machines, make jigs, procure tooling and raw materials, and then earn no profit , i.e nothing per unit. That would be foolish. On the other hand, as you well know, it is just a bit more difficult to attract the masses to buy expensive work. Not that very fine hand work such as you do is not worth every penny that you ask for it, but rather that while most would love to have the work, most just cannot afford it, just as your Rancher friend may observe that while most would love to eat the filet mignon, most will purchase the hamburger. So, as I was saying, it would seem that there has to be some sort of balance. Make a product that appeals to the most people, but unlike Winchester and Remington, make it the best that you can absolutely make it, and charge a price that most can afford. Not an easy thing to do, which is why, as has been said, many have failed. M98 You can bet I am going to go and visit the fellow that is making your action the next time I am in Deadwood. Gotta see his setup. | |||
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The folks that succeed in the business are those that offer a great product at a reasonable price...not cheap, not overly expensive... Whoever comes out with an action the can compete with a pre 64 Win used action will win the shoot'en contest and I can buy a Pre 64 action for $400 to $500 max...A magnum for $600... The passed history of actions is some folks come out with them, sell 50 to a 100 of them and the market is kaput over with and their standing around whistling who'd a thought it!! Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Another vote for the g33/40 minus the thumb slot. Even H&H is now using the Winchester type safety. If the action is made to original '98 dimensions,a lot of options could be offered in bottom metal, bolt shrouds, etc, by sourcing them from vendors. | |||
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I would venture that the best choice is to make an exact duplicate of the Mauser double square bridge, retaing both the charger slot and the thumb cut. Then everyone is happy. The double square bridge allow for every concievable scope mount, while the charger slot and thumb cut will appeal to purists. Make magnum, standard and kurtz lengths. I wouldn't worry too much about the safety. As long as it is compatible with the 98, folks can put on any style they choose. (The thumb cut is there for more than decoration. It allow gas to escape away from the shooter's face, and allows for easy clearing of the left rail during single loading fumbles). | |||
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I think the action should be an EXACT duplication of a Mauser (complete with genuine Obendorf bolt handle), whether G33/40 or whatever. By changing things, like going with a cone breech, the action becomes bastardized and a lot of guys will just walk away from it. Take the Montana Rifleman actionf for example. With that ridiculous Sako bolt release, they have guaranteed that no high end riflemaker will use their actions, and the Montana Rifleman product will be considered 2nd class at best. | |||
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Kurt and 500 (among others) are offering very good guidance. My advice is to start with an exact replica of a standard length 98 and see how the market responds. Don't try to make this a $400 action. It can't done right for that price. At the risk of death threats, I'd say this ought to be an $800-$1,000 action. A good '09 Argentine or '35 Chilean can be had for a few hundred bucks. People will pay $800+ for clean Oberndorf commercials. All of these actions need better triggers, bottom metal, safeties, etc. The next step-up are the Prechtl or Granite Mountain actions and here the price tag is about $2500 or more. There's a big price gap between the military mausers that need a lot of work and the modern replicas that are ready for inletting. Make a VERY high quality action for $1,000 and people will beat a path to your door. As 500 says, a bastardized version will leave customers cold. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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Hi Waffenhein! Make the real thing!!! Anything else will be like anything else!! DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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Keep the thumb slot for sure, I like the looks of it, I feel for me that it just looks right on .404's etc. | |||
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Well, I was a bit more careful and called it half breed while you labelled is bastardised. How about thumb slot as option? I want an action fully mauser compatible. A start line with magnum and standard would be nice. Right now I'm looking for a magnum action......  | ||
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Ok, I will ask what some may consider a stupid question... What is the difference between the C Ring and H Ring in these guns? Is there a reason one is favored over the other? ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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Just make one for us Lefties... | |||
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forged or cast? | |||
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G33/40 clone...  | |||
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Who in Australia is making these M-98 actions mentioned above, is there a website? | |||
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Karl - aren't there enough mauser actions out there already? Or is the market just much larger than I realize? PRECHTL, Johannesen, Granite Mountain, Hartmann & Weiss are all in the "top-drawer" mauser game. Is there room for another one? I obviously don't know, but am curious. As for the guys that want a $3000.00 action for $500.00 - well, you just can't get there from here. | |||
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Karl, I just bought a Heym-built commercial Mauser, intermediate-length action. It has the C-ring, no thumb cut and the Buhler-style safety. Actually I bought the whole rifle, but I wanted the action to build a .376 Steyr.  jim if you're too busy to hunt,you're too busy. | |||
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He is not in Australia. Rather, he is supposedly in Deadwood South Dakota. | |||
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Or consider, As another possibility (for us the USA) import Prechtl's, Hartmann & weiss's actions (or receivers) from Germany , or Vector actions from the RSA? Who builds http://www.empirearms.com "domestically produced" 98S action? | |||
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NEW GUY Prechtal makes mausers for JOHANNSEN ...i got that straight from the horses mouth..fact daniel | |||
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OK, so there are only three top-shelf mauser makers. Prechtl, H&W and Granite Mountain... The question is still the same: are there so many of these actions being used that there is room in the market place for another maker? | |||
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