I was wondering if the Gentry 3-poation safety for a Mauser 98 would work on a Husqvarna HVA action? Thanks for any help that can be provided!

With regards,
Chris

Good question. Give him a call & ask. Personally I much prefer the Dakota over the Gentry, better quality.

Gentlemen

Ed Lapour gunsmithing advertices three position safeties for Swedish 94/96 models and quite a few other models.

Cheers
/JOHAN

Jim Kobe does a nice 2 position for $125 using your shroud.

quote:

Originally posted by D Humbarger:
Good question. Give him a call & ask. Personally I much prefer the Dakota over the Gentry, better quality.

Ditto the Dakota on the HVA. Those made
by Ed LaPour would be fine, especially on
large ring mausers. I know, I have 3.

The Dakota is plenty stout enough but a little
more suited to small ring actions. It was
originally made for the Pete Grisel small ring
mauser.

Put a 2 postion safety on an HVA once. Worked fine but the Dakota 3 position will do a better job, and look better.

Depends if the HVZ is a 96 or a 98.

Don,
i am a little confused on your distiction between a large and small ring 98 (excluding 96s, etc)

that is, of course, assuming you meant small ring 98.

the rear of the action is identical in either case, though I could see something in proportioning due to lengh

can you clear that up for me?

jeffe

It can be confusing with the HVA action. Technically it is the 1640 series and its an improved '94, not a modified 98 and not to be confused with the "Strengthened" 640 action. It was their first in-house bolt action design.

I'll quote Pettson for the expalanation:

"This action is often referred to as the "HVA improved Mauser action", whereupon some criticise that statement claiming it is not improved upon at all compared to the 98 Mauser.
Right, it is not. I don't know where this originally came from, a faulty translation somewhere, an unknowing foreign marketing department, or perhaps simply a misunderstanding.
It is my understanding and belief that this action is indeed in most departments an improvement... On the m/94 Swedish Mauser action!
The thing is this; In the original Swedish brochures and catalogues, HVA refers to it simply as the "improved Army Mauser action". Now if you have spent any time in Sweden or with the Swedes, you'll know that to the average hunter, shooter, military man, and even to the not-so-interested man in the street, an "Army Mauser" IS an m/96 Swede. Since 1927, when HVA first introduced it in their model 46, it has been by far the most common Mauser action in use in Sweden, outnumbering the m/98 by an immeasurable amount. This despite HVA's own use of the FN 98 for a couple of years. Moreover, note that with the 1600 action being a small ring action, it is also physically more similar to the m/94 than the m/98. Just add a cock-on-closing feature."

What is confusing is the shroud and bolt handle style were borrowed from the FN '98 actions they used on the previous 640 series rifles.
Because of this, at a casual glance it looks like a small ring 98.

Lok at the bolt pictures top and especially bottom on the page here and you can see what he means.

There are two distinct HVA actions.

The M96-M38 two lug military actions and the scarce commerical actions using the same bolt.

Then there is the 3000 - 4000 type Improved Mauser action of the 1950's - 60's which has the M98 two front lugs and the third safety lug and a side safety on the rear tang.

Now about M70 three position safeies for them.

The M96 type action, the only one making them is Ed LaPour.

The Improved action. Well this poses a problem as there is TWO DIFFERENCES between the HVA sleeve vs a MAUSER 98 sleeve.

One, the thread diameter is .015" larger on the HVA vs the M98, also the thread indexing is off by about .010"

Two, the sleeve lock plunger hole is not as deep as the M98.

So a M98 safety can be fitted but it will be sloppy.

Check with Ed LaPour as once he gets the M98 three postion safties worked out he may make some for the HVA.

Jim Wisner
Custom Metalsmith

Thanks for all the replies. Would it be a better bet to use a two-postion M-70 type safety made for a Mauser 98?

J Wisner used to machine model 70 style bolt shrouds for the HVA/1640/Husqvaran improved mauser action (along with other parts), so he would be the authority on the subject. I have some of his parts, and he does excellent work.

I believe Ed Lapour purchased all of Wisners tooling for those safety/shrouds.

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Originally posted by Don Slater:

quote:

Originally posted by D Humbarger:
Good question. Give him a call & ask. Personally I much prefer the Dakota over the Gentry, better quality.

Ditto the Dakota on the HVA. Those made
by Ed LaPour would be fine, especially on
large ring mausers. I know, I have 3.

The Dakota is plenty stout enough but a little
more suited to small ring actions. It was
originally made for the Pete Grisel small ring
mauser.

Put a 2 postion safety on an HVA once. Worked fine but the Dakota 3 position will do a better job, and look better.

Jeff, I'll try to clarify my thinking, which I
did not convey well.

The HVA (HVZ???) mauser I had was the 98 like
improved model, 3d safety lug and all. I
bought it as an action, so all I know is
HVA. Said so on the side: HVA ACTION Made in Sweden.
It was just like a small ring 98, with the exception of the bolt stop/ejector.

TO MY EYE (opinion only) a small ring 98
looks more dainty, or svelte than a 98 large ring. The Dakota 3 position safety is not
as "beefy" or stout as the LaPour/Wisner
safety.

So in my mind I was saying that the more dainty
Dakota would (in my opinion) look better on
the HVA small ring improved 96 mauser. Even more so without that big blocky bolt stop/ejector assy. And , to me, a 3 position safety is higher in quality than a 2 position safety.

All of my three 3 position Wisner safeties are on large ring 98 mausers and look better
(to me) than would the Dakota model.

My feminine side must have come out, and I
was matching safety size to my mausers! If
only one safety were available....I'd take
the Wisner/Lapour!

The two position side swing safety I used on my
own HVA, which I fitted with a barrel having the
Winchester featherweight barrel contour, looked
larger than necessary, especially when compared to the original smooth gas sheild.

My thinking was, since I now know I prefer a
three position safety over the two position safety, I'd opt for the svelte Dakota brand
for the streamlined HVA.

Nothing important. Just matching shoes to the suit? And it was just an opinion!

As for the pre 98 small ring actions. There are far too many quality 98 actions, large or small, available that I err in my thinking quite often when speaking of actions because I would not use them for anything other than a paper weight. Again, just my opinion.

So, in MY mind when I speak of small ring or large ring mausers, I always mean the 98!
An error in communication to be sure!

Now guys, please don't be offended. Like the
pre-98 if you must, and it is your right, but
I just won't put real money on a claim-race horse!

What can I say,I'm a cheap SOB and want the most I can get for the money I spend!

Don,
thanks much.. that's along the lines (pun intended) i was thinking!!
jeffe

You are quite welcome, Jeff.