Quick question for the group. I have noticed that some of the VZ24's have a lion crest on the receiver ring with the name of the plant and the designation VZ.24 on the left rail. Others have CESKOSLOVENSKA ZBROJOVKA BRNO on the receiver ring and just a large VZ.24 on the rail. My question is, which version was made earlier? Which version is considered to be better in quality? Thanks!

Too much knowledge on this Forum not to have an answer to this question . . . anyone?

i think CZ is made earlier than VZ.. but I might have that backwards.

z1r?
jeffe

I printed out a critique of the different mausers actions writen by Jack Belk about 5 years ago.

He stated that "the 'banner' style VZ24s are much better than the rampant lions crested ones".

He had a nice paragraph about the heat treating myths also.

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Originally posted by GSP7:
I printed out a critique of the different mausers actions writen by Jack Belk about 5 years ago.

He stated that "the 'banner' style VZ24s are much better than the rampant lions crested ones".

He had a nice paragraph about the heat treating miths also.

GSP7, can you print the heat treating myths for us?

Both those receivers could have been made at roughly the same time period. The Rampant lion pre-dates the other which was likely a Romanian contract that was scrubbed of the crest. Does it have an "R" in the serial number?

The earliest VZ24's had much teh same markings as the 98/22's. Then the lion crest. Then various export models.

The ones that are considered slightly less desirable are those marked Zbrojovka Brno, A.S. vz24. They were made AFTER the german occupation. Why they are considered less desirable is beyond me when you consider that all the G33/40's were also made then.

Those made in the middle to late 30's are usually considered the best.

Receiver ring says:

CESKOSLOVENSKA
ZBROJOVKA
=BRNO=

Left rail:

VZ.24.

Left side of the receiver ring:

E [small lion stamp] 36
5045 J3

Sorry, My reading comprehension ain't what it used to be. That would be one of the earlier ones but made in the "right" time period.

Excellent. It really looked nice, but I must admit that I was winging it since I really I had no idea what these markings meant.

Thanks for the information and the help in sorting this out.

Mike

The E lion 36 means that it was accepted by the Czech army in 1936 and was probably made in that year also. If you can get your hands on a copy of Robert Ball's book "Mauser Military Rifles of the World" He eplains a lot about those and other mausers.

Rad

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Originally posted by GSP7:
I printed out a critique of the different mausers actions writen by Jack Belk about 5 years ago.

He stated that "the 'banner' style VZ24s are much better than the rampant lions crested ones".

He had a nice paragraph about the heat treating myths also.

Its kinda funny how people get hung up on VZ 24's I recently seen these sell here that had scrubbed recievers, mild pitting which BTW creates extra work or a thing to fix for near $200, because metal has been removed from the very area you wanna mount scope bases to! when I advertise a complete 98/22 with no pitting and can't get any interest. maybe I should just stamp VZ 24 on my action and the value will go up

Well, in all fairness, nice as the 98/22's are, the vz24's are better.

you got a 98/22 you wanna sell?

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Originally posted by z1r:
Well, in all fairness, nice as the 98/22's are, the vz24's are better.

you got a 98/22 you wanna sell?

why is a 98/22 not as desirable as a VZ 24 that has pitting and a scubbed crest?? The 98/22's are the same action as a VZ 24 the complete rifles are just configed differently, in fact 98/22's are much more likely to be in orginal shape where as most VZ 24's have been messed with by someone in the rearsenal phase which included among other things commies feeling a little insecure and srubbing crests. I am still waiting for someone to tell me why a 98/22 is not just as good if not better than a VZ 24, if you ask me the reason is less people have heard of a 98/22. Yeah I got one I would let go, but I want the going price of VZ 24 actions for my com9plete rifle, because until otherwise proven wrong I feel its worth that

The 98/22 is a good action and very nearly the same as a vz24. But a VZ24 in like condition will be worth more. Why, because it is better, more refined, and had all the heat treat bugs worked out.

As always, every action should be judged by what it IS not what it WAS. Obviously a pitted action is less desirable than a non pitted action. Similarly, a badly scrubbed action could be worthless. But one that was done with care can be every bit as good as one that wasn't scrubbed. Most folks, with a few exceptions, will have their actions surface ground anyway.

Hang on to that 98/22 in five years it'll be worth three times what it is today. But a similar vz24 will be worth more.

I can possibly buy the heat treat argument although I have seen no evidence of that, but as to the 98/22 if we are only comparing actions only they are the same! the VZ 24 is only refined in its complete rifle form, the 2 actions are interchangeable.

No, those 98/22's are junk. Better send it to me so I can dispose of it properly for you.

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Originally posted by cummins cowboy:
I can possibly buy the heat treat argument although I have seen no evidence of that, but as to the 98/22 if we are only comparing actions only they are the same! the VZ 24 is only refined in its complete rifle form, the 2 actions are interchangeable.

Dimensions do not an action make. One must consider steel & heat treatment also when evaluating an action. Only when these too are the same can one make the statement that two dimensionally similar actions are the same.

What evidence to you have to suggest that the heat treatment is the same on both?

Czech steel from that era is good stuff.

What era ? before ww2 . Is the G.24 (t) made from
same steel. Does it have harding issue of 98/22

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Originally posted by crafish:
What era ? before ww2 . Is the G.24 (t) made from
same steel. Does it have harding issue of 98/22

The 98/22 doesn't have issues it's just that the vz24 is better, that's all. The G24 would be the same as the vz24 but carries with it the stigma of being wartime production. Then again so does the g33/40 and no one thinks twice about buying one.

Just to put some minds at ease, I'm building an 8x68S on a 98/22. I would have used a vz24 but none of the ones I had were as clean as the 98/22. I would gladly have traded that 98/22 for a vz24 in similar condition but alas none were available. Am I going to loose any sleep over it, NO!

z1r,

How does this VZ24 look?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=63316486

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Originally posted by MJines:
z1r,

How does this VZ24 look?

Pretty effin nice!