The product is launched. Ruger confirmed today that they had already started the molds. The mold shoes are complete and we'll transmit the files within a few hours. Then they'll start burning in the cavities.

From this point forward, our reports will provide details on mold development and progress toward production castings.

Launch Date: 2/26/03: 301 units

MH1 - mh
CWM01 - cm
CWM02 - cm
Elkslayer - gm
R BRICKEY - rb
KG - kg
EPB-1937 - rb
EMA-1964 - rb
EAB-1965 - rb
Joe Ragno - jr
THMPR - bh
DavidAllen - da
EVDOKYIA - ph
William - ph
John - ph
JLB-03 - jb
HAMMER-03 - ah
01071992 - ts
325Montana - rr
NICK - kc
777 - kc
7777 - tw
DUMONT#1 - D1
Amy Rose - dga
300-WSM - ma
GLW111201 - gw
0001 - pe
0002 - pe
0003 - pe
0004 - tm
0005 - tm
0006 - ja
0007 - edh
0008 - edh
0009 - rp
0010 - ds
0011 - rs
0012 - gvb
0013 - lc
0014 - bh
0015 - bh
0016 - re
0017 - re
0018 - re
0019 - re
0020 - dt
0021 - dt
0022 - pc
0023 - ts
0024 - db
0025 - jm
0026 - hr
0027 - hr
0028 - js
0029 - tc
0030 - ps
0031 - ps
0032 - ps
0033 - ps
0034 - kc
0035 - ra
0036 - wc
0037 - jb
0038 - tb
0039 - jk
0040 - fd
0041 - ts
0042 - gm
0043 - kg
0044 - ps
0045 - ps
0046 - br
0047 - kb
0048 - kb
0049 - dg
0050 - sm
0051 - bg
0052 - bg
0053 - bw
0054 - hm
0055 - hm
0056 - rn
0057 - wh
0058 - ms
0059 - cb
0060 - de
0061 - ss
0062 - jc
0063 - db
0064 - db
0065 - bl
0066 - bl
0067 - mh
0068 - hs
0069 - hs
0070 - bb
0071 - bb
0072 - bb
0073 - bb
0074 - bb
0075 - bb
0076 - bb
0077 - bb
0078 - bb
0079 - bb
0080 - cf
0081 - hg
0082 - aa
0083 - aa
0084 - dh
0085 - dh
0086 - pt
0087 - gy
0088 - gm
0089 - sp
0090 - sp
0091 - rp
0092 - dw
0093 - do
0094 - mb
0095 - sm
0096 - agc
0097 - my
0098 - cm
0099 - cm
0100 - cm
0101 - cfg
0102 - cfg
0103 - mgs
0104 - mgs
0105 - bb
0106 - sb
0107 - sb
0108 - be
0109 - ccg
0110 - eh
0111 - mp
0112 - ra
0113 - th
0114 - th
0115 - bh
0116 - bh
0117 - kr
0118 - sp
0119 - ag
0120 - brg
0121 - brg
0122 - sr
0123 - md
0124 - hkcg
0125 - hkcg
0126 - gc
0127 - gc
0128 - re
0129 - tc
0130 - re
0131 - rr
0132 - ms
0133 - ms
0134 - ms
0135 - ga
0136 - kc
0137 - gy
0138 - tse
0139 - mc
0140 - fgs
0141 - dm
0142 - jw
0143 - jw
0144 - et
0145 - lb
0146 - lb
0147 - lb
0148 - lb
0149 - re
0150 - bt
0151 - gap
0152 - mm
0153 - skm
0154 - pr
0155 - ig
0156 - mg
0157 - mg
0158 - jt
0159 - fo
0160 - rm
0161 - bd
0162 - sl
0163 - mr
0164 - bd
0165 - dm
0166 - cm
0167 - cg
0168 - cg
0169 - dp
0170 - kg
0171 - cm
0172 - cm
0173 - rn
0174 - nb
0175 - ks
0176 - ms
0177 - ms
0178 - bm
0179 - bm
0180 - bm
0181 - cp
0182 - ch
0183 - ch
0184 - fa
0185 - wg
0186 - jf
0187 - bj
0188 - bj
0189 - bj
0190 - tg
0191 - eg
0192 - kc
0193 - rm
0194 - ggw
0195 - rt
0196 - rt
0197 - rn
0198 - bp
0199 - bp
0200 - jy
0201 - jz
0202 - jr
0203 - gp
0204 - gp
0205 - ggw
0206 - db
0207 - sc
0208 - gs
0209 - jf
0210 - frw
0211 - upt
0212 - ms
0213 - ms
0214 - jf
0215 - bm
0216 - nj
0217 - jm
0218 - gh
0219 - kcg
0220 - jb
0221 - gm
0222 - tc
0223 - jcg
0224 - jcg
0225 - jcg
0226 - lc
0227 - lc
0228 - lc
0229 - sw
0230 - sff
0231 - cj
0232 - gt
0233 - dj
0234 - dj
0235 - dj
0236 - dj
0237 - ck
0238 - ck
0239 - ck
0240 - cp
0241 - cp
0243 - sb
0244 - vs
0245 - vs

