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Do any of you have problems with sanding and checker dust? I have been trying to make up a Mexican 98 7X57 for myself and the same old thing happened. Every time I start sanding or checkering the sinus starts to pour. This time a full blown stop up!!! Only one more stock that I started several years ago and it will be my last. Time to stop..
 
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I'd never heard of it, but there are several pages on the internet about allergic reactions to walnut dust, so you're not alone. Have you tried a dust mask?
 
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I've worked with black walnut for 40 years and have often been told that the dust should not be inhaled as it can be toxic.....well...maybe but it don't seem to effect everyone the same.

I've also been warned about inhaling dust from ebony and cocobolo.....again it hasn't bothered me.

Wear a mask and see if it helps.....if that don't work send the stock out for checkering.

Bill Sovern does fine work and might be available.


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Only one more stock that I started several years ago and it will be my last. Time to stop..


Les,
man, it breaks my heart to hear that...

black, yes, sometimes i get stuffed up, not just from dust (bogger-crete), but from alergies. english and turkish seem to be better, but still not wonderful.

jana has me wearing 1/2 face or at least paper dusters when I am turning and sanding

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Jeffe, as you know I have been at this too long. The is my 50th year making stocks. Over time it build in ones system to cause reactions. So much of things we gunsmiths use are poison to the body.

I have used dust masks, but this time I didn't. Here is a picture of my checkering tools with the air blowing away from the user.

 
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Les,
you are kind of a hero around here... please don't go quiting making stocks...

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Myabe you need to use vacume rather than air pressure in them hoses on the checkering tools.

I got allergies real bad a few years ago to where my nose would run almost continuously. Seen a nose doctor and he did surgery on me, cleaned out my sinus cavities and fixed a deviated septum, and the problems went away. Might be worth checking with a good nose doc.

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You need a really good respirator and a really good dust collector .An allergist may be able to help with desensitization treatments.
 
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the guy who taught me how to forge knives and make Damascus would have bad reactions to it. I think it is on a case by case basis. I never have had a problem with it, but I sure do HATE the way it smells!!!
 
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and Cocabola would really set him off. I know it is toxic to everyone, but this guy had really bad reactions to it. The more I think about it, maybe he was just allergic to trees or something
 
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Black, claro, and bastogne have all caused me sneezing fits from time to time. Thin shell walnut has never been an issue.
 
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Alaskan yellow Cedar sawdust attacks my nose like snorting Bon Ami cleaner.

Douglas Fir slivers under my skin make a burning sensation like holy water on Linda Blair.

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In 15 minutes of use, this disc sander filled a shop's atmosphere with a cup of powdery dust, the size that can negotiate your lung's smallest airways. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) recommends that your short-term exposure limit (STEL) be less than one rounded teaspoon of dust in a 24-ft. by 24-ft. shop in 15 minutes. OSHA's permissible exposure limit (PEI) for an eight hour shift is about one-half of a teaspoon of dust suspended continuously in the same shop's atmosphere.

What serious woodworker doesn't know the pleasure of wiping a delicate film of very fine dust off a well-waxed jointer bed? I like reaching into a tablesaw base and spilling out arm loads of wood dust onto my knees and the surrounding floor. In fact, I don't mind dust in my hair, in my beard and in my pockets. And I've not only come to love the feel and sight of wood dust, but the satisfying aroma as well. I was first tempted to start woodworking when my best friend built a cedar porch swing for me-the air in his shop was filled with the rich scent of the wood. Since then, I've built my own shop and filled the air with dust from a dozen different woods, including sassafras, walnut, redwood, mahogany, teak, cherry, maple, oak and poplar.

Yes, the woodworker in me enjoys wood dust, but the doctor in me is suspicious because the dust so often irritates my eyes and lungs. My concerns led me to the hospital library to research woodworking's effects on the respiratory system. What I found was both surprising and a little disconcerting. A computer search of medical literature revealed more than 250 articles pertaining to the hazards of woodworking. The articles covered a wide range of problems, including traumatic injuries, skin disorders and cancer associations, but most dealt with how wood dust inhalation affects the lungs.

