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I want to build a 9.3x70 for myself, anyone have any experience with a legacy mauser? I was also thinking of using a FN commercial I have. It seems kind of small. What do you think? I am also thinking of having Empire do all this for me, but the price will be higher. | ||
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I can offer no knowledge of the Legacy action for you. But your project sounds very interesting. What are your plans with the rifle as far as stock, sights, etc...? Would you mind sharing some info about the 9.3x70? I am unfamiliar with the 9.3x70, in fact I just started playing with my first 9.3 rifle in a 9.3x57. The 9.3 bore diameter is quickly getting my attention. Altering your commercial FN would seem to me to be a good choice. You get a smaller trimmer package compared to using a magnum action. I am using a 1909 for my custom 375 H&H and have handled several built large calibers built on standard 98 actions. They sure are nice fast handling rifles. William Berger True courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway. - John Wayne The courageous may not live forever, but the timid do not live at all. | |||
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9,3x70 is my dream rifle. Thats really a "one world, one rifle". Unfortunatelly only Rimer Johannsen has it. Where to find the reamer? Burkhard | |||
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This link was posted on Medium Bores under the 9.3x70 topic - African-Hunter magazine 9,3x70 article. Getting a custom reamer will only cost about $150 from one of the reamer makers if you can get a copy of the blueprint from Harold Wolf. Or maybe Harold would tell you who made his reamer? If you don't have your heart set on that exact cartridge, I'm sure other 9.3 cal wildcats on the 404J case have already been done. Best of luck, - stu | |||
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I spent some time talking (hardly) with the sales rep from legacy, who, on EVERY question about his actions, told me to call Empire Rifles and "George would know" "What's the available boltfaces on the in-the-white actions?" "George ... would know" "what is the available mag box ?" "George ... would know" "what's the longest round i can put in it?" you guessed it "George ... would know" the lump at legacy was worthless, and the only thing I learned, from a 20-25 min phone call is that "George ... would know" So, George DOES know. their $600 action is nothing but a .473 boltface setup for 30-06 and takes at least 10 shop hours to clean up. If you want a mag, you have to go up to their $1200 action. Total rubbish... I did ask the sales guy, "Andy" if he had actually ever held one of the actions? ... No, and the gunsmith that knew about them retired A YEAR AGO jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeffeosso, D99. I am currently working one of these Legacy actions over to 9.3 x 64 for a customer who posts here. I expect to have it done in about a month so once I get it done will be able to post more info about the work required on this action. The second action we got for this project is not bad but will require some rework as to the way them made the action. I will ask the owner to post some pics once he gets it back. Jim Wisner Custom Metalsmith | |||
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Glade to see this caliber is getting a little attention. I posted on the Medium Bore about this. I would love to hear how these actions will work for this caliber. | |||
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I do see that Hermann Görings rifle had a 27.5" barrel.    | |||
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Thanks for posting the photos 333. Let's see if we can get some excitement going on this round. It is starting to look as though the 9.3s are here to stay. | |||
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Run a search. We have done a few threads on this caliber in the last year, and one just two months ago. LD  | |||
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Are you trying to use some of my own medicine on me Lawndart? I did do a search, and I was hoping to turn up more information. I have also searched the net for more on the rifles. I may go the WWHein route. One thing is for sure it will be a elk whacker supreme. I haven't quite decided how to do this: Rebuilt stainless M70 McMillan Thumbholed stock with a 27 inch #5 fluted Lilja. Or Classy Mauser with Germanic actioned sideplates, schnabel forend, pancake cheekpeice, and classic butt. We be a whole hell of a lot more shootable as a Thumbholed big-varmint rifle, thinking! | |||
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D99 I got an e-mail back from Mr. Wolf the first of this week. He informed me that he was resurrecting his gunsmithing business and he had a new line of rifles that he was building. He hoped they would be available early 2007. Might want to check with him. James | |||