0250 - rg

0257 - jh
0258 - jh

0260 - jt

0275 - rf

0284 - js

0290 - rr

0299 - ccg
0300 - ccg
0301 - je
0302 - je

0308 - gb

0322 - pc

0328 - rd

0338 - bh

0345 - cj

0348 - gm
0349 - gm
0350 - ph

0358 - jr

0399 - ccg
0400 - ccg

0416 - mk

0428 - rb

0469 - cj

0490 - sd
0491 - sd

0499 - ccg
0500 - ccg

0600 - mk

Sounds like we might get an early Christmas in July this year....way to go guys.

Wow, that is well over 100K worth of business for the short actions alone - in less than 2 months, albeit at a super price. You have a commercial winner here guys!

AR participants have been a large part of getting this program on the road. Now all we have to do is wait just a "tad" longer... Tick, tick, tick...

- mike

HURRY ROD! I can't stand the wait!

Is it morning yet? Did Santa come? I can wait. I know I can wait. I'm an adult and I can wait! I'm waiting!!!! I don't want to wait!!

Rod,

Got a question about the Long Action M1999. Is it big enough for the 460 Weatherby? Can you set one up in this cartridge? What is it's magazine lenght and bolt diameter? Thanks for the info.

Sounding better all the time. Now I just cannot decide on what caliber,,still leaning towards 338 WSM.

At this point I think my M 1999 WSM will be a .300. I thought about the .338 but it's not standard yet and even if it was I don't see what I would shoot with it where it would make any big difference except for targets. And for targets the .30 caliber bullets not only cost less but there is so much variety.

Congratulations!

Now time for the magnum action...

Rod, are all these SA's right handed or are some of them lefts?

Number 181 is preordained to become a .350 Rem. Mag. CP.

PostDriver, some of these are left handed because #0159 is going to be a left handed 22-250.

Some folks have confused our starting the molds with thinking the Charter is closed. It's not. It goes to 600, we just need the first 300 to order the molds.

This charter offer is for both LH & RH.

The Long Action has a 3.650 internal magazine box and the bolt is .700. An enterprising gunsmith might be able to open the bolt face up to .590 and extend the mag well (and fabricate a new box) to get the .460 Weatherby into this action.

Rod...what's the size of the bolt for the short-actions? ....as I recall it was larger than 0.700".

Rod

After seeing what you folks have done with a hunting action, is there any chance you could make a reasonably priced single shot bolt action for building benchrest rifles? Seems like a single shot should be a breeze to engineer after working out the bugs in the 1999. I was looking at the CG milinium action on Sinclaire's websight and though you guys should be able to do that and and less than their $1000 price!

Bill: the bolt on the short is nothing but a shortened long bolt. Same everything, everywhere, except a half-inch cut out of the bolt between the rear edge of the second vent opening and the front edge of the bolt handle.

cgdavid: We talked about this at the shot show with a number of folks. Here's our current thinking on a possible solution. For the single-shot, the BOM (bill-of-materials) would lose the bottom metal, the follower, the follower spring and the magazine box. In place, we would engineer a snug fitting plug (alloy tbd - but probably aluminum for weight) that fits the well and includes a channel just below the bolt bore. The bottom surface of the plug would be flush with the receiver bottom and be retained by the stock when the action is bedded. We could mill out a huge channel lengthwise along the bottom to lighten it further. The upper (cylindrical) channel would completely clear the bolt when cycling, but position a cartridge laying on the channel for perfect feeding. This would NOT be a CRF solution, but the claw extractor snaps over the rim with little effort and is well-known for its excellent extraction. The standing ejector would work as in magazine-fed actions.

The idea is avoid modifying the receiver. This way it retains its value and flexibility for future projects and we don't have to carry excessive inventory (expensive) or design new tool paths (really expensive).

For any other comments or suggestions, let's start a new thread called the M1999 Single-shot.

[ 03-04-2003, 06:24: Message edited by: Rod@MRC ]

I have a m1999 short in the magnum bolt face on order. Any suggestions for custom bottom metal that would fit. What about the blackburn? It will be chambered in 7wsm. Will the magazine box width or length present problems?

