Was talking to one of our local AR gun Smiths to rework a new Ruger # 1 from .223 to 22Jet. The chit chat seemed to be going amiably but kind of just weithered on the vine. Not willing to accept frustration another approach was taken. Sharp Shooter in Ohio sold me a bolt face for a Savage that would fit a PPC and also the 22 jet. This would allow me to modify one of my Mod. 200s and only have to buy the barrel.
I put in a number of calls to ER Shaw and finally got through. I tried to order the barrel and was told they don't have that reamer. I told him I'd buy the reamer and send it to them. He responded that they do not accept customer's reamers.
I told him that indeed they have built barrels for me before using my wildcat reamers. He said " OK but the General Manager changed the policy and they don't anymore." Stunned and disallusioned I figured I'd lay my plight at the feet of the AR, GS group. Well???? what's my next step? I got cases up the butt, loading dies, A bolt now being re- assembled and a terrible itch. Who's my hero roger

How do you plan to head space the Jet in the savage?

call douglas or mcgowen... well, call mcgowen

a barrel maker that won't take any reamer but their own is telling you they dont want your business

mcgowen does fast and fair priced work
jeffe

How DO you headspace the Jet in the Savage? You could use a necked down version of the .256 Win (same case) and headspace on the shoulder, but I'm wondering if the unaltered Jet will work? Enquiring minds want to know!

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Originally posted by SR4759:
How do you plan to head space the Jet in the savage?

I will head space on the shoulder and not have any doubts. roger

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
How DO you headspace the Jet in the Savage? You could use a necked down version of the .256 Win (same case) and headspace on the shoulder, but I'm wondering if the unaltered Jet will work? Enquiring minds want to know!

If after it is built and I have a head space problem, which I doubt, I'll have it rechambered to a PPC. roger

IMO you'd have much better luck with:

A)Dan Cotterman's Super Jet, because of the much sharper shoulder, and/or
B)machining a thin extension of the barrel's chamber area to extend back into the front face of the bolt, to butt against the front of the case rim.
Good luck, Joe

I'm a little surprised that this thread is just kinda fading into the sunset.

I am trying to figure out why this guy can't get a Ruger #1 rebarreled to the Jet????

Can it be that big a job? Get the reamer, headspace gauge and have a go at it. I am sure the extractor can be made to work.

Oh, by the way, don't use a Shaw barrel or an A&B one. Get a quality barrel; it is worth it after the expense of the barreling.

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
I am trying to figure out why this guy can't get a Ruger #1 rebarreled to the Jet????

Can it be that big a job? Get the reamer, headspace gauge and have a go at it. I am sure the extractor can be made to work.

Oh, by the way, don't use a Shaw barrel or an A&B one. Get a quality barrel; it is worth it after the expense of the barreling.

Would you care to give me a price and delivery? Can the .223 barrel already on it be used? Please PM me , Jim. roger

One question that immediately comes to mind is the diameter of the reamer at the neck. Is it cut for the original 0.222" Jet size and the original short 40-gr Jet bullet? If so, then there might be some accuracy problems upon completion of the chambering job. The Ruger extractor should work OK as-is and the 223 barrel can be set back and rechambered by most any competent smith.

Meanwhile ponder this: there are at least two good reasons why this cartridge is obsolete, A)it's a pain to handload and B)it's not very accurate. Sorry to rain on your parade and I certainly don't intend any flames or even want to start an argument, it's just that this is the way I'm thinking after having owned several Jets in the past.
Good luck, Joe

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Sorry to rain on your parade and I certainly don't intend any flames or even want to start an argument, it's just that this is the way I'm thinking after having owned several Jets in the past.
Good luck, Joe

Good info,JD. If I get the 22 rem Jet rifle made I intend to throat it to handle at least the 55 grain bullets of cup and core constuction.
\Your comment about dificult handloading was a surprise. Could you fill me in about the problems you ran into?
Could you also elaborate what bad experiences you had with your rifles in 22 Rem jet cal.?
Thanks for your reply. roger

My problems with the Jet stemmed from the case taper. The Jet was originally developed for the S&W M53 revolver, and my Jets were both S&Ws. A revolver doesn't work well with sharp-shouldered cartridges, the sharp shoulder expands the case between the recoil plate and the front of the chamber, effectively freezing the cylinder. Therefore the Jet was designed with a long tapered shoulder that would better grip the walls of the cylinder's chambers and prevent the case head from flowing back against the recoil plate (since the factory Jet's pressures are below 40K psi).

However this same tendency to grip the walls can and does cause problems when the case is loaded too hot. It's a little-known fact (but still a fact) that too much case taper will cause the case to stick in the chamber. In a revolver a little of this can be A Good Thing but I found it to ba a colossal PITA.

Frank de Haas in his writings about the 219 Zipper and its offspring has described this case-sticking phenomenon quite well. He also describes how a simple rechamber of the standard Zipper to a more sharp-shouldered cartridge will instantly correct the sticking problem. My own Martini Cadet standard Zipper will stick cases when loaded beyond 40K psi but my essentially identical 219 Improved Cadet can be loaded up until the primers flatten without sticking. Sure, I realize that the Jet is not the Zipper but the taper behavior is the same.

In addition I found that the factory 40-gr bullets weren't very accurate and were too wind-sensitive for game shooting past about 80-90 yds. My S&W Magna Classic, hand-held with iron sights, will put a cylinderful into 3 MOA but my M53s wouldn't do better than 4 MOA even with a pistol scope.

The factory Jet shape with heavier more accurate bullets will IMO give you good service up to and somewhat beyond Hornet and Bee levels, but IIWY I wouldn't count on any higher velocities. But as always, YMMV.
Regards, Joe

Thanks , Joe. roger

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
I am trying to figure out why this guy can't get a Ruger #1 rebarreled to the Jet????

Can it be that big a job? Get the reamer, headspace gauge and have a go at it. I am sure the extractor can be made to work..

Jim your PM with quote has disappeared. Is there a problem? roger

i am sure that you have looked into the .218 Mashburn Bee. Wouldn't that round fit you needs?

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Originally posted by D Humbarger:
i am sure that you have looked into the .218 Mashburn Bee. Wouldn't that round fit you needs?

In reality probably so ,Doug, but this has been a thing with me for some time and is the toy of choice. I guess I want to see what can be reasonably done with this cartridge.thanks for the response. roger

I am willing to help you out. I don't see anything difficult about what you want. I will be leaving for Canada and Alaska on the 13th so I couldn't get to your project until Oct. Send me an e-mail - tapii2@msn.com - or give me a call 319-984-6522.....Tom