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I can buy one reasonable. Would one be a good candidate to convert to 300 H&H? thanks, Rich | ||
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I would not and in all likely hood, can't.The 300 H&H case overall length is 3.600, the 30/06 is 3.340, the 7.65/53 BM is 2.992, I do not recommend it but the 308 Norma Mag would be a better choice, by design it was designed for rifles chambered in 30/06. If you have a chance to purchase the rifle for a reasonable price the decision should not hinge on the possibility the rifle can be barreled to a 300 H&H. Other options if their is a problem with the 7.65/53 BM, some have chambered the rifle 30/06 with a small conflict, the 7.65 is .311, the 30/06 is .308, the perfect chamber would be a 7.65/06 instead of a 7.65 with a 30/06 chamber, the neck of the 30/06 chamber is smaller and the throat/forcing sections of the reamer is smaller than the 7.65, but I am told all I have to do is size the cases to 30/06 with a 7.65 (3.11) expander ball ( I would use a neck reamer and a .311 throat reamer to finish the job). As to the 300H&H, there are too many better choices for that rifle to choose from that would not require opening the bolt face. There is one South American Mauser that was opened up for longer cartridges when chambered to 30/06 from 7mm57, the box, floor plate and trigger guard is longer, not long enough for the 300 H&H but longer, problem, to accommodate longer ammo metal was removed from the rear of the bottom bolt locking area of the receiver, for some that is not a problem, for me I want all the metal behind the locking lugs I can get., If you want a 300H&H locate a M1917 Enfield or a P14, or both because you can use the P14 bolt in the M1917 for belted cases (with fitting), then there is the metal removal? It is by no means an easy task when using the M1917/P14, as I said, I would not attempt the 300 H&H in the Argentine Mauser. F. Guffey | |||
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It can be done and it has been done many, many times. BUUUT (there's usually a BUUUT in there somewhere, grin) there are several pitfalls to consider. Firstly as already mentioned, the conversion requires significant removal of support steel from behind the lower locking lug. Some if not most older Mausers are softer than desirable and this removal can lead to receiver failure through lug setback. I've actually SEEN some 'gunsmiths' write about how their particular 1909 has set back 'only' some small number of thousandths of an inch and has since not set back any further. And so it must be OK, right? 'ONLY' a small setback? IMO any measurable setback should require a replacement of the receiver or AT LEAST a remachining of the lug surfaces and then a re-heat-treatment of the entire receiver and then of course a corresponding setback of the barrel to regain proper headspace. This soft-setback condition is apparently unique to Mausers, we never or hardly ever hear about any other old bolt rifles with this problem. Another consideration for some folks might be barrel life. It's a known fact that the 300 H&H WILL erode the chamber throat some 2-3 times faster than some other magnum case shapes. The long sloping shoulder concentrates the erosive gases directly on the throat and in many cases a noticable deterioration of accuracy can be shown at around the 1000-rd mark if full loads are used. However in my experience most folks who would consider building a 300 H&H are usually not the sort of folks who would shoot it a lot, so it probably doesn't matter.(grin) IIWY I'd use another action for my 300 H&H, IMO there are several actions around that would be MUCH better for this application. JMO. Regards, Joe __________________________ You can lead a human to logic but you can't make him think. NRA Life since 1976. God bless America! | |||
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Over thirty years ago a fellow brought his 98/09 Argentine carbine into my shop and wanted me to load some ammo for it as he was having a problem with the Norma ammo he was shooting. I checked the rifle over and found the lugs had set back. I refused to load the ammo or have anything to do with the rifle. The customer was instantly mad and advised me I knew nothing about guns and numerous other things. Up to that time I had only heard rumors about the 98/09 sometimes being soft and having set-back problems. Since then I have built a couple of rifles on the 98/09 action, 35 Whelens, and have experienced no problems, but I'm not sure I would want to go to a higher pressure cartridge or one with a larger base and higher back thrust. | |||
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Somewhere in my dim memory I remember reading of Ken Waters developing something called the 312 Express, and I believe he used the '09 Mauser. Does this ring any bells? I know the selection of bullets is still not the best, but bullet design has come a long way in the last 15 years or so. I think .311" Hornadys would perform just fine... | |||