How much dust is harmful? - Wood comes off tools in many different shapes and sizes, including broad, flat shavings; long, thin splinters; small chips; and coarse and fine powdery dust, such as that produced by the disc sander shown above. Hand-sanding produces fine dust. But power sanders, the big guns in the sanding arsenal, are the tools most responsible for creating lingering dust clouds in the shop. Powdery dust consists of the smallest particles and represents the greatest health hazard to the lungs. This fine powdery dust not only floats in the air for a long time, but it can be inhaled very deeply.

Dust particles can be classified into two groups: those smaller than 10 microns in diameter and those larger than 10 microns (one micron equals one millionth of a meter). The smaller particles are respirable: they are little enough to negotiate the tiny airways that reach deep into the lungs. Particles bigger than 10 microns tend to get trapped in the larger airways.

Wood dust, as inviting as it may be, is no friend to the woodworker. Given the fact that most of us are not going to sacrifice woodworking to save our respiratory system, the question arises: How much wood dust is too much? Two variables that must be considered are the amount of dust you breathe and how long you breathe it. If you spend just a few hours per week in the shop or if you work mainly on small projects that do not demand much sawing and sanding, you probably do not have to worry about bronchitis, pneumonia or nose cancer. If, however, you spend long hours on big projects that require extensive ripping and sanding, you should be cautious, especially in light of the small amount of dust that researchers and government regulators say is the threshold limit for ambient dust (beyond which lung disease begins to develop).

According to a 1981 report published by the American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists, the maximum level of airborne respirable particles should average no more than five milligrams of dust per cubic meter of shop space in eight hours. Other studies suggest that this level is too high and recommend a maximum of two milligrams of dust per cubic meter. These studies propose that more than two milligrams of wood dust per cubic meter of shop space may damage your lungs.

What do these limits mean to you? Let's suppose your shop is 27 ft. long by 21 ft. wide and the ceiling is 9 ft. high, so it is roughly 170 cubic meters According to the stricter guideline of two milligrams of dust per cubic meter, you should limit airborne dust to less than 340 milligrams. This is one-third of a gram, which I discovered equals slightly less than one-quarter of a teaspoon of dust. A full sandwich bag weighs almost 50 grams, which is enough to exceed the threshold limit of a 25,000-cubic-meter shop. This is all very disconcerting and even the authors of the cited study conceded that, though ideal, this strict (two milligram per cubic meter) standard is not very realistic.

A Guide to your Respiratory System - Dust's affect on your lungs, however, is realistic, but you must first understand your respiratory system so that you realize just how injurious dust can be. The lungs are extraordinary, organs that continually bring fresh air into very close contact with your body's circulatory system. Structurally, the lungs are like sponges with millions of tiny air pockets. Their ultimate purpose is to remove carbon dioxide from the blood stream and replace it with fresh oxygen from the atmosphere. This process is called gas exchange. The air pockets are called alveoli, shown in the drawing on the facing page, and gas exchange takes place within them. When you breathe in, the alveoli fill with air and oxygen passes through their ultra-thin walls and into the surrounding blood. At the same time, carbon dioxide from the blood passes into the alveoli, where it is expelled during exhalation.

The flow of air in the lungs takes place through a set of airways that spread out very much like the branches of a tree, as shown in the drawing. The tree trunk corresponds to the trachea, the first large branches are the bronchi and the smaller branches are the bronchioles. In this analogy, the alveoli are like the leaves of the tree.

In addition to moving air in and out of the body, the lungs must keep themselves and the air clean, warm and moist This job is accomplished by the "mucocilliary transport" system, a term for the mucus-producing tissue that lines the "bronchial tree" (see the drawing). \Ve are all familiar with mucus, though we may not be familiar with its purpose. Not only does it serve to moisten the air, it also protects the underlying tissue from drying out. In addition, it acts like flypaper to catch the microscopic dust and dirt in the air we breathe. Once these dust particles are trapped, they must be discarded. This is done by the other part of the mucocilliary transport system, the ciliated epithelial cells. These cells have hundreds of tiny little arms that literally sweep the dust-laden mucus up and out of the lungs. In addition, a backup mechanism, the "alveolar macrophage," serves to clean out dust that gets into the alveoli. This system consists of cells that wander around in the alveoli like little street cleaners, sweeping up particles that threaten to interfere with the crucial gas-exchange system.