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Here's how you do it, easy, cheap, solid and shootable: Get one box of brass from Reimar Johannsen. I guarantee they have some collecting dust. Send a few cases to dave Kiff. In a month you will have a reamer, gauges and a reamer for making dies (I will split these costs with you). Use a Winchester 300 RUM action. Use either a "Legend" patterned stock by D'Arcy Echols (McMillan makes them, he sells them) with a heavy fill, or get a McMillan stock in a Sako Hunter pattern with a heavy fill. Both stocks are comfortable and very ergonomically sound. 25" barrel is plenty with modern powders. This is just basically a .336 RUM that looks a lot cooler and has a bit of history to it. The brass is easy to make. One of our European correspondents is working on getting basic 404 brass out and available. LD | |||
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LD, That would be .366 RUM, nicht wehr? What bullets will you all be using for elk? thanks...jim if you're too busy to hunt,you're too busy. | |||
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300 grain swifts on elk. I will stock the rifle in a McMillan thumbhole if I go glass and a big classic looking wood handle with a cheekpiece and wood sidepanel extensions if I go au natural. You can use whatever McMillan you want, and i will do the same. I am building my rifle you build yours! With the thumbhole I will go 27 without it I will go 25. Either way Lilja is making the tube. | |||
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I like the 25 inch, but Hermann Göring's 27 inch is long! | |||
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Especially for a 1940 rifle. | |||
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I am not sure how tall or long armed Hermann Göring was, but that is a long rifle for sure. I wonder what the overall length was? It probably only had a 13.5 LOP. | |||
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Our good friend Jim Wisner is building that 9.3x64 Brenneke for me. I sent him a Std M98 Legacy SPorts "Global Trading" action to use as a base, a Jim Baer "Half Moon Barrels" 9.3 barrel (very good stuff Maynard!) made from 4340 Timken steel and the clincher - a Sako peep for fitting as a backup sight to the rear bridge dovetail. Alot of planning and rethinking by Jim to make these parts all play together in the same sandbox. Jim is also going to make me a special set of QR lever rings for this and recut / cleanup the receiver dovetails. I purposely left out a couple of little trick details - you'll just have to wait for those!   When he is done with it all, I'd be happy to post pictures of Jim's work. I think some of you have seen the picts I posted of my friends three P14 actions that Jim built for my friend Paul over a span of several years - very high quality detailed work!P14 Trio .505 Gibbs & .450 Rigby by JWisner Anyone considering a 9.3 rifle do contact Jim Baer of Half Moon Barrels in MT for a quality barrel - these are profiled and then cryo treated as well. Merry Christmas - Jeff Pfeifer | |||
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I don't know if a guy could find that out or not. Everytime I have seen him in a movie, he was short and fat. I don't know if he actually was built this way or if it is poetic lisence to poke fun at him. I beleive he killed himself within a few hours of Hitlers and Avas death. There is a new movie out about the last few weeks for Hitler in the bunker in Berlin. It's in German with subtitles, but it's really excellent. Not sure about the name of it. It's basically the acount of Hitler's secratary of the last few weeks, she died about 2 years ago, and I guess they worked with her in her final years to get a first hand acount. The punchline is he was so worried about what the Russians would do with his body that he made sure he and Ava were creamated on the spot, with the gasoline from the escape vehicles that were never used. So we have Napoleon's body, we have Stalin's body, but that's why Hitler's body is gone. | |||
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How do we get a hold of them? Anyone have a web link? | |||
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thanks for the help, but he is in competition with Lothar Walther right now on this barrel. | |||
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First time I heard of Jim Baiar (sp?) and Halfmoon Barrels was from a VERY respected gun maker (buchsenmachermeister - sp?) right here in Boise. He was using Jim's 9.3 barrels in his $$$ double rifles. That should give you an idication of the quality of these barrels. LW barrels are great barrels too as can be attested to by the successes on this forum. I would not hesitate to use either one. Just nice to have a choice sometimes especially at this quality level! | |||
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Maurice Ottmar also thought very highly of Jim Baiar and his barrels. Hard to beat that endorsement. | |||
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Gentlemen: I have been trying to get info on this cartridge for years. Reimar Johannson's has emailed me that 9.3x70 Expert Brass will not be available until FEB 2006 at the earliest. No one in Europe has bothered to reply with dimensional specifications. Clymers DOES have a drawing for the cartridge (attached) but it is fairly crude. I did buy the reamer, expecting brass to arrive soon (it did not). I am not fool enough to use that reamer and gage until the Expert brass arrives. RCBS has also made reloading dies but shipped them off to Germany. They do not desire to sell any more of them untill they get a fired casing from a customers rifle to see if it conforms. ANYONE getting Johannson Expert brass please sell me ONE. Thanks much. | |||
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