Well got the blank mounted extra wood cut off on the bandsaw only to have this show up.

Been there.... Just two weeks ago.... But worse...

i traded an INTERESTING set of 470 ne dies for a pretty piece of 'bastogne" .. from pete-you-stinking-cheat-sissy-that-makes-his-mother-screen-his-calls -- bandsawed the rough off .. it was ROTTED internally, like PITH and sneaky pete refused to even discuss the matter....

the chicken spit wouldnt even consider trying to make it right..

yeah, still annoyed at a no spine coward and crumby piece of wood

Jeff, stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel...

Hey Jeff are you sure it was a bad piece of wood.

Part of the cracks were removed in the final but it will have some epoxy work to make it usable. This is the 3rd Claro in the last couple of months that ended up with cracks inside.

Claro sure can be pretty, but that's why I stick with Juglans Regia. A reputable wood supplier will replace the blank, the labor is on you. These are the perils you face when working with highly figured hard wood. Accept it and move on.

typical problem but not just in claro
honeycomb and cell structure break down can be associated to certain areas that trees grow
sometimes in the worst areas most all the trees will produce the same condition
old time tree cutters know those areas and stay away from trees there
' the problkem there is alot of new comers cutting trees that dont know and dont care - strictly chasing the buck

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A reputable wood supplier will replace the blank, the labor is on you

Yep unless his name is "pete-you-stinking-cheat-sissy-that-makes-his-mother-screen-his-calls"

Didn't lose any sleep on my end. It was customer's blank. Based on the 1987 date stamp on it he has had it a while. Just hated to see the cracks.

Since he was out of pocket I elected to go ahead and finish. If it had been my nickel so be it. Heard from him and he simply plans to do a little epoxy upgrade.

As to Juglans Regia they have caused me the least issue.

What , no wood stove ??
Some buyers of custom knives like "spalted" wood [partially rotted] for their knife handles . Maybe a custom knife maker would be interested.

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What , no wood stove

Burning wood in CO is not as easy as you would think.

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from pete-you-stinking-cheat-sissy-that-makes-his-mother-screen-his-calls

Since I don't follow the ins and outs on a daily basis, I'd like to know his real or AR name so as to avoid doing any business with him.

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These are the perils you face when working with highly figured hard wood. Accept it and move on.

+1. Just how, exactly, can the seller be expected to now what is on the inside of a blank that they sell you? Do they have x-ray vision?

And any replacement surely depends on the "terms of business" on which you bought the blank?

At your risk?

Or with a warranty that if there was a problem that it would be replaced? Here in UK you, the purchaser, get to make the choice when you buy.

If you want the warranty you pay more for the blank. If you don't want the warranty, and so accept the wood at your risk, then you pay less for the same blank.

On some blanks the seller will not give a warranty.

Just as no ne will give a warranty against breakage when they take a gun in from a customer to re-set a stock to adjust the cast or bend.

Am not trying to be unsympathetic to the OP but it does depend on what "terms of business" the seller agreed at the time of sale.

Indeed there are often blanks that go through the auction houses here in the UK. And these are absolutely "sold as seen WITH ALL FAULTS..."

Most blanks I have bought are guaranteed UNTIL YOU CUT INTO IT. Then it is yours. and yes, figured wood is more prone to cracks.

I would not offer any warrantee on a blank, as I don't get one when I buy them. As has been said, it's a risk inherent in working with wood. I've had it happen a few times and It's tough when it happens to you but you just have to move on.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Most blanks I have bought are guaranteed UNTIL YOU CUT INTO IT. Then it is yours. and yes, figured wood is more prone to cracks.

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Originally posted by Toomany Tools:
I would not offer any warrantee on a blank, as I don't get one when I buy them. As has been said, it's a risk inherent in working with wood. I've had it happen a few times and It's tough when it happens to you but you just have to move on.

This is news to me. I used to buy from Calico as the were just down the road from me. Their blanks were warrantied against internal faults and bark inclusions. They would replace with comparable blank, not cash IIRC.

charlie -- he used to post as peter.. and he did STATE, in email, would be replaced if fault in wood...

i forgot to mention, he's no young college guy, living at home ...

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Most blanks I have bought are guaranteed UNTIL YOU CUT INTO IT. Then it is yours. and yes, figured wood is more prone to cracks.

I disagree. I've bought many blanks from "professional" wood sellers over the years, and, frankly, I can't recall any of them who didn't warranty the blank against unknown defects.

Here is a common example from Dressel's:

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All wood is 100% guaranteed against internal flaws ( wind shake, bark pockets, pruned knots and shrink pockets.)

Great sadness and great beauty are just a few stress fractures apart.

As some have said, a knife maker or pistol grips for someone.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
charlie -- he used to post as peter.. and he did STATE, in email, would be replaced if fault in wood...

i forgot to mention, he's no young college guy, living at home ...

Peter from Florida? He still posts here frequently.

I'll take a stab....... "Peter" lives in the North West?

yeppers dempsey

If you have not thrown away all of your cut off pieces yet. I may have some suggestions to save your investment. As long as the cracks are not in a critical area they are just cosmetic. There are ways to hide them without lots of epoxy.

Sorry, I meant to say contact me via PM or via phone as the process takes too long to type.

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If you have not thrown away all of your cut off pieces yet. I may have some suggestions to save your investment. As long as the cracks are not in a critical area they are just cosmetic. There are ways to hide them without lots of epoxy.

This stock is not mine. I stuck a piece of cut off about the size of the forearm in the box I will leave it up to him how he wants to proceed.

I had one of my own years ago with a major flaw. Since I bought this as a reject only scrap I had was what I could cut from the butt. Didn't turn out to bad.

I guess I just haven't bought any blanks from the big sellers. If they guarantee them perhaps I should.

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If they guarantee them perhaps I should.

No such thing as a free lunch. If a seller is willing to replace a blank due to a flaw you can bet his potential losses are built into his pricing.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Most blanks I have bought are guaranteed UNTIL YOU CUT INTO IT. Then it is yours. and yes, figured wood is more prone to cracks.

I disagree. I've bought many blanks from "professional" wood sellers over the years, and, frankly, I can't recall any of them who didn't warranty the blank against unknown defects.

Here is a common example from Dressel's:

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All wood is 100% guaranteed against internal flaws ( wind shake, bark pockets, pruned knots and shrink pockets.)

Same Here!!!

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No such thing as a free lunch. If a seller is willing to replace a blank due to a flaw you can bet his potential losses are built into his pricing.

Correct.

Just the same as the lifetime guarantee against breakage is built into the pricing on a British "Hardy" carbon fibre fly rod or, no doubt, the "name" US brands.

seems like built in pricing in case of defects would be o k
since there is no industry standard for grading- whos to say if the
( possible loss pricing) is BUILT in

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seems like built in pricing in case of defects would be o k

I would simply call it a cost of doing business. Like the light and heat. If over time you have 5% damaged then you simply raise your prices 5% to stay even.

Just like a story allows for a certain % of loss from shop lifting etc.