How Does Dust Harm These Organs? - In the healthy person, occasional dust particles in the lungs is not a serious problem because the lungs have built-in defense mechanisms, such as the mucus that lines the airways, that halt harmful substances like dust. The dust-laden mucus is then expelled from the lungs by the sweeping-motion cells lining the airways, as well as by coughing. Unfortunately, however, chronic inhalation of wood dust may damage the lungs' cleaning systems. When this happens, a vicious circle begins as more dust collects and further damages the lungs. The body then responds as it does to skin injury-it mobilizes an inflammatory response. That is, the bronchial airways become red, swollen and painful. Swelling decreases the diameter of the airways and produces shortness of breath, induces coughing and increases sputum, which is saliva and other discharged matter from the respiratory passages. A number of studies have shown that these symptoms are common in active woodworkers: those that spend long hours in the shop. Other studies have shown that woodworkers tend to develop lung problems similar to those found in patients with chronic bronchitis and emphysema-diseases associated primarily with cigarette smoking. Inhaling wood dust, while probably not as harmful as smoking, can be dangerous.

Perhaps the most documented effect of wood-dust exposure is nose cancer. Dozens of studies in more than 10 countries have shown an increased rate of this relatively rare form of cancer among woodworkers. Medically it is known as "nasal adenocarcinoma." Mucus-secreting glands in the noses of woodworkers tend to become cancerous at a rate 1,000 times greater than non-woodworkers, apparently because of the dust. Fortunately, this type of cancer is relatively rare even among woodworkers (only about one in 1500 active woodworkers will ever develop it), and the time-lag between exposure and the onset of symptoms is as much as 40 years.

Finally, wood dust can cause respiratory illness because it contains many types of allergens and toxins. These range from chemicals deposited on the tree from the outside, such as pesticides and fungal spores, to chemicals created by the trees themselves, such as alkaloids, saponins, aldehydes, quinones, flavonoids, steroids and resins. Individuals respond differently to these various toxins, bur the symptoms are universal: coughing, sneezing, increased phlegm and sputum production, runny nose, red eves and, in extreme conditions. bronchitis, pneumonitis, and asthma. These symptoms are found in woodworkers more often than in the general population.

You are probably more familiar with some toxins and allergens than with others. Perhaps woodworkers are most aware of the allergen called plicatic acid, a substance in red cedar that is responsible for a condition known as red-cedar asthma. This very debilitating condition occurs in about 5% of people who work with red cedar. Another similar condition is maple-bark disease, a severe form of asthma probably caused by fungal spores found in maple bark. Two other North American woods considered to have significant allergenic effects are boxwood and sequoia redwood.

Clearly, the concern about dust is not just academic and all of us woodworkers must be aware of these insidious problems. Most of us don't hesitate to use goggles, push sticks and blade guards, but how many of us use face masks and dust collectors regularly? Not many, I'm afraid. Dust masks can be uncomfortable and dust collectors are expensive, but both are well worth the investment. As with many other items I've bought for my shop, I've agonized over spending money on a dust-collection system, but I'll probably wonder how I ever got by without it once I use it.

Kirk Kundtz is a resident physician in internal medicine at Mount Sinai Hospital in Cleveland, Ohio, and is an active woodworker. Thanks to Drs. Lawrence Martin and James Edmonson for assistance in preparing this article.
 
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Les, I have Mild Asthma and occasionally wood dust can light me up pretty good. I've tried a couple types of dust masks. Working around a lot of automotive body shops I found that the 3M disposable double filter masks that Automotive Painters use are far more effective than regular dust masks and are only $20-30 or so IIRC- they also worked great for changing my kids diapers. Autobody Supply houses also carry higher grade dust masks than what you usually see at the local builders mart.
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LesBrooks-

I'm wondering about the post concerning your rig, also- having the tools vacuum the dust rather than disperse it. That's a hot idea, especially if the apparatus could be switched from tool to tool, and not be too clumsy. And if the vacuum source was quiet, or sufficiently removed from the area so as to be quiet.

I mean a hot idea like marketable.

I was sensitized to the chemicals in Krylon spray paint years ago- if it's being used, I have to get out of the area, or I'm very soon nauseated and have a jackhammer headache.