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IMO, the only feature that makes the '09 more desirable than other suitable Mauser 98 actions is the trigger guard. | |||
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Idaho: Go to Duane's website (customgunandrifle)and there's a picture of a set of 1909s that Duane did for me in .300 H&H and .375 H&H. They turned out beautifully and worked well everything in CAR. MMP | |||
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This ground about opening up 98's AND 1909's has been plowed so many times we're on the 35th generation. In spite of those that say they have seen 1909's "set back"..I personally haven't seen one do so. I do not hesitate for a split second to use these actions for anything reasonable...300, 375, 500 Jeff...etc. An observaion about the "Whitworth" action! (Mark X as far as I can see) The ones made for 375 H&H are REALLY opened up from the factory...matter of fact, they will accept ammo loaded to 3.8" My gut says that's a bit beyond historical limits. | |||
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Duane, is it ok to fire current factory ammunition in your 1909 based .300H&H and .375H&H rifles? | |||
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Duane, do you have your 09's heat treated or you use them as is? just curious (I have two that have been surface ground and WILL be heat treated, but know that some don't feel it's necessary). Red | |||
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I believe Holland & Holland requires ALL their bolt rifle mauser actions to be rehardened purely for............................. fun! Tom Burgess saw good reason for having the same kind of fun. | |||
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The difference being that the Mark X is made of Alloy Steel and heat treated differently than the 1909. _______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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I personally think that they need it, from my conversations with Tom, however was curious what Duane thought. | |||
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I'm not Duane, but IIRC he has stated that he does not reharden Mausers and all the rifles he builds are built to fire factory Ammo(I believe that he said that as a gunmaker he ignores the fact that customers might reload as he has no control over the ammo they load). Duane, please don't be pissed if I am misrepresenting what you have said. I have always studied your posts as though I was cramming for an exam. But I never was a great student.....  Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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300 H&H is reasonable, and a bloody good idea. Get some bottom metal from Duane. It can go to PacMet with its twin.  | |||
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Is this a fact? Never heard or read that before. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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First place I recall seeing it was in some of Elmer Keith's stuff. His early writings had lots of info on the use of both the 300 and the 375 on Western game as well as his experiences with various 300s shooting in long-range matches. He even went to Perry one year, representing Montana. The 243 Win is another known offender in this area. Compare the shoulder angle of the 243 with the 6mm Rem and you'll see why the 243 almost always has a much shorter throat life. The shoulder angle and neck length of the 300 combine to focus the burning powder gases on the barrel's throat rather than the inside of the neck as in a more sharp-shouldered design. The resulting erosion is often exacerbated by using slow-burning IMR-type stick powders, whose relatively sharp edges wear the throat much faster than many ball powders. But let's be honest now, how many 300 H&H custom rifle shooters will A)shoot their rifle more than 1000 rounds with full loads and B)pay enough attention to notice the growing group sizes? Sure, it's a splendid traditional cartridge and it'll still haul the freight when needed. But the 300 Win Mag will outperform it six ways from Sunday in convenience, accuracy and barrel life. Kinda like my old Harley hog stacked up against a new rice-burner, on the one hand you gotcher tradition & braggin' rights while on the other hand you gotcher comfort, convenience & performance.(grin) You pays your money and you takes your choice.(VBG) Regards, Joe __________________________ You can lead a human to logic but you can't make him think. NRA Life since 1976. God bless America! | |||
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With .300hh and .300win at same pressure, gas temp. and flow rate in the neck and past the throat, would be the same for both catridges, no? ... I cannot see how a long sloping shoulder would cause more throat erosion. Pressure is equal in all directions regardless of case shape. | |||
