I need to send off an action for rebarreling. I intend to use USPS. I hear they are the best and I understand it is legal to send to an ffl. Do I need to inform them (USPS) or can I just send it?

Thanks,

Pole

I think that you are supposed to inform them, I did at least. Be prepared to explain to them that it is legal and they can look in their reference book. I had to go through it with my local USPS because they had not had anybody ship a rifle before. They got their book and I explained that owner to FFL or factory was allowed as long as it was not a handgun.

Red
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I also told UPS the first time I used them, my usual method, because their website says to inform them I think. But after the guy told me he didn't care I don't tell them anymore. never had a problem with big brown.

The last time I mailed a rifle out, the guy at the post office kept the FFL copy I had. He said he needed to attach it to his records. Don't know if he needed to or not, but be prepared with a copy to prove the addressee is an FFL.

forgot to mention that, I did leave a copy with them as well.

Red

go to the usps website, look up shipping a firearm, i think i's 651, ut might be 641... print a copy, take it with you....

explain that their opinion is great, but the law expresly forbids them in GIVING you that opinion, that they are compelled to ship it, it is ILLEGAL to mark the box in any way that it's a firearm and if they have a problem, have the post master come him you directly

there is NO LAW that requires them to keep a copy of your ffl, your license, or anything else.. again, the OPINION thing...

only handguns must be shipped overnight...

unless you have a dealer or maker fFL, you can NOT fill in their little dealer forum, as that would make you a felon to the atf.;

remember, these guys are NOT the batfe, and can not encumber you in this, as long as you are legal


jeffe

This question has come up many times before. Doing a search on any of the shooting forums will probably turn up some good information.\\USPS is the best way to send a firearm to an FFL. You DO NOT have to furnish the PO a copy of an FFL, no matter what they might say. It's best to have copies of the law in your hands and ask to speak to the Postmaster if you have any problems. Unfortunately, even the Postmasters sometimes don't know the law. You can also use UPS but since they are a private company you don't have much recourse if they give you a hard time.

We ship almost all of our actions, barreled actions and rifles via USPS. We box it up, walk in and ship it. They do not retain a copy of the FFL, they do not require us to tell them it is a firearm. My advice package it, address it, declare the value and buy the insurance and ship it.

Thanks all, I have copies of the docs but I live in a liberal city and , well, enough said. I can just imagine the looks on their faces, the hurried scramble to call the local PD, and the general mass hysteria if I mention it is a rifle.

I ship firearms and receive firearms all the time via UPS and the only requirements are that you declare it as a firearm and the package must be labeled “Adult Signature Required.†That is both a UPS and a BATF requirement.

I always overnight or next day any firearms shipments so they are in a constant state of movement rather than sitting some where on a shelf waiting to be moved through the system. This was highly recommended to me by a neighbor who is a supervisor with UPS...and I have NEVER had any problems shipping or receiving firearms.

Jeffe and Rick hit it on the nose...but for you non-believers there is a very simple test...call Winchester, Ruger or Remington and tell them you are a private individual that would like to have a signed copy of their FFL license. One of two things will happen...you will not get a word in edgewise due to the laughter or they will politely inform you they do not care for crank telephone calls....

I'll vote for UPS. I sent my rifle from Wyoming to Montana by them. I told them it was a rifle up front. The lady wanted to know why it did not say to a business (I sent it to my gunsmith by his name and not business name). I told her it was so I would not be announcing that the package held a gun. Her attitude was "OK". She then proceeded to tell me about a gunsmith here in town that I did not know about. I have 2 pieces of advice for which ever way you ship it. #1 INSURE IT!!!! #2 MAke sure you can track it. Mine was insured and I was able to track it through every stop. UPS's system told me when it got to each transfer point and when it left there, and when it got to MT, who signed for it, etc.

I have shipped barrels and actions before via USPO with no problems.... Since it is not wit the stock, it does not completely function.. I just let them know it is rifle parts... Never had a problem at all.

cheers
seafire

rick 0311, can you tell me where you found this information?

I ship firearms and receive firearms all the time via UPS and the only requirements are that you declare it as a firearm and the package must be labeled “Adult Signature Required.†That is both a UPS and a BATF requirement.

I just haven't seen this requirement by either the BATF nor the USPS, thanks jimmyd

Ric,

I agree, just stop by the UPS, declare that it's a firearm, overnight it - or two day it at the latest, and let er rip!

All this FFL stuff is self imposed.

Go to one of those box stores. Get them to wrap that barreled action in bubble wrap. Then have them put that in a large enough box to cushion the wraped actin with shipping peanuts.

Make sure the box is FULL close and tape it. Then I'd go to USPS or FEDEX and overnight it.

It is leagal for you, an individual, to ship that to a person or company that can legally recieve it.

I do not like UPS as they have not honored insurance claims.

I have had zero trouble with USPS or FEDEX.

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Originally posted by jimmyd223:
rick 0311, can you tell me where you found this information?

I ship firearms and receive firearms all the time via UPS and the only requirements are that you declare it as a firearm and the package must be labeled “Adult Signature Required.†That is both a UPS and a BATF requirement.

I just haven't seen this requirement by either the BATF nor the USPS, thanks jimmyd

Jimmyd,

As far as declaring to the carrier that it is a firearm, that is covered in 18 USC 922 (a)(2)(A), 922 (e), and 27 CFR 178.31, and is listed on page 136 of the Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide publication ATF P 5300.4 of January 2000.

You may ship a rifle or shotgun through the US Postal Service (if you are crazy!) but NOT handguns. A common or contract carrier must be used for all handgun shipments.

The “Adult Signature Required†was told to me by the ATF agents that issued my licence and also by UPS. I do not have the specific law or rule number for that at my finger tips but I had always done that anyway without being told to by either the ATF or UPS. I believe that this was also mentioned in the last ATF FFL newsletter I received.

This isn’t rocket science...people mail firearms all the time and I know I certainly have never had any problems in doing so before or after getting an FFL.

This is taken right off the UPS web site:

Shipping Firearms

Special Procedures for Shipping Firearms
Use These UPS Services for Your Firearm Shipment
Firearms will be transported only between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed collectors, as defined in the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, law enforcement agencies of the United States or of any department or agency thereof and law enforcement agencies of any state or department agency, or political subdivision thereof, and between persons not otherwise prohibited from shipping firearms by federal, state or local law and when such shipment complies with all applicable federal, state and local laws.

You must ship your packages that contain handguns with UPS Next Day Air Early A.M.®, UPS Next Day Air®, or UPS Next Day Air Saver® services
Your packages that contain firearms will not be accepted for shipment at UPS Drop Boxes, with UPS SonicAir® service, at locations of The UPS Store or any third-party retailer, or with international services.


Follow These Packing Requirements
Your packages that contain handguns must be separated from other packages being delivered to UPS
Ammunition cannot be included in your packages that contain firearms (including handguns)


About Documentation and Labeling
When you are shipping your package that contains a firearm with UPS, you must affix a UPS label requesting an ADULT SIGNATURE upon delivery.


Getting Your Firearm Shipment to UPS
You can only ship your package that contains a firearm from UPS daily pickup accounts and through UPS Customer Centers
When you are shipping a package that contains a handgun, you must verbally notify the UPS driver or UPS Customer Center clerk.