Rod,
What are the dimensions of the short action receiver? What size barrel shank and how many tpi, and depth of threaded section?

jpndave: You didn't think we'd ship the Short Action without bottom metal did you? It comes with a one piece (two guard screws) hinged floorplate design that fits just perfectly. You'll like it.

SST: There's about 2000 dimensions, but the one's that count are: Bolt diameter = nominally .700. Magazine internal length = 3.150. Receiver ring = 1.350dia with 1.00 V16 threads .750 LE. Weight about 40oz with bottom metal. Similar footprint to M70 short action, exact same guard screw positions. If you need more give us a call or post the questions here.

Rod-

I would imagine that the action screws on the M1999 are slotted head screws.

Have you given any thought to adding some hex head screws as an option?

Just a thought.

Best regards,

I would like Nylock guard screws. A Nylock screw has a peg of nylon inserted into the screw in the threads and makes the screw resist loosening. It would be a nice touch.

Hey Rod, How will the standard short action work with the new WSSM cartridges? I'm seriously considering chambering mine in 223 WSSM. Will the magazine work with this or will I have to add a spacer to take up some room?
BTW, I get to post st all of the odd hours now because I'm in China this week. I can't find a gun shop here, strange isn't it?

[ 03-14-2003, 15:39: Message edited by: Fjold ]

A nylock guard screw isn't the dumbest idea but it's entering the realm! Imagine how much fun those would be when glass bedding for instance. I'm not a real fan of the allen head screw either. An allen head requires that you have the correct wrench on hand. This is not always the case in the field. With a slotted screw you can make do. Slotted screws are "right" for a classic hunter. I guesss for stainless actions allen heads would be ok since these are unorthodox anyway!
For myself, I'm not going to nitpick. I'm just thrilled the actions are going to be available. Regards, Bill

What have Nylock screws got to do with glass bedding? How many people glass bed stocks vrs those that have to check the screws all of the time. Anyway I made a set of screws that have a double head on them for stock work. That's what you should use anyway. Maybe Brownells sells something for that.

My stock work screws are not Nylock!

Savage 99

"Nylock screws" are designed to be used to reduce vibration induced loosening. They are usually only recommeded for "single use" and should be replaced each time the fastener is cycled. Rifles, even automatic weapons, do not vibrate like a machine, and are not subject to the type of fastener failure these would help. Bottom metal screws are not an appropriate place for this type of fastener.

Bed your action correctly and tighten to somewhere in the "tight but not head twisting range" and machine screws will not fail to hold.
Tastes may vary, but there is no mechanical reason favoring one head style over another. I like slots.

Roger

"When you find yourself in a hole, first you stop digging" Will Rogers

Nylock screws can be reused and rifles have vibration. Why are my stock screws coming loose?

Answer: Vibration.

www.nylok.com

[ 03-15-2003, 05:43: Message edited by: Savage99 ]

To be technically correct, the nylock screws are not intended to be reused, but if I had a nickle for everytime that I have reused them with no appreciable amount malfunction, I'd be drinking more wine and less beer

The idea of the Nylock screw is not really that bad of an idea, but the same thing can be accomplished with threadlocker on a standard machine screw.

One other note. If your rifle, be it the barrel, action, or stock doesn't vibrate, why do we glass bed actions, and freefloat barrels

Unfortunately, I think there is too much time spent on this board putting down others opinions, rather than analyzing facts. It's easier to personally critize someone than to have an intelligent debate. This board has turned into a pissing contest on most every issue brought up, rather than an intelligent debate of facts and experience. Sad to see, considering the wealth of knowledge that frequents this board.

Matt,

I try to be on my best behavior here.

I wonder if I must become so slick that everyone says "I don't agree with you but your a nice guy"

I don't need that response but you make a valid point that the greatest interest here is intellectual and problem solving not just making conversation.

"Nylock screws can be reused and rifles have vibration." You CAN do whatever you want. "Nylock fasteners" are designed to be single use. Check with your local fastener shop or contact the makers.

Machine screws do not fail because of vibration, and certainly gun screws are not subject to vibration (aka rhythmic harmonics). They loosen if the screws stretch repeatedly. If the action is bedded properly, the screws only hold the bottom metal up to the action. If not bedded properly, the action flexes with recoil, and the recoil force is taken up by the screws, they stretch and will fail. Screws made of good steel will last longer, but any fastener will fail if subject to repeated stretch beyond design limits. If the recoil forces are transmitted through the recoil lug, and not through the screws, and if the action is bedded evenly, no significant stretch occurs. No amount of glue (locktite) or "antivibration plastic" (Nylock concept) will prevent this failure. These products delay failure due to repetative harmonic vibration. This is a pretty basic mechanical concept.