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Ladies and Gentlemen: Here's a theory as to a cause for throat erosion: "Exponents of the sharp shoulder ideas feel that the sharp shoulder creates greater resistance to the burning powder thus holding more of it in the case during the burning process which prevents such a high percentage of unburned powder being blown out into the throat of the barrel to create a sand blasting effect at which point erosion quickly destroys accuracy." - Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders, Vol. I, Parker O. Ackley, page 158 (1962). Other than this being one hell of a run on sentence, the theory of the powder physically eroding the throat before it finishes burning in the barrel instead of in the cartridge case may be correct. The corollary being a long, gently sloping shoulder which the 300 H&H Magnum has may allow more of the powder to abrade the barrel steel at the throat before it burns. On the other hand, the 220 Swift has a reputation as a barrel burner, but it has a 21 degree shoulder. I have no data to back this sharper versus more sloping shoulder theory up. Sincerely, Chris Bemis | |||
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Please also consider the 'funnel' effect, that is, the effect of a smaller or larger neck dia on the substance flowing through it. Same powder charge at the same pressure equals the same flow rate/friction past the funnel's neck, right? Wrong. A study of internal ballistics shows that the smaller neck presents less area for the same amount of heat transfer and erosion, so therefore the smaller neck will wear more rapidly since it has less area to dissipate the negative effects. The smaller neck also makes for much higher velocity which will also increase the rate of erosion. These very erosive cartridges are all high-intensity high-capacity ones and IMO the higher gas/solids velocity and larger volume of solids is one of the major culprits along with the shoulder/neck dimensions and the powder type. You don't ever hear about any throat erosion problems with the 222 Rem. Smaller case, longer neck, smaller powder grains. Also consider comparing the 358 Win against the 308 Win against the 7-08 against the 260 Rem against the 243 Win. All have close to the same capacity, case shape and pressure but the larger cartridges don't wear the throat like the 243, not even CLOSE! Regards, Joe __________________________ You can lead a human to logic but you can't make him think. NRA Life since 1976. God bless America! | |||
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That's interesting info. I suppose it matters if a guy shoots a lot, and has the barrel on an action that will actually last 1000+ shots, before setting back on the lugs, and becoming useless.  KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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I'm not a Mauser expert, but from what I read the 1909 Argentine has a 3.31" mag which is just right for the x57 but WAY to short for a 300H&H without truely mucking about with the MotoDremel. While the strength of the action is not in question I think I would pick a shorter case like the Ruger or 300 Win or one of the several other "short magnums" or even a shortened RUM case and keep the grinder the He** away from the receiver...!!!! I think PO Ackley also said that any cartridge over 40KPSI will cause throat erosion. The problem is until the advent of the borescope the only way to know what was happening was to section the barrel. Nowadays anyone that competes at the highest levels has access to a borescope and can watch the erosion and, at least, relay that information as related to a specific cartridge and load. I think there is a whole lot of "Stuff" floating around on forums about throat erosion etc, that is baseless and without merit and mostly "by guess and by golly" or falls under the rubric of "IMO". Much of the thoughts are simplistic in nature and don't take into consideration ALL the parameters. I've had two 220 Swifts that were still going strong after over 4000 rounds and 10 years of shooting each...but I also know cases that chewed up a barrel in less than 600 rounds. It is true that a case that burns 20-30 gr of powder doesn't produce as much heat as one burning 100 gr, but the grain size can be the same...I've use H4350 in several cases from 223 to belted mags...and RL-15/17 the same. It would be nice to have some factual data to study...some long term tests on the different parameters. I have read some studies but much of it was after the fact. Luck | |||
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Ok then 375H&H will have less barrel life than sharp shouldered .375 ruger. | |||