I used to clean machinery with acetone, using rags, to the point that my skin would go "fuzzy". I don't even want to know what damage it did, or what I am experiencing from it now, or will later.

Masks are a good idea, but you have to put a gun to my head to get me to put one on.
 
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I once complained to a woodworker(who used to write for Fine Woodworking magazine) about the purple snot in my handkerchief when sanding walnut. He just chuckled and said "Free crack and hole filler, man!" Only problem I had was sanding zebra wood-instant athsma, in less than 2 minutes.
 
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I think that's a good idea. You could try sanding/checkering next to an exhaust fan.


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well there's always working outside in a 30 MPH wind. seriously there are definate allergies to woods. masks will filter most out, but you must be somewhat mask wise. there are several types with dozens of types of filters. you must know what your particle is and what you body can stand. To tight a filter makes breathing harder and can cause problems in itself. The good thing is that the dust is a particle not a gas, thus can be handled by exhaust and fresh air (usually this means a 5 MPH breeze blowing by) or particle filters.
 
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In Monte Kennedy's book on checkering one of the contributers, not sure if it was Monte or not, mentioned that he tried to checker outside whenever the light and weather was suitable for such. It was 8 deg outside when I got up this morning, so i don't thnk I'll be doing any outside gunsmithing today.

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If vacuum on the tools doesn't work, and if a mask doesn't help, there is a more drastic approach. Some paints must be applied with a mask that receives air pumped from outside the shop.
 
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Thanks folks for the reply. I think I will try to come up with a vacuum hose attachment for the tools. The clear plastic hose on the handles does not cause any problems, so why not a larger hose to get the vacuum volume up. I will be trying this shortly.
 
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Les,
Funny you should post this.

I just came back from the Pulmonologist - it seems that after 30 years of fooling around with walnut I'm now "sensitized" to walnut dust and it gives me asthma like reaction. I get post nasal drip and resultant coughing at night.
I'm going to be using a 1/2 face respirator and high efficiency dust filters. I'm hobbiest and a real vacuum system for the bench is still a bit pricey but under consideration.
 
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Now I'm laughing....I just came in fromthe shop where I jointed and sawed a large amount of ash for my house.....both floors and ceilings and also thin stuff for lower half of walls. I was sneezing and snorting as I walked to the house and so was my chocolate Labrador who also sat in the shop and watched (supervised) me all the time.

Apparantly humans aren't the only ones that react to certain sawdust!


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I also suffer from walnut dust. One thing that helps is a good sinus rinse when I'm done. A company called neilmed offers a good one. It's basically a eight ounce squeeze bottle full of saline solution. You stick it in your nose and give it a good squeeze, once each nostril. It takes a bit of getting used to but really flushes out the dust.


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All dusts are bad for you, and some folks are more sensitive than others. I know it's a pain to always put on a respirator (dust masks are nearly useless) but if you want to projetct your lungs, that's what you need to do.


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The 1st I did I had no idea. I sanded in a very small area blowing the dust away when it built up. I came down with a bad respiratory infection. It took about a week to get over it. From then on I vacuum up the dust when builds up and haven't had a problem since.

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Dust from any source can be irritating to the respiratory tissues, including the conjuctiva (eye), nose, throat and broncial airways. Some large protein molecules like ragweed pollen, molds and cat dander are especially troublesome because they provoke an allergic reaction. This means that your immune system recognizes them as foreign and makes an antibody that reacts with the protein releasing histamine. For these reactions, antihistamines or desensitisation may help.

Some wood, like cedar, redwood, cypris and tropical woods (including cocobola) that have high resistance to decay have phthlic acids that can be very irritating and cause chemical asthma. Diisocyanates like the solvent in Deft Finishes, cause especially troublesome chemical asthma.

For most dust from sanding other than cedar, the size of the particle determines how far it travels into the respiratory tract and how troublesome the symptoms. The wood molecule typically does not provoke a true allergy response with IgE formation but if the correct size, it gets far enough down in the membrane to irritate and provoke a physical reaction.


The best treatment is always avoidance, but your family doctor or pulmonary specialist can give you medications that reduce injury, irritation and inflammation in both the nose and lungs. If your problem is mostly nasal, a quick spray of chromalyn or a nasal steroid before exposure will markedly reduce the reaction and may eliminate the symptoms.