In contrast, sight bases are often designed so the screws take up the recoil forces, stretch, and by design are waiting to fail. That they don't more often is a testiment to the toughness of the steel used, not to proper design.

Redfield had an old design that had an integral recoil lug on the front. A pain to fit properly, but a great base.

I stocked by first rifle in 1962, and have yet find loose screws on a properly bedded bolt gun. If as you suggest your screws are loose, you should fix your action bedding, or take the guns to someone who is familiar with basic stockmaking principles.

Roger

NRA Life Member since 1966.

Roger,

Not only are you wrong but you have not read the Nylok site.

Go and do what you want.

Fjold: Hold tight on the .223 WSSM. We started CAD on the M1999 Super-Short today. Should take only four or five days to turn a M1999 SA into a super short.

Then firing pins, bottom metal, followers, mag boxes, and alas, a new mag spring. Hopefully the tooling for the LA/SA spring will work here. Haven't checked the extractor either. Those two items are expensive tooling-wise.

Slotted screws will always be shipped with the M1999 because it's the universal solution. The poorest idea I've seen just lately is phillips head guard screws.

Launch Date: 2/26/03:

First Wax run expected week of 21-April-2003
Initial castings 10-14 days later. We expect at least
one mold-tuning iteration before the castings are useable.

As of 3/14/03: 336 units sold � 264 left in charter program

MH1 - mh
CWM01 - cm
CWM02 - cm
Elkslayer - gm
R BRICKEY - rb
KG - kg
EPB -1937 - rb
EMA -1964 - rb
EAB -1965 - rb
Joe Ragno - jr
THMPR - bh
KJB062201 - mb
JLB -03 - jb
HAMMER -03 - ah
01071992 - ts
325 Montana - rr
NICK - kc
777 - kc
7777 - tw
DUMONT#1 - D1
Amy Rose - dga
300 -WSM - ma
GLW111201 - gw
7mm -08 REM - ma
7mm -WSM - ma
042864 - rb
TGS001 - ts
JCG01 - jcg
JCG02 - jcg
JCG03 - kcg
0001 - pe
0002 - pe
0003 - pe
0004 - tm
0005 - tm
0006 - ja
0007 - edh
0008 - de
0009 - rp
0010 - ds
0011 - rs
0012 - gvb
0013 - lc
0014 - bh
0015 - bh
0016 - re
0017 - re
0018 - re
0019 - re
0020 - dt
0021 - dt
0022 - pc
0023 - ts
0024 - db
0025 - jm
0026 - hr
0027 - hr
0028 - js
0029 - tc
0030 - ps
0031 - ps
0032 - ps
0033 - ps
0034 - kc
0035 - ra
0036 - wc
0037 - jb
0038 - tb
0039 - jk
0040 - fd
0041 - ts
0042 - gm
0043 - kg
0044 - ps
0045 - db
0046 - br
0047 - kb
0048 - kb
0049 - dg
0050 - sm
0051 - bg
0052 - bg
0053 - bw
0054 - hm
0055 - hm
0056 - rn
0057 - wh
0058 - ms
0059 - cb
0060 - de
0061 - ss
0062 - jc
0063 - db
0064 - db
0065 - bl
0066 - bl
0067 - rk
0068 - hs
0069 - hs
0070 - bb
0071 - bb
0072 - bb
0073 - bb
0074 - bb
0075 - bb
0076 - bb
0077 - bb
0078 - bb
0079 - bb
0080 - cf
0081 - hg
0082 - aa
0083 - aa
0084 - dh
0085 - dh
0086 - pt
0087 - gy
0088 - gm
0089 - sp
0090 - sp
0091 - rp
0092 - dw
0093 - do
0094 - ps
0095 - sm
0096 - agc
0097 - my
0098 - cm
0099 - cm
0100 - cm
0101 - cfg
0102 - cfg
0103 - mgs
0104 - mgs
0105 - bb
0106 - sb
0107 - sb
0108 - be
0109 - ccg
0110 - eh
0111 - mp
0112 - ra
0113 - th
0114 - th
0115 - bh
0116 - bh
0117 - kr
0118 - sp
0119 - ag
0120 - brg
0121 - brg
0122 - sr
0123 - md
0124 - hkcg
0125 - hkcg
0126 - gc
0127 - gc
0128 - re
0129 - tc
0130 - re
0131 - rr
0132 - ms
0133 - ms
0134 - gm
0135 - ga
0136 - kc
0137 - gy
0138 - tse
0139 - mc
0140 - fgs
0141 - dm
0142 - jw
0143 - jw
0144 - et
0145 - lb
0146 - lb
0147 - lb
0148 - lb
0149 - re
0150 - bt
0151 - gap
0152 - mm
0153 - skm
0154 - pr
0155 - ig
0156 - mg
0157 - mg
0158 - jt
0159 - fo
0160 - rm
0161 - bd
0162 - sl
0163 - mr
0164 - db
0165 - dm
0166 - cm
0167 - cg
0168 - cg
0169 - dp
0170 - kg
0171 - cm
0172 - cm
0173 - rn
0174 - nb
0175 - ks
0176 - pt
0177 - sp
0178 - bm
0179 - bm
0180 - bm
0181 - cp
0182 - ch
0183 - ch
0184 - fa
0185 - wg
0186 - jf
0187 - bj
0188 - bj
0189 - bj
0190 - tg
0191 - eg
0192 - kc
0193 - rm
0194 - ggw
0195 - rt
0196 - rt
0197 - rn
0198 - bp
0199 - bp
0200 - jy
0201 - jz
0202 - jd
0203 - gp
0204 - gp
0205 - ggw
0206 - db
0207 - sc
0208 - gs
0209 - jf
0210 - frw
0211 - upt
0212 - ms
0213 - ms
0214 - jf
0215 - bm
0216 - nj
0217 - jm
0218 - gh
0219 - kcg
0220 - jb
0221 - gm
0222 - tc
0223 - rp
0224 - rlc
0225 - rlc
0226 - lc
0227 - lc
0228 - lc
0229 - sw
0230 - jb
0231 - db
0232 - gt
0233 - dj
0234 - dj
0235 - dj
0236 - dj
0237 - ck
0238 - ck
0239 - ck
0240 - cp
0241 - cp
0243 - sb
0244 - vs
0245 - vs
0246 - da
0247 - sc
0248 - sc
0249 - sc
0250 - rg
0251 - jb
0252 - rd
0253 - rd
0254 - tm
0255 - sff
0256 - sff
0257 - jh
0258 - jh
0259 - rr
0260 - jt
0261 - mr
0262 - mr
0263 - brg
0264 - gm
0265 - gy
0266 - rb
0267 - rb
0268 - rb
0269 - rb
0270 - cj
0271 - ah
0272 - ai
0273 - ps
0274 - ea
0275 - rf
0276 - lv
0277 - rp
0278 - rp
0279 - mh
0280 - mh
0281 - gp
0282 - dw
0283 - ms
0284 - js