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Yes the smaller dia. 243win has greater "jet effect", ie; same volume of gas must pass through a smaller orifice. However wouldnt the larger bore cases at same pressure/gas volume, have the same initial gas vel. , but just for shorter durations respective of their larger orifice? ie; larger dia. allows less restriction/higher volumetric rate of gas flow. Obviously greater jet effect contributes more to barrel wear than does a shallower shoulder depth. .358win has much less shoulder to prevent unburnt power from damaging the throat, yet barrel life is generally much greater than .243win. | |||
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+1 If there are differences in throat erosion between the 300H&H and the .300 Win Mag then they are not enough to amount to anything in the tangible world. If they were, we would have heard about a lot of shot out rifles over the years. The 300RUM or 30-378? Okay, but the 300H&H? How silly is that? . | |||
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1)Read D'Arcy Echols tretice on heat treating. He may not be a metalurgist, but I'll have any and all pre-war manufacture mauser actions heat treated given what he has to say. 2) I have seen a couple Holland & Holland built 375 H&H rifles for sale on the internet, and they have, "Deusche Waffen-Und Munitionsfabriken Berlin" stamped on the left side of the the receiver wall. Almost certainly a 1909 or perhaps a 1908 Brazilian. Echols noted that Holland & Holland always has these action re-carburized/heat treated. The 375 and 300 Hollands both Max at 3.6". 3) I would like to see some hard evidence of the 300 H&H being more erosive to bores than other 30 cal mags. Sounds like horse feathers to me, but maybe this is true. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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IS- I would just caution you to look closely at the action before purchase. I have seen tons of '09's with a good bit of pitting. Some is OK, but if it is so many pits it will require a serious amount of welding I would keep shopping. So, assuming she is not excessively pitted, then the '09 would make an excellent platform for the .300H&H. I personally would get her anealed before the build and then recased after the action has been modified and cleaned up. there are all sorts of theories about weakening the M98 by opening it up for H&H length cartridges. If the action is hard enough, you will not have luge set back and the action is plenty strong enough, even with the backside of the bottom lug cut back to fit the longer cartridge in it. Few folks realize how many actions are shot every day of the year with only ONE lug even making contact with its seat! There have been oodles of reams of paper (int he past) and uber-oodles of bandwidth used up debating the issue of "weakening" a M98 by fitting it for H&H length rounds. Lots of repeating of things that folks have read in magazines and on gun websites, but precious little first hand experience with gunmaking and engineering. Without going into the theories and real world experiences, I say with full confidence that your chosen .300 magnum will be just fine if built by a competent gunmaker and the action is properly heat treate If it is somehow possible, I would worry less than zero about eating up the throat of the rifle. There are all sorts of theories about what happens in the process of eating out the throat of a rifle. I am not going to even tattempt to wade into the issue of stress corrosion and what causes it. ANd yes, i said "stress corrosion" and not "erosion." they are two different things and few gun enthusiasts even know the difference. If you plan to shoot the rifle a lot and the shooting will be rapid (not a lot of barrel cool down time between groups) and you are seeking maximum barrel life, then go with a stainless steel tube. But damn, you would have to do some really hot and heavy shooting to stress corrode the the throat of the barrel faster than would be expected with the other .300's. So in summary, get the action, have the .300 H&H rifle built by a gompetent smith who has a style you like, and most importantly post some pics on AR so we can enjoy her with you! Good shooting! Skunk | |||
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If you're contemplating doing a LONG MAGNUM such as the 300H&H first read Jerry Kuhnhausens "The Mauser Bolt Actions". There are a few pictures of the grinding required to clear the cartridge for feeding. Page 86 has a very clear sectioned action with the grinding required and what is left over after the merry grinder gets his jollies, as far as recoil lug abutments are concerned. If that doesn't wake you up, then you are basically dumb as dirt and deserve what could happen....to put it bluntly...I don't care how many M98's had been butchered over the years. A commercial magnum bolt Mauser is another story, but a standard length 8,75" receiver length M98...No way would I even stand close to someone shooting one that was "magnumized". It also covers the modification of the bolt face. I don't claim to be a gunsmith or a machinist, just a wannabee welding engineer and I HAVE studied metalurgy as it relates to design of weldments, metal structures, problems encountered in weldments and design, heat treating, annealing etc. When I started reading through Jerr's book and saw the pictures plus readinhg couple of other Mauser rifle gunsmithing tomes, all thoughts of doing a long magnum cartridge in my VZ24 vanished instantly...as did mucking about with regrinding the bolthead to square it and handle a magnum case. The 9,3x63 I did is so close to a 375 H&H in ballistics I thought it totally stupid to screw about with "magnumizing" unless I had the bolt and receiver reheat treated...an added expense not required for a pickup queen. Just because a gunsmith has been gunsmithing for a long time doesn't mean he/she has the required knowledge...I cringe to remember some I have talked to and have done work for me over the years. Of course I wouldn't think of talking anyone out of doing what he/she must do and does all the time...get bull headed... You're absolutely right Mark about the one lug thing, I can't remember a receiver, Commercial OR military, I have ever had that was touching on both lugs until it was fitted...but if that one lug happens to be the bottom lug that is ground down to almost nothing and the inevitable happens, it will be the first go...if you want to see a similar picture take a look at a Savage receiver for a 375 H&H long magazine. Every time I think of doing a Lapua based 30, 338 or 375 barrel for one of my several LA Savage receivers I just take another look at that lug abutment...and the page of calculations I keep handy just for any lapse of memory. That little problem was addressed in the latest Savage 338 Lapua. The fact that not a lot of all the butcher jobs to M98 have come apart speaks volumes for the strength of the receiver AND the bolt and the same thing can be said of the receivers without the 3rd "lug". But there have been enough blowups to put a BIG question in my mind...even one blow up is one too many. But with todays cases I think it would behoove anyone interested in ANY conversion to keep the COAL within the confines of the 3.31" standard mag...there are a bunch of wildcats that will do the job from 6mm to 50 cal without getting lovey-dovey with a grinding tool. Luck | |||
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Jerry's book is good, but the picture you refer to is of a "butchered" action. No good smith would take that much out of the ramp. The list of gunsmiths who have been doing the long magnum conversions for decades without a hiccup is very long and includes some names that most all of us would recognize: Blackburn, Davenport, Wiebe, Burgess, etc. There have been thousands of long magnums in FN and Mark-X actions that employ the M98 pattern. I have never heard of a problem with these. The early Weatherbys were done on FN(M98 pattern) actions. With Weatherby's ultra high pressure there were problems(setback), but none of them blew-up or injured anyone as far as I know. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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IMO if you've never seen Mauser lug setback then you either are very lucky or else you haven't seen all that many Mausers up close & personal. I've rebarreled over 100 (but less than 200) and have seen it several times, each time I refused to finish the job. Once was a client, don't know what ultimately happened to that receiver, the other was mine and I scrapped it. Of course I've also seen it in Mauser actions belonging to other smiths. Have rebarreled about an equal number of 1903s, 1914/17s, Mannlichers, etc and other old ones and have never even HEARD of any lug setback with them. Like the Madam said to the Bishop, "You pays your money and you takes your choice!" I own and shoot more Mausers (8) than all other bolt rifles combined (4). Yes, they are definitely softer and therefore sometimes problematic, but they are also kinda like H-D motorcycles: even with all their faults and inferiorites, there still just AIN'T NOTHING ELSE LIKE 'EM! But again, like H-D motorcycles, if you're wanting the very best performance then IMO you'd better choose another product. Regards, Joe __________________________ You can lead a human to logic but you can't make him think. NRA Life since 1976. God bless America! | |||
