Just when you thought you had seen about everything.....

A Guy walked into the shop today with a 1909 Argentine Mauser, poorly sported, reamed to 30-06. The bolt seemed to have a "catch" in it, but he was shooting it.

Here is the business end of the bolt.

1909 Bolt1 by jakefromclemson, on Flickr

Another shot showing that both lugs are ground!!

1909 Bolt2 by jakefromclemson, on Flickr

Ye though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death....

For what it's worth, here is the safety lug. It was ground also.

1909Bolt3 by jakefromclemson, on Flickr

All that extra lug bearing surface is just for sissies; they work much smoother with no lugs.

Aside from the butchery of that bolt and the implications, pretty impressive it didn't let go. Better lucky than not, you saved his life likely.

What the +=÷#%$&%%&*

A belt sander smoothie

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That's some advanced gunsmithing, right there. Not many people know what to do when the scope mount screw is interfering with bolt operation. This guy identified the issue and went right to the cure. I am in awe. Regards, Bill

"Jack Daniels School of Gunsmithing" no doubt. I especially like the way the front lugs were tapered.

I'm speechless. I would like to laugh but it's too serious.

It macabre..
I don't wanna ask.. German or Argentina build? Nuclear loads?

Wanna bet the seats are battered?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

Wanna bet the seats are battered?

I hadn't even considered the scope mount screw until Bill's post. I would have bet on the lug seats being swaged out.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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That's some advanced gunsmithing, right there. Not many people know what to do when the scope mount screw is interfering with bolt operation. This guy identified the issue and went right to the cure. I am in awe. Regards, Bill

I submit this guy also didn't know what to do. Otherwise he would have only had to grind ONE lug, not all 3.

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Originally posted by Bobster:
"Jack Daniels School of Gunsmithing" no doubt. I especially like the way the front lugs were tapered.

maybe so he could slam it forward without rotating the handle?

But why?????

You guys are chicken littles; there was little/no risk to the guy who did this. Back thrust on rifle actions is measured in the few thousand pounds of axial pressure on the lugs, and there are still three potential surfaces for those. Remember the PO Ackley test where he proved that NO locking lug was needed up to 40K psi, as long as the case was dry. The 94 Winchester lever held it all with the locking bolt removed.
Don't forget the Mauser Geha shotgun which has NO primary locking lugs and relys only on the safety lug.
He was shooting it wasn't he?
But don't do it. The guy was/is an idiot.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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That's some advanced gunsmithing, right there. Not many people know what to do when the scope mount screw is interfering with bolt operation. This guy identified the issue and went right to the cure. I am in awe. Regards, Bill

I submit this guy also didn't know what to do. Otherwise he would have only had to grind ONE lug, not all 3.

I saw that

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Originally posted by ssdave:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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That's some advanced gunsmithing, right there. Not many people know what to do when the scope mount screw is interfering with bolt operation. This guy identified the issue and went right to the cure. I am in awe. Regards, Bill

I submit this guy also didn't know what to do. Otherwise he would have only had to grind ONE lug, not all 3.

I just put that down to runaway enthusiasm, but I think you are right, the guy was an idiot. Bill

Straight pull actions are getting popular, this is a useful technique to convert a 98 action.

The workmanship might be improved and volunteers to test the prototypes might be in short supply, innovation is welcome and this should score highly in the annual Darwin awards.

I submit this guy also didn't know what to do. Otherwise he would have only had to grind ONE lug, not all 3.[/QUOTE]
I just put that down to runaway enthusiasm, but I think you are right, the guy was an idiot. Bill[/QUOTE] If you haven't noticed, they abound lately. They have it "all figured out", yet projects go south on a regular basis. They blame the parts, they blame everyone but themselves. Certainly a semi-mechanically minded can do, provide some common sense is applied. But, as has been mentioned countless times, "common sense isn't so common anymore".

Makes me wonder what other parts had been ground up. Hope another bolt is all that's needed. Not that that would be cheap.

NICE!!
Speed-locked it for 3 Gun comp.

Years ago when I was making and selling Pre 64 Win Bolt assemblies.
I sold one bolt to a Master Gunsmith in FL.

A few weeks later I get this phone call and he says I can not get the bolt to fully close
So he ships me the rifle, and sure enough the bolt would not fully close.
He had taken a Metal Hammer and had BEAT on the bolt handle trying to get it to close !!

I had the barreled action in my lap inspecting it, and tried to close the bolt, ???
The front scope base moved ??

Some one had installed the scope bases using the longest screw possible down into the locking lug recess.
The bolt lug was hitting the side of the screw, and he had BEAT on the handle enough to bend the scope mount screw

I managed to remove the bent scope base screw and the bolt closed just fine

When I told him what the problem was, his answer was I did not install those scope bases so not my problem.

It takes all kinds of people to make this world move around each day, but some persons, I just have to shudder, and Thank the Good Lord that they are not my Neighbors

Jim Wisner

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Makes me wonder what other parts had been ground up. Hope another bolt is all that's needed. Not that that would be cheap.

My thoughts also. Now I remember why I quit doing work for others.
Don