I have had rhinitis and asthma for 40 years, and have tried many types of barriers including filters, masks and outside air sources. Maybe its me, maybe its because I don't have to make a living sanding wood, but I find it hard to remember the mask. I use eye and ear protection regularly, but the airway protection gets forgotten. I sand outside when possible, and have taken to using scrapers. The best for me is meds.

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OK, seriously, now, I built a sanding table. The thing has a top with lots of holes in the plywood, with a rubber mesh on it that is sold for drawer/toolbox liner, so the work doesn't slide around. In the box under the top,is a squirrel cage fan, that sucks air down thru the holes, and blows it out through a high quality furnace filter. No mask needed, and the rest of the shop stays clean.
 
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I am glad that I posted this for all to see. You people that haven't work around the walnut long enough for the body to react should take notice.

I don't believe that this is a plain old cold. No chills or fever, but sinus and brochial tube conjestion.

I like the table for sanding that XS mentioned. If I were going to continue working I would build this table.

This a a serious problem for all of us. Thanks all for the help,

Les
 
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Les,
Your symptoms are a lot like my father-in-laws, after I gave him a bunch of rough sawn walnut for a table he wanted to build. He is pretty meticulous about dust control, masks etc and it still got him.

Walnut is known to have strong allelopathic capabilities and that probably accounts for what you are experiencing. It too my FIL about 3 months to get over it.

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Les, In my work, I have to wear a respirator, am fit tested regularly and undergo a pulmonary function test(pft)exam yearly. I would recommend an air purifying half face respirator with, or full face if you are experiencing some type of vapor that may affect your eyes. Here is a link :

http://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/product/3M_7500_Ser...Respirator_Assembly#

Also, replace your filters regularly and perform a self fit test by covering the filters with your hands then breathing in then covering the exhalation valve with your hand and breath out. If air escapes during either of these, make adjustments to the headgear then retest. This type of respirator is an absolute minimum, as dust masks allow particulates to pass between the skin and the filter during inhalation. Showering and removing work clothing after exposure to your wood dust will also alleviate particulate exposure symptoms.

Good luck and trash your dust masks, they don't work that well.
 
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I own my own contracting buisness and had a project a few months ago that used a lot mahogany.The dust that wood makes is the most toxic of any I've ever seen in 20 years of working with wood.


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I own my own contracting buisness and had a project a few months ago that used a lot mahogany.The dust that wood makes is the most toxic of any I've ever seen in 20 years of working with wood.


Just out of curiosity, how did you arrive at that conclusion?
 
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My statement is from the way it burned your eyes and breathing passages if any got through the mask.I have'nt worked with a lot of the African exotic woods so I can't say with them.But among what I've worked with the dust seemed very acidic.Just my opinion.


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My statement is from the way it burned your eyes and breathing passages if any got through the mask.I have'nt worked with a lot of the African exotic woods so I can't say with them.But among what I've worked with the dust seemed very acidic.Just my opinion.


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Maybe the term “irritant†would be more appropriate than “toxic.†Toxic means that something is poisonous.
 
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Yes I guess irritant would have been a better use of words,although it may not be poisonous it sure is unpleasant.Everyone did survive.

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this is in good humor, but I wish to point out that nitpicking words often leads to spralling discussions and/or arguments, just because people generally always act in the manner they believe correct, and frequently don't like to be corrected.

So, since the words toxic, irratant, Allergen and sensitizer can be used more or less interchangablely in this context.

and, frankly, it's terms of jargon, with the person's assumptions of the genre leading to their words choice.

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A poisonous substance, especially a protein, that is produced by living cells or organisms and is capable of causing disease when introduced into the body tissues but is often also capable of inducing neutralizing antibodies or antitoxins.


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Allergen
An allergen is any substance (antigen), most often eaten or inhaled, that is recognized by the immune system and causes an allergic reaction.
No comprehensive list of allergens is currently possible. Sensitivities vary from one person to another and it is possible to be allergic to an extraordinary range of substances.


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ir·ri·tant (ĭr'ĭ-tənt) Pronunciation Key
adj. Causing irritation, especially physical irritation.