0290 - rr

0299 - ccg
0300 - ccg
0301 - je
0302 - je

0308 - gb

0322 - pc

0328 - rd

0338 - bh

0345 - cj

0358 - jr

0399 - ccg
0400 - ccg

0416 - mk

0428 - rb

0469 - cj

0490 - sd
0491 - sd

0499 - ccg
0500 - ccg

0600 - mk

0762 - gm

Rod,

When are you going to want us to start sending in FFL's for shipping the short actions?

Speedy: at your conveniance. We keep them on file. Just don't wait too long after July 1st.

Rod

July 1st!

Christmas in July really sucks!

Have you thought about adding an extra shift?

I can wait! I have other rifles to shoot so I can wait! There's lots of things to do to take my mind off waiting so waiting isn't so bad.

Rod,
How can a Canuck get one of your actions? Who is importing them into Canada, if anyone?

John send me your number at chuck.nelson@uleth.ca, might be able to help you out.

Chuck

Rod,

I have bin in contact with the Norwegian gunsmith Kjell A. Tonheim. He told me that he was working to get M1999 actions to Norway, just some export permissions work to be done.

If I order thru him would it be possible to get a RH short action shipped to Norway? With unique serial numbers B03-Tomjac

When would you expect the shipment for the RH SA?

[ 03-20-2003, 16:52: Message edited by: Tomjac ]

Tomjac:

I spoke with Kjell at length yesterday and he will send his import papers a soon as he has them. Product will start to flow to us in mid-July and we'll ship as quickly as we can assemble, engrave, & proof. We're set up with the State department as an exporter now, but haven't processed any import papers as yet. Until we do, I'm not sure what the turnaround time is for approval.

About an hour before I Also spoke with another Norwegian who is having his M1999 rifle built by Pers Arne Vaagsland. Kjell knows him and said that makes two of the four famous gunsmiths in Norway building M1999 rifles.

50% market penetration! What manufacturer wouldn't like that.

[ 03-20-2003, 21:21: Message edited by: Rod@MRC ]

Why don't you take some of these righthanded short actions and pretend they are left handed so we can get those lefty's underway.

Chuck