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As I said...there are gunsmiths and there are gunsmiths. What you say is partially true, but the argument is full of basic faults...not to put too fine a point on it. The chicken the egg argument, personal opinion...no flame or diss intended...a view from a different perspective and no reflection on the abilities of a good smith OR receiver...and NO reflection on the qualities of the 300 H&H cartridge. My point is no matter how good the smith is he has to remove a certain amount of material from a point that should be left alone...a point where maximum strength is needed and is, basically, weakened. Everyone jumps up and down about the difference in "strength" in the "two' lug mauser models and the "three" lug variety...when a 'smith removes metal from the receiver to allow clearance for a long mauser you are, in effect, reducing the strenth of the receiver...making it, in effect, a two and a quarter or less lug receiver. It doesn't matter to me HOW many have been done, by who or whether or not they are still charging along without a hitch. After looking at that one picture and reading the recommendations of quite a few mauser "experts"...THEN carefully studying the VZ24 action I had in my hot little hands, I decided that safety was the best part of valor for my purposes...and should be for ANYONE wanting a Mauser conversion...that I could make use of at least 4 shorter cases that have been wildcated years ago or are new arrivals to the shooting scene, and several more I could redesign slightly and have the same or slightly more case capacity as the 300 H&H and would work without going postal with a grinder. I've been doing this "stuff" for half a century so I'm not a novice to the wildcatting scene, but I've only stood and watched up until about 20 years ago...learning but not questioning so much. My VZ24 conversion might have been my first mauser conversion, but it certainly wasn't the first receiver conversion I've done. I look at ANY conversion today from a totally different perspective, from 30 odd years of higher education and actual experience. I don't do things blindly just because that's the way it has been done for umpteem years. The only way I would accept that a conversion to a long magnum would be "safe" is by seeing stress analysis data done on several mauser receivers that had been coverted to a long magnum with a minimum amount of metal removal for functionality. So far I haven't come across such thing, but if you/anyone knows of some I would appreciate the link...it would settle a lot of questions for me and many others. Barring that there are just way to many ways to achieve simialr ballistics WITHOUT the use of milling/grinding. It still boils down to opinion...yours, mine and the one getting ready to do the dirty. Yours, mine and any others have only a small role to play. Rich has been around long enough to form his own "safe" opinion as to what he wants or will do. I have no doubt he will take your thoughts and opinions and mine, Mark's, J.D's, Matts and all the rest into consideration...PLUS many others before he starts on his project. Luck | |||
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StdM98 and Pre64s require similar mods to fit 300H&H, ie; metal removal from lug abutement(s)... try see if the long loaded Nolser 180AB custom ammo fits in a factory p64 3ooH&H.  | |||
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maybe contact Holland & Holland and ask if they have done such tests. Did Winchester do such tests when milling away the pre64..? H&H still persists with old std.M98 for long magnums. I believe they began with std.98 for lack of a proper magnum length, Rigby used commercial magnum length receivers in the 1920s'. Magnum mauser receivers were created for good sound logical reason. | |||
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I wonder why the Mauser´s vasted so much steel on their actions. | |||
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Well if the track record of the long magnum conversions doesn't convince you of their "safety", but one photo of a hacked receiver convinces you that they are unsafe, no amount of reason will change your mind. Food for thought: Rigby produced some 416 Rigbys on on standard 98 actions. These had to pass British proof testing. One of these rifles lived through decades of constant use, and 100s of rounds, in Africa and the barrel gave out but the receiver never has. And these Rigbys required .150" more metal to be removed than the H&H long magnums. I bet you're still not convinced....  Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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True, however orig. Rigby loads were about 42,ooo CUP. Whats the max. safe pressure that Selbys .416 can handle? De Haas reports FN factory H&H conversions as being ok, but mentions lug set back incidents with FN/Weatherby magnum factory rifles. Hypothetical: I have a new GMA std length mauser receiver originally purchased for the idea of buidling a 30/06 project, however considering instead a .30cal magnum, should I go .308norma or .300H&H? | |||
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Well, all i can say is FOOBAR's post is, well, FUBAR'd!!! | |||
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I agree. But from time to time we all hold onto irrational fears regardless of evidence that discredits our position. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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