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sensitizer, n.sen·si·tiz·er
To make hypersensitive or reactive to an antigen, such as pollen, especially by a second or repeated exposure.




However,
wood "called" Toxic, with irritants or sensitizers. here's a general link, but look up wood and toxic on google
http://www.mimf.com/archives/toxic.htm



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reaction categories
Eye and skin irritation (hives, itching, redness).
Respiratory problems.
Nausea, headache, or general malaise, possibly even liver or kidney malfunction.
Cancer of nose and sinus. Statistics show that woodworkers have a 40 per cent greater chance of nasal cancer than the general population




the reaction one is concerned with, of course, is the "hyper sensitivity reaction", which can only grow over time, and leads to increasing reactions by the body... BUT, unlike a cold, an upper resp infection, or hayfever, the hyper sensitive reaction leads to worse and worse immune system reactions, up to the point of alergic shock... or what happens when persons have the so called "bee sting" alergies... this alergic reaction can become so strong it leads to death for the sufferer...

but it's still a toxin, an irritant, a sensitizer, and an alergen. ...

weird huh?

jeffe


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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
this is in good humor, but I wish to point out that nitpicking words often leads to spralling discussions and/or arguments, just because people generally always act in the manner they believe correct, and frequently don't like to be corrected.

So, since the words toxic, irratant, Allergen and sensitizer can be used more or less interchangablely in this context.

and, frankly, it's terms of jargon, with the person's assumptions of the genre leading to their words choice.

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tox·in (tksn)
n.
A poisonous substance, especially a protein, that is produced by living cells or organisms and is capable of causing disease when introduced into the body tissues but is often also capable of inducing neutralizing antibodies or antitoxins.


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Allergen
An allergen is any substance (antigen), most often eaten or inhaled, that is recognized by the immune system and causes an allergic reaction.
No comprehensive list of allergens is currently possible. Sensitivities vary from one person to another and it is possible to be allergic to an extraordinary range of substances.


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ir·ri·tant (ĭr'ĭ-tənt) Pronunciation Key
adj. Causing irritation, especially physical irritation.


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sensitizer, n.sen·si·tiz·er
To make hypersensitive or reactive to an antigen, such as pollen, especially by a second or repeated exposure.




However,
wood "called" Toxic, with irritants or sensitizers. here's a general link, but look up wood and toxic on google
http://www.mimf.com/archives/toxic.htm



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reaction categories
Eye and skin irritation (hives, itching, redness).
Respiratory problems.
Nausea, headache, or general malaise, possibly even liver or kidney malfunction.
Cancer of nose and sinus. Statistics show that woodworkers have a 40 per cent greater chance of nasal cancer than the general population




the reaction one is concerned with, of course, is the "hyper sensitivity reaction", which can only grow over time, and leads to increasing reactions by the body... BUT, unlike a cold, an upper resp infection, or hayfever, the hyper sensitive reaction leads to worse and worse immune system reactions, up to the point of alergic shock... or what happens when persons have the so called "bee sting" alergies... this alergic reaction can become so strong it leads to death for the sufferer...

but it's still a toxin, an irritant, a sensitizer, and an alergen. ...

weird huh?

jeffe


Not as weird as you going ballistic a week or so ago about the "Jorgon" of sideswing safeties. You went ape shit on that thread about being absolutely precise in what you called it, now you are saying terminology doesn't matter, call it whatever the hell you want? Which is it? bewildered

Hell, it don't matter anyway, it's just a hunting rifle. jumping
 
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yes, Poleax, thank you for reinforcing that this is a forum on gunsmithing, and not wood allergins.


in fact, your entire reply reinforces that posters truely should keep to gun smithing.

So, until we have a toxic reaction forum, why don't we agree that gunsmithing terms actually are germaine to the forum at hand.

thanks
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So in keeping with only posting on gunsmithing issues and germane to the forum at hand, will you refrain from posting???


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So in keeping with only posting on gunsmithing issues and germane to the forum at hand, will you refrain from posting???


I'm so happy to see your reply about walnut dust as it applies to gunsmithing and the health effects it can cause.

I can only say this is in tune with your other posts on AR and may you enjoy a very happy new year. 1 19 19 8 15 12 